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Attacking Red Sox Nation

Sep 2, 2009, 10:55 AM EDT

Those of us outside the Nation do it all the time, but it’s not often you see it on the pages of the Boston Globe.  Take it away Tom Scocca!

What the Red Sox most resemble, here in 2009, is some unholy amalgamation of the postwar Brooklyn Dodgers and the Grateful Dead. The Dodgers have been mythologized by fans like Doris Kearns Goodwin – not by chance, a vocal member of Red Sox Nation – as lovable underdogs, but in their day they were neither underdogs nor lovable. They were simply the second-biggest bullies in baseball, a rich and successful franchise that could be counted on to beat up the rest of the National League and to get beaten up on by the Yankees.

Red Sox fans don’t even wait for the passage of time to worship the mysteries of their own team. The blue-shirted, pink-hatted crowds descend on other cities’ ballparks for a mass smug-in whenever the Sox are on the road . . . Like Deadheads, they’re indifferent to what city they’ve trailed into, so long as they’re bathing in the presence of like-minded worshippers: Yoooook! Duuuuude!

Rebuttals and concurrences can be submitted in the comments.

  1. Jason @ IIATMS - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    (muffled chuckles)

  2. Shely - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM

    This is a silly statement. No the Bosox are not the second best team in baseball behind the Yankees. Not this year, or not in the history of baseball. This is a myth promulgated on the people by homer town writers for the Globe and Herald for years. Just an excuse to try and mitigate the losers record in W-S competition for over 100 years. Why don’t any of the national writers distpute this stupid assertion? Because most are from the East coast and the N.Y. area. As long as the Yankees are first (a fact), they don’t care who comes later.
    Shely in Cincinnati

  3. Skip - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:33 AM

    No, the Bosox are not the second best team in baseball … I would put them somewhere around #8.

  4. Garrett - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:42 AM


  5. Rick - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:44 AM

    No they are not the 2nd best. they are the best. It does not matter who wins the division so long as you go to WS which Sox will do when they beat Yanks in the ALCS.

  6. Rick - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM

    This article would have made more sense 5 years ago.

  7. Joe - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM

    Now you’ve gone and done it……now the pink hatters are going to assemble in hordes and use these words as a means to prove that the whole world hates them and their red socks…errr,I mean sox. They will climb Mt Everest to burn your picture,dredge a lake looking for any remnants of your past that you might have discarded, all in an attempt to justify their loyalty to the franchise with the history of the most inept owners in MLB history.

  8. Rick - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:55 AM

    Red Sox have the best owners now. who cares about the Yawkeys now.

  9. Joe - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM

    Like Deadheads, they’re indifferent to what city they’ve trailed into, so long as they’re bathing in the presence of like-minded worshippers: Yoooook! Duuuuude!
    to praphrase that stage announcer on a farm in NY some 40 years ago- Uh, to get back to the, uh, the warning that I’ve received you may take it with how many however many grains of salt you wish, that the “red kool aid” that is circulating around us is not specifically too good. Uh, it’s suggested that you do stay away from that, course it’s your own trip, so be my guest, but, uh, please be advised that there is a warning on that one ok?

  10. Joe - Sep 2, 2009 at 11:59 AM

    the red sox…their fans, and their owners have become everything they’ve hated about the Yankees for all of eternity. They are the same, just in a smaller market.

  11. RG - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM

    Read a little more carefully people. The “second biggest bullies” refers to the Dodgers, not the Red Sox. Not even the most diehard Red Sox fan would ever consider themselves the 2nd best team in baseball through the history of the game. Up until 2004 (when the pink hatters began coming out in droves) true fans considered them star crossed lovable losers. The Globe and Herald never perpetuated any myth other than they will lose and break your heart in the end.

  12. Garrett - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:03 PM


  13. Tom "in Yankee Country" - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM

    What a joke. In August I went with the wife for four days to Toronto to catch the Sox (basically because nothing is available at Fenway). The place was EMPTY all three games! A good 40% of the fans there were Red Sox fans who traveled to see the series.
    Same goes for Baltimore and lots of places. Sox fans buy tickets no Oriole or Blue Jay fan wants, they buy concessions, bring $$ into the local economy outside the park etc etc. My wife and I dropped about $2,500 during those four days in Toronto.
    Here is a suggestion. Support your team even if it STINKS because your ownership won’t spend the money required to compete. Buy local tickets so outside fans won’t. Get on your ownerships case if they don’t bring the talent to town.
    Other than that, shut up and learn to live with it.

  14. Shely - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM

    Are any of you guys over 20? I ask because you seem to know nothing about baseball, but are only spouting off some sort of preconceived notions about your team.If you are real baseball fans, I will give you a fact which you can discuss and/or research for yourself.
    1946: World Series game 6. I heard it on radio as a young boy of 6 or 7. Enos Salughter was on first base when Walker Cooper got a hit. Slaughter was off with the pitch and scored from first base. On the radio, the announcer said it was a single and Cooper took second on the throw to the plate. The next day, the newspapers said it was a single and Cooper took second on the throw. You see, Cooper was a very slow catcher who probably would not get a chance to play today because of lack of speed. Why now, do we hear that Enos scored on a double to left? Why isn’t Enos given the proper credit and record which he holds? No one before or since has scored in a W-S game from first on a single. Give the man his record and stop lying about the incident to save face for Boston and Pesky! Go to the official score card and see what it says. If it has been changed to a double from a single, who did it. If not, it will still show up as a single.
    Shely–Not a homer:
    A true baseball fan in Cincinnati

  15. Tom "in Yankee Country" - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:15 PM

    Shely, get checked for Alzheimers. You already forgot what the article was about! What does your reply have to do the with this article.

  16. Joe - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM

    yes, I’m sure…we all know recorded history began in 2004.

  17. Joe - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM


  18. Shely - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:23 PM

    Hey brain dead Tom:
    The article is about a myth and something which isn’t a fact at all. Just like the 46 W-S. All we get from writers is opinion which are meant to look like facts. That is what this is all about. If you can’t follow this, go back to school. You need an education, not more indoctrination from the press. You believe too much of what you read.
    The Greatest writer once said: “Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see”. Go by this motto instead of getting into arguments with people on which you know nothing.
    Baseball fan Shely

  19. ecp - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM

    Ok, I’ve read this a couple of times now…Nowhere is it stated that the Red Sox are the second best team in baseball. Scocca compares them somewhat to the old Brooklyn Dodgers and says the Dodgers were the second biggest BULLIES in baseball. So yes, nowadays those of us who are “outside the Red Sox-Yankees axis” think of them as numbers one and two on the obnoxious scale.
    And speaking as another who is outide the axis, I have to say “Bravo!” to Tom Scocca. Truer words were never spoken.

  20. arthur sandberg - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:37 PM

    addressed to doris kearns goodwin and husband richard and both boys.
    nice to hear from you guys.
    a sox fan will always be a sox fan.
    it has been fun over the years.
    love, arthur and ceil sandberg

  21. JeffH - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:42 PM

    I wish ESPN was located in Western PA, Central MO, Northern CO………anywhere but so freakin’ close to Boston that they think we all care about the d@mn Red Sux. Stop refering to this franchise and it’s fans as “The Nation”. It’s certainly not my nation. Every meeting of the Red Sux and the Crank Yankers is not the biggest event in the world. I wish both teams would miss the playoffs for the next 10 years. Nirvana would be AL playoffs of Toronto, Detroit, Texas and Oakland. No East Coast team to suck up to. No “glamour” cities to cover (I know Toronto is a major city, but it would lose points for being in Canada in the eyes of East Coast US media).

  22. el duderino - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM

    spot on. the red sux aren’t the loveable undedogs. they have the second highest payroll in mlb, second only to god’s team, who have regained their swagger and will be rolling right back into rocktober where they belong.

  23. Nacho - Sep 2, 2009 at 12:55 PM

    the red sox…their fans, and their owners have become everything they’ve hated about the Yankees for all of eternity. They are the same, just in a smaller market.
    Exactly and no more needs to be said…

  24. Gate - Sep 2, 2009 at 1:01 PM

    Not sure if it was a joke and I didn’t get it, but the Enos Slaughter/Johnny Pesky thing was in game 7…and Walker Cooper wasn’t on the 1946 Cardinals.

  25. jim - Sep 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM

    This is the best Yankee team since 2000. They have a great mix of home grown older veterens, free agents, and new home grown talent. I think they’ll be very hard to beat this post season. AS for the Yanks outspending everyone else, The Stienbrenners aren’t the richest owners in Baseball… they just invest the most in their team. It’s buisness. They also cough up more luxary taxes than anyone else. The Yankees pay for Tampa Bay Rays, the Pirates, the Royals (who have a very rich owner who won’t invest in the team) and several other teams that probably would have to fold if they didn’t have the Yank’s luxary taxes to keep them afloat.
    The Red Sox spent 105 million on Dice-K…. so why are they whining about the money the Yanks spend? I’m one of the few Yankee fans that don;t hate the Red Sox, but I sure hate the hypocrisy their fans engage in daily.

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