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Is Joe Girardi one of "October's Disasters"?

Oct 26, 2009, 10:27 AM EDT

Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman runs down what he considers to be “October’s Disasters.”  Top of the list?  The manager of the team that’s probably going to win the World Series:

It may be a little odd to put the manager of the team that’s leading the ALCS 3-2 in games atop this list [note: this was posted before last night's game]. But Girardi has had a very strange postseason indeed. Joe Torre wrote a bestseller this year, and I can’t wait for Girardi’s new tome, Over-Managing 101. Girardi apparently already has a dreary book of overwrought stats in the dugout, and he’s gone to it once or two or maybe even three times too many.

Girardi’s blunders have been well-documented, but at some point doesn’t the outcome trump the mistakes? The definition of a “disaster” is “a calamitous event bringing great damage, loss, or destruction; a sudden or great misfortune or failure.”  Girardi has been less than ideal, but with the talent at his disposal, any one decision he makes is fairly unimportant.  And obviously the outcome hasn’t been too terribly affected by anything he’s done.

Given the other possible choices — Matt Holliday, Chip Caray, the umpires, Mike Scioscia, and anything having to do with the Dodgers’ NLCS performance — I think Girardi needs to be moved down that list quite a bit.   

  1. comeonman - Oct 26, 2009 at 10:45 AM

    Joe has the bullpen confused in the POST SEASON, during the regular season everyone had their roles and knew when they would be called on, now they are a little puzzeled.Yankees are 4 wins away from a TITLE # 27, WHO CARES……….

  2. jonny5 - Oct 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    Don’t be so sure about that. Phillies in 6!!!!

  3. Bill@TDS - Oct 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM

    Yeah, “disaster” is definitely the wrong word, given that they had too much talent to let him lose the series for them (and Scioscia had something to say about that, too).
    “Debacle”? “Embarrassment”? “Joke”? “Travesty”? I think all those would fit, to various degrees…

  4. John - Oct 26, 2009 at 11:17 AM

    Hey jonny5 quit stealing my thunder. PHILLIES IN SIX!!! MARK MY WORDS!!!

  5. dcfan - Oct 26, 2009 at 11:20 AM

    Im confused, why would you use a quote that references the Yankees as leading the ALCS at 3-2 instead of the fact that its over. This supposedly emploding manager, is managing in the World Series. And as everyone knows in baseball, the manager can easily lose even with the best players money can buy like the Yankees. 30 other managers would love to be labelled that bad but still be managing in the World Series…

  6. Church of the Perpetually Outraged - Oct 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM

    Im confused, why would you use a quote that references the Yankees as leading the ALCS at 3-2 instead of the fact that its over.

    The italics part is the Heyman article that CC is referencing. Heyman wrote this article over the weekend prior to the conclusion of Game 6.
    What’s funny is most in the MSM are blasting Girardi for bad moves, but he’s made worst ones (the absolute worst was pitching running Guzman for Arod in G5) that they overlook. His BP management has been bad, but the management of Scioscia has been far worse than Girardi.
    Fangraphs has been all over both managers, and rightly so. Check out their numerous posts for more info.

  7. Beanster - Oct 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM

    I’d like to point out Heyman’s underhanded comment about the “dreary book of overwrought stats in the dugout” – if only Joe simply stuck to his gut and ignored those damned probabilities and matchups!
    Yes, Joe made some strange moves worthy of second guessing. But even really good, experienced managers make mistakes and questionable decisions (see: Scioscia, Mike) so to attribute Girardi’s errors to the fact that he attempts to use factual information readily at his fingertips is just silly.

  8. John just isn't real smart - Oct 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM

    Okay John, no more of your terrible predictions. I’m fairly sure that if you kept predicting series winners, you’d get it right like 1 in 100 times, and then start bragging about how right you were. Just shut up already, no one’s interested in your moronic statements.

  9. KimG - Oct 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    It’s “pinch running”, not “pitching running”.

  10. Evan - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:10 PM

    Girardi has led this team to the best record in baseball and to it’s first World Series in 6 years.
    Like any manager in the history of the sport, he has made mistakes along the way. However, to use the word “disaster” in describing Girardi is highly inappropriate and grossly inaccurate. How can anyone in their right mind call Girardi a disaster when his team is 4 games away from a World Championship?
    I think this all stems from people (and sportswriters) not understanding the roles and responsibilities of a baseball manager.
    I think Girardi has been good. I wouldn’t call “great” but only because he hasn’t withstood the test of time.

  11. jonny5 - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:38 PM

    Let’s just call it “our thunder” Ok John???? LOL!! Go Phillies!!!!

  12. dcfan - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:40 PM

    well all the managing in this series matched the umpiring I guess…

  13. jonny5 - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:42 PM

    I would like to make another prediction at this time….. The Yankees 2009 world series loss to the reigning Champs, the Philadephia Phillies. Will be blamed on the poor managing of Girardi by NY Fans and the “experts” who call for NYY to win!!!! end of prediction. ;>)~

  14. bb - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM

    yanks in 5
    revealing flaws in a strong national league team. no starting pitching beyond Lee (pedro? blanton? please!!!). adequate bullpen. strong line up. sort of look like the 2004-07 yankess without mariano.

  15. John - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM

    So I got one wrong but this time it’s a sure thing! PHILLIES IN SIX!!! MARK MY WORDS!!!

  16. John - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM

    And as long as you keep responding to my posts it clearly shows that at least one person is interested, that being you. ;-) PHILLIES IN SIX!!! MARK MY WORDS!!!

  17. JBerardi - Oct 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM

    Well, his management might have constituted a disaster had his opposing managers not been so completely inept. Give away more outs, Mike Socia, you’re this close to winning…

  18. W C Fields - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM

    Phillies in 6? Maybe in 3006, the year that is. Or, maybe they will lead after the sixth inning. Maybe four or five times they will lead at or past the midway point of the game. But when the last out is recorded, the Yankees can add another World Series championship to that outrageous total.
    With the two teams’ position players, it’s a toss-up. When it comes to pitching, I’ll take the Yanks. I’m not even sure it will go six games, but out of respect for the Phillies, who are certainly the best in the N.L., let’s say Yanks in six.

  19. Kevin S. - Oct 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM

    What’s funnier is that people actually think Girardi is proof that advanced statistical analysis shouldn’t be used when managing, when Girardi routinely violates the first commandment.

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