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Yankee Stadium has been a Mausoleum

Oct 30, 2009, 10:55 AM EDT

It’s hard to truly gauge crowd noise from the TV broadcast. TBS, for example, is notorious for over-amplifying the crowd via some unique mic placement (they did it with the Braves for years and still do it now that they broadcast national games).  At the same time, the Indians broadcasts I watch most nights during the summer seem unnaturally quiet compared to the way I know that ballpark sounds in person.

But despite the vagaries of technology, it’s been pretty obvious how quiet Yankee Stadium was during the first two games of the Series (where is this guy?).  Buck and McCarver talked about it at length last night, and today FOX’s Ken Rosenthal gets the Phillies’ take on it:

Thank goodness the World Series is leaving New York so we can get a little atmosphere.

“Our ballpark is so loud and rowdy, I was really expecting some of that here,” Phillies shortstop Jimmy Rollins said. “It was very tame and civil.”

…From mystique and aura to tame and civil. What has the Bronx come to?

“Expensive tickets running loud people out,” Rollins said, referring to the high prices at the new Yankee Stadium . . .I asked the three Phillies outfielders in Game 1 — Ben Francisco, Shane Victorino and Jayson Werth — if they had heard any abuse from the fans.

“Crickets,” one of the outfielders said, and I don’t even know why I am granting him anonymity; it’s not like revealing his identity would put him in any danger.

I’ve certainly noticed the price-the-passionate-fans-out effect in other venues.  Ohio State basketball games used to be raucous before they moved into a big plush and expensive arena a decade ago.  Almost every new NFL stadium has rendered the previous roar of the home crowd a murmur.

But the Stadium has been loud at times this postseason, so I’m not willing to totally chalk it up to the richies taking over.  There may be some of that — especially considering that the ultra-richies probably buy tickets from the mere super richies for the World Series — but I think the dominating performance by Lee in Game 1 and the stronger than expected outing from Pedro last night had a lot more to do with it.  There has yet to be an instance in either game where Yankees fans had justification to go crazy so, not surprisingly, they haven’t gone crazy.

All of that said, I expect Philly to be positively insane tomorrow night. I mean, even if nothing exciting happens on the field, the roar of Philly fans yelling about how no one believes in them will be deafening enough on its own.

  1. Dan - Oct 30, 2009 at 11:22 AM

    It’s not the ticket prices. It’s something else, maybe fear? Dunno.
    What I do know, though, is that it’s not the ticket prices. The ALCS was loud, and the WS hasn’t been. The NYC sports bar across the street from me was very loud during the ALCS and *silent* for two nights.

  2. Church of the Perpetually Outraged - Oct 30, 2009 at 11:28 AM

    Some commenters over at riveraveblues.com have mentioned that games during the ALCS were just as loud as YSII, so maybe it’s just the dominance of Lee in Game 1 that kept them quiet. Then again, what do you expect the Phillies guys to say? Why not ask some yankees players what they think?

  3. Glen L - Oct 30, 2009 at 11:29 AM

    I was at Game 2 last night … I don’t know what to say, but it was LOUD, very loud

  4. Craig Calcaterra - Oct 30, 2009 at 11:31 AM

    Where were you sitting, Glen? Reading some other message boards, people are saying that it was loud in the cheaper seats farther away, but that the noise just didn’t reach past the quiet baseline and behind-the-plate seats down to the field.

  5. Josh in DC - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM

    Not that complicated: The Yankees sold their home field advantage for $1.5 billion. At least they got a lot of money for it. As another corrupt jerk once said, “It’s a f’ing valuable thing, you just don’t give it away for nothing.”

  6. Eric Solomon - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM

    Honestly, as a Yankee fan, I think the fans are as tight as some of the players. First trip to the WS since 2003, haven’t had a win since 2000…there’s a lot of pressure. Yes, that’s nuts, but it’s kind of the definition of being a “fan”.

  7. jason11 - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM

    If a stadium is loud, you hear it everywhere.
    If 3 guys behind you are screaming, the stadium is not loud.

  8. Auzziegirl - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM

    Only the TV commercials are loud!

  9. H25 - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM

    It’s loud in the cheaper seats. In the field boxes you hear the people in those seats saying “Now which one is that Jeter guy? He’s the quarterback, right? “

  10. gonzalesmv - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:24 PM

    I couldn’t help but notice on both games during the later innings how many of the “best” seats were empty. Doesn’t look good for a World Series. I’m sorry but making the seats, especially the real close ones, so expensive have shut out the true fans of baseball. I’m from Chicago and feel bad for the true Yankee fans.

  11. bb - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:53 PM

    i have been to several games at the new stadium including opening day and there is a different dynamic. part of it is the moat around the infield where previously you had a lot of people happy as hell to have such good seats being crazy. now we have hedge fund managers and dignitaries doing the “golf clap”.
    i sit upstairs and in the bleachers…it is just a loud as always where the real people sit. yankee fans, however, have never been a first pitch to last pitch crowd.
    also need to keep selling beer after the 7th like the old days.
    also, i hate hearing again about the cost fot he stadium…its new york…the same stadium anywhere else except southern Cal cost half as much.
    except for around the field, same people attending.
    also, phillies are not a rivalry…alcs loud…alcs against the sox…deafening.

  12. MA - Oct 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM

    That is funny because as a Phillies Phan, I was wondering what was going on… they were so quiet even when they were winning…. Wait until they hit Citizens Bank Park baby!!!! They will hear them in Lancaster PA.. Rock On!!

  13. Mike Z - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM

    It looked like the Yank fans were sitting on their hands for most of the game. They could not even get a good “Who’s your daddy” chant going.
    Don’t expect the same in Citizens Bank Park. The Philly loyal will be all over the Yanks players and cheering on the Phils. Game 4 could get real loud. The Eagles play the Giants Sunday afternoon at the Linc then game 4 is across the street Sunday night. South Philly will be jumping. And copious amounts of alcohol will be consumed. The Phils don’t have many of the ultra-riches, just a ton of die hard fans that love their Philly teams.

  14. Dan - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:18 PM

    Whoever wrote this article obviously was not at game 6 of the ALCS with me. Yankee stadium was CRAZY LOUD. Craig, do some research before your write dumb articles…thanks

  15. Craig Calcaterra - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:19 PM

    This post is about the World Series, not the ALCS. And from the post itself:
    “But the Stadium has been loud at times this postseason”
    Dan, do some research before you write dumb comments . . .thanks

  16. Rick - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:21 PM

    It’s cold out. Cliff Lee + Rain does not a raucous crowd make.

  17. greg - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:22 PM

    “Phils don’t have many of the ultra-riches” funny last time I checked Stubhub, Citizens Park tickets were going for twice as much as in New York. Greed is everywhere, yes even in Philly where they sold the naming rights to the park.

  18. nez - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:24 PM

    I think it is partly due to the stadium design – the noise spills out now where it used to be contained – went to game 1 and it was obvious that there is such a sound delay that the crowd on the two sides of the stadium were never in sync with their cheers and just gave up – that never happened in the old place where the concrete shook with 54,000 in unison

  19. Evan - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:27 PM

    Craig,
    This is a direct result of the increase in the cost of tickets changing the demographic of the crowd. As you cited in your article, as the prices go up, the crowds get more tame, civil and QUIET.
    It’s a shame because it eliminates the home field advantage. On top of that, it packs the stadium with cell-phone wielding executives that are too busy entertaining clients and making business deals to pay attention to the game.
    That said, I’d much rather have a quiet disinterested home crowd than a convict-laden, barbaric Philly crowd. There’s nothing endearing about fans that throw batteries, cheer serious injuries and assault fans of the opposing teams.

  20. Mike Z - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:28 PM

    Because game 4 and 5 are potential series ending games, they get a much bigger draw then a game 1 or 2. Plus with only about 100 miles separating the cities there are many NY people looking to take the ride down the NJ Turnpike to catch the game. Just think how much tix will cost for game 7 in the Bronx. And yes its looking like there will be a game 7 in this series.
    And selling name rights to stadiums is commonplace these days. Its big business, has nothing to do with the fans.

  21. jaymen - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:44 PM

    I was there last night, upper deck… behind home plate… and it was pretty loud where I was. I think most of it it because it’s mostly good pitching … and big offense, especially from the home team, is what drives the noise level up. Man, these type of articles and the type I saw in the Daliy News really makes me hate the NY media! These people will try to blow up aything they can, truth be damned!

  22. Jessica - Oct 30, 2009 at 1:51 PM

    They’re LISTED for insane amounts of money, but that doesn’t mean they’re actually selling for that amount.

  23. bh0673 - Oct 30, 2009 at 2:04 PM

    I was there Wednesday night that’s BS the crowd was loud in the beginning but Cliff Lee took the crowd out. During the Division Series and ALCS the crowd was loud. Joe Buck is a piece of crap he is only there because of his father and is a terrible broadcaster. Let me remind everyone there he has an even greater disdain for Piladelphia fans then he does for New York.

  24. Joey B - Oct 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM

    “Where were you sitting, Glen? Reading some other message boards, people are saying that it was loud in the cheaper seats farther away, but that the noise just didn’t reach past the quiet baseline and behind-the-plate seats down to the field.”
    In no particular order-
    1-As others have said, down 7-0 in G1, where you don’t even have guys on base, doesn’t do a lot to incite the crowd.
    2-It was pretty loud where I was in section 209, but that has a level above it which tends to amplify the noise.
    3-I think ticket prices have held down crowd noise this year, but the bleachers is still fairly rowdy.
    4-I think the societal push to behave has dampened noise as well. Once upon a time, going beserk at a ballgame was fun and appreciated. Chants like ‘beat your wife Potvin, beat your wife’, and ‘Jose takes it up the a**, doo dah, doo dah’, were considered good clean fun. Now we’re told to be polite.
    5-It’s possible that the proximity to Philly might have something to do with it. In the ACLS, the crowd was probably almost entirely Yankee. With Philly 2 hours away, there is a much higher probability and percentage of Philly fans at the stadium. With only half the crowd getting rowdy at a time, you can’t generate the same crowd noise as having 95%.

  25. smsetnor - Oct 30, 2009 at 2:13 PM

    You can tell it’s a phony crowd when on every routine pop fly to Victorino, the crowd starts to cheer like it’s a home run. Ahhh, good ole casual fans with money.

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