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The Red Sox "putting on a full court press" for Halladay

Nov 25, 2009, 8:00 AM EDT

And now for your daily Roy Halladay rumor. This one, from Mark Feinsand and Bill Madden of the Daily News, sounds a bit bolder than your usual “Team X may be considering possibly maybe potentially trading for Roy Halladay” stuff:

The Red Sox are “putting on a full-court press” to acquire Roy Halladay, according to a source, and are hoping to add the former Cy Young winner to the top of their rotation to go with Josh Beckett and Jon Lester.

“They would love to get it wrapped up before the winter meetings (beginning Dec. 7),” the source said of the Red Sox, who made a big push to deal for Halladay last summer.

The Red Sox package for Halladay would likely start with Clay Buchholz and would possibly include pitching/shortstop prospect Casey Kelly.

The Sox landing Halladay in the next week would shake the Yankees the hell out of their “we’re gonna wait and see” approach, wouldn’t it?  I mean, if that trade gets made, is there any chance in the world that Brian Cashman doesn’t immediately call John Lackey’s agent and offer him a gabillion dollars?

I mean, that would be like the Kaiser not doing anything after the Royal Navy built the HMS Dreadnought.  It would be like Kennedy letting the Russians keep their missiles in Cuba back in ’62. It would be like Walter not responding when the Nihilists peed on The Dude’s rug.  If the Red Sox trade for Halladay, they’ll be drawing a line in the sand, Dude, and such aggression can not be allowed to stand.

  1. Parnell Meagre - Nov 25, 2009 at 8:11 AM

    Unbelievable – a sports writer assumes his readers have knowledge of the events leading up to “The Great War.” (The reference to the HMS Dreadnought) What’s next – am I going to have to learn particle physics?
    Not really sure about who the Dude is – from the Big Lebowski, perhaps?

  2. Craig Calcaterra - Nov 25, 2009 at 8:21 AM

    I’m all about the Great War.
    And yep, Lebowski it is.

  3. Alex K - Nov 25, 2009 at 8:24 AM

    The rug really tied the room together…..

  4. hop - Nov 25, 2009 at 8:31 AM

    This would be the worse trade in bluejay history, Buchholz and Kelly for Roy Halladay? Clearly they can get a much better deal than this junk, this is the kind of move that gets a GM fired

  5. Alex K - Nov 25, 2009 at 8:40 AM

    It would have to include more than that, but that is most likely where it would start.

  6. Lionheart! - Nov 25, 2009 at 8:50 AM

    Have you ever heard of Vietnam? = Toronto, Baltimore, and Tampa You’re entering a world of pain = The AL East

  7. The TC - Nov 25, 2009 at 8:52 AM

    Alex K:
    More than that? I don’t know. That’s 5 years of Buchholz and 6 of Kelly, if I’m not mistaken versus one year of Halladay. Buchholz and Kelly are young and unproven, sure, but Halladay is on the wrong side of 30, with a lot of mileage on his impressive arm (not to mention a substantial injury history).
    Unless I’m wildly desperate for Halladay, I’m not tacking anything above A Ball to that offer.

  8. Jason O'Connell - Nov 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM

    Here’s hoping that Cashman does not get manipulated by the media and Epstein in the same fashion that Khrushchev played Kennedy (i.e., like a violin) in ’62.

  9. Simon DelMonte - Nov 25, 2009 at 9:15 AM

    So do the Yankees try to exceed the offer to the Blue Jays? Or just the Sox expend their young players and then add Lackey and a Randy Wolff-type to CC, AJ, etc?
    All I can say is that if I’m Joba or Hughes, I am not signing any long terms leases in the NYC area just yet. And that if I’m John Lackey, I might need a bigger bank vault.

  10. Alex K - Nov 25, 2009 at 9:46 AM

    TC:
    Kelly was still in (high) A Ball at the end of last year. Is he going to start in Double A next year? Is he going to commit to pitching full time?
    While the control is nice, I would want at least one other piece somewhere near ML ready. It’s not like the Jay’s have to trade him.

  11. Jay - Nov 25, 2009 at 10:01 AM

    Yes TC, it would take Theo more than that. In late July the RSox were offering Buchholz and Justin Masterton plus Michael Bowden or Lars Anderson plus another C-level prospect. Top outfield prospect Ryan Westmoreland was also on the table if others mentioned above were left out of the deal (although I am fairly sure Daniel Bard and Casey Kelly were considered offlimits at that time). I think for a team to seriously get involved in talks for Doc Halladay that they may have to also take Vernon Wells with most if not all of his contract (a la Red Sox having to take Mike Lowell from the Marlins in the Beckett deal – although that worked out pretty well for them).

  12. Steve C - Nov 25, 2009 at 10:32 AM

    You are right, they do not have to trade him. The Jays are currently +2500 to win the AL Pennant. The longer Halladay stays on the Jay’s roster the less value he has to other teams. He has already clearly stated that he wants to test the free agent market. Are the Jay’s really going to offer him CC money to compete and completely hamstring their budget?
    Halladay is worth about 15MM in surplus value right now, by the trade deadline this will be down to about 5MM. Buchholz projects to be at least league average (2 WAR). He has one more year of league minimum and then enters arbitration. Under the assumption he remains league average he will contribute 8 WAR over the next 4 seasons costing the Jay’s ~18MM over that time period. That leaves 17MM in surplus value for Buchholz.
    Long and the short of it all, Halladay is worth about 4 years of cheap league average pitching. Anything thrown in on top of that should be considered a blessing.

  13. EvilEmpirE2009 - Nov 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    The Cash Man will DRIVE THE COST UP, MAKE THE SAUX PAY OUT THEIR EAR AND NEXT YEAR DOC WILL REALIZE HIS MISTAKE IN PLAYING FOR THE NATION AND SIGN WITH THE EMPIRE.
    WHAT SIZE PINSTRIPES DOES HE WEAR AND GET HIS RING SIZE TOO.
    THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL ,AGAIN!!

  14. EvilEmpirE2009 - Nov 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    The Cash Man will DRIVE THE COST UP, MAKE THE SAUX PAY OUT THEIR EAR AND NEXT YEAR DOC WILL REALIZE HIS MISTAKE IN PLAYING FOR THE NATION AND SIGN WITH THE EMPIRE.
    WHAT SIZE PINSTRIPES DOES HE WEAR AND GET HIS RING SIZE TOO.
    THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL ,AGAIN!!

  15. mick-7-1961 - Nov 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM

    Signing Hallady doen’s guarantee anything other than a new starter in the Red Sox rotation.
    Yes, pitching is generally the ‘Key’ to opening a Championship door, but you need hitting and, more importantly, cohesiveness…two things the Sox don’t have and the reasons they will not win the A.L. East in 2010.

  16. Al Romanelli - Nov 25, 2009 at 12:45 PM

    The Evil Empire will get Halladay just as they did with Jose Contraras.The Yanks will remain number one

  17. Evan - Nov 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM

    Halladay is a better pitcher than Lackey. I don’t agree with the logic in waiting for the Red Sox to acquire him before going to Lackey. The Yankees should be making a full court press for Halladay.

  18. mick-7-1961 - Nov 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM

    Signing Halliday doesn’t guarantee anything for Boston other than a new starter in their rotation.
    Pitching is a main ‘Key’ to winning the title, but
    hitting and team cohesiveness are two vital ingrediants to winning a world championship, neither of which the Red Sox have.

  19. Freddy G - Nov 25, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    Looks to me you are a yankee fan

  20. monkeyball - Nov 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM

    Sorry to be That Guy, but it wasn’t the nihilists who peed on the Dude’s rug — it was one of Jackie Trehorn’s thugs.

  21. Dave G. - Nov 25, 2009 at 2:03 PM

    As usual, Theo will feign interest in Halladay (like he did with CC, Tex.etc), Yanks will stress out, bite their fingernails and then ship Jobe,Hughes and 2-3 other pieces and then sign Halladay to a 5 year 250 million dollar contract, and everyone else in the country will have a good chuckle at Cashman’s expense.

  22. Craig Calcaterra - Nov 25, 2009 at 2:04 PM

    Damn. You’re right. And it’s way better to be That Guy than it is to be wrong about The Big Lebowski.

  23. SrfSteve - Nov 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM

    Written like a true scumbag Yankee fan!!!!

  24. Old Gator - Nov 25, 2009 at 2:32 PM

    Yeah, I saw that but didn’t want to embarrass you. It was the nihilists who walked in on the Dude while he was in the bathtub, threw a ferret (which the Dude idiotically called a marmot) into the tub, and snarled, “We come back here and cut off your johnson!”
    For months after that film came out, I used to write .69 cent checks at the supermarket. Now that’s all well and good but I was inspired more by Picasso, who never kept any money in his checking account. He actually used to pay by check for everything, but the catch was that he would always turn the check over and draw a little doodle on the back of it under his signature. As a result, no one ever cashed his checks because the doodle was worth more than the purchase amount.
    For some reason or other, I think that’s an extenuated metaphor for a Halladay-Buchholtz trade.

  25. h25 - Nov 25, 2009 at 2:32 PM

    just be wary when / if peter gammons states “A Toronto / Boston deal is all but done.” That is when you know he is going to New York.
    (see – A-Rod and Teixeira) as past history.

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