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Report: Angels offer Aybar, Saunders for Halladay

Dec 9, 2009, 8:21 PM EDT

The Toronto Sun is reporting that the Angels have offered up Erick Aybar, Joe Saunders and Peter Bourjos in exchange for Jays ace Roy Halladay.
The Aybar inclusion is big, given the complete lack of any other quality young shortstops on the market and Toronto’s intense desire for a long-term option at the position.
A big issue with the offer, though, is that both of the big pieces have three years of service time in, meaning they’re already set to make considerably more than the minimum. Both Aybar and Saunders are arbitration eligible this winter. They’re each due to reach free agency after 2012.
Bourjos is pretty much the best position player prospect the Angels can offer, but it’s pretty iffy whether he’ll make it as a regular. He hit .281/.354/.423 with 32 steals as a 22-year-old in Double-A last season. He can go get it in center field, but the offensive ability probably won’t be there to make him a top-of-the-order threat in the majors.
If the Angels made the deal, they’d get themselves an ace, but they’d open up a big hole at shortstop and they’d still be short a legitimate fifth starter. Using Brandon Wood at short and Maicer Izturis at third base is an option, but it’d leave the Angels with a much weaker infield defense than they possessed last season.
They might well have a better chance of winning the AL West with their current team and the extra $10 million in cash. Halladay, though, would seem to make them a much bigger threat in the postseason.

  1. AJ Gallo - Dec 9, 2009 at 10:55 PM

    The price for Halladay just went up.

  2. James - Dec 10, 2009 at 1:18 AM

    I’m not buying it. The cost is too high. The Angels aren’t in the habit of creating more holes when they make a trade.

  3. JRS3 - Dec 10, 2009 at 2:41 AM

    Ehh.. Not sure what too think here. Saunders is awesome, Aybar is finally getting there, and Halladay is not getting any younger. I think we need to stick with our guys and look for a bat and Lackey. Just an opinion from a huge fan who see’s every game. Oh yeah, I’m kinda glad Brandon Wood might finally get his real chance. Later Figgy! You are just another guy on the enemy’s team now.

  4. Van - Dec 10, 2009 at 2:44 AM

    If Lackey walks and the Angels aquire Halladay, the Angels aren’t much further ahead in pitching, but they’ve lost Saunders and Aybar. Bad deal all around!

  5. JBerardi - Dec 10, 2009 at 3:20 AM

    Saunders is awesome

    You’re in awe of a back of the rotation starter? Check out John Garland sometime, he’ll blow your friggin’ mind.

    I think this deal would make the Angels better, but only just. I don’t see the point of it for Toronto, with Aybar and Saunders going into their arb years.

  6. bryan Thiemann - Dec 10, 2009 at 3:59 AM

    just wait till the mariners top the angels in the AL west next year

  7. Kquigley - Dec 10, 2009 at 5:21 AM

    “Back of the rotation starter”.
    So many teams want him for a reason, and that is because he’ll give you the most complete games in baseball every year, log a ton of innings, and win 17-22 games a year for you while facing the other teams best pitchers every start.
    He’s the ace on almost anywhere he ends up.

  8. Shane - Dec 10, 2009 at 7:47 AM

    I am a monster Angels fan and know the team pretty well and I cant believe they would be willing to lose both Figgins and Aybar in the same off season. Ayabar was a clutch hitter this year and had his best season ever. Granted Izturis could play short with Kendrick at second but then the bench is thin. They need to concetrate on keeping Lackey and then they will not have to worry about chasing Halladay

  9. Shane - Dec 10, 2009 at 7:54 AM

    This can only mean that the Angels feel they have no hope of re signing Lackey who wants over 80 million and a long contract, two things the Angels are not big on

  10. Pat Gray, Cavendish, Vermont - Dec 10, 2009 at 8:42 AM

    He ain’t no Youkilis, that’s for darn sure and I can’t stand him anyways. Terry Fraconia would make the trade, which is why it’s bad. I know these things.

  11. Mike - Dec 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

    Living in Toronto I have watched Halliday pitch for years, this guy works as hard or harder than any other pitcher currently out there. He gives the most innings year in and year out. A bad year for him sees 15 wins. Sorry but Lackey couldn’t carry Halliday’s glove on his worst day. Sorry to see Doc go but would be very happy to see him go to a contender, a very class guy and he deserves the opportunity

  12. DiamondDuq - Dec 10, 2009 at 9:26 AM

    Are you out of your mind? The guy has 2 complete games in his career, just 1 each of the last 2 years, has never thrown 200 innings, has never won more than 17 games and his career ERA is over 4. The guy is a number 3 starter at best and that’s on a mediocre team. Jorge De La Rosa from Colorado, who no one even knows, made 1 more start, threw just 1 fewer inning, gave up 30 fewer hits, 7 fewer runs, had a better K/BB ratio, the same amount of wins and a lower ERA than Saunders, all while pitching in Colorado which as everyone knows is an offensive ballpark and you’re trying to tell people Saunders is “the ace on almost anywhere he ends up”?

  13. Yankees Win - Dec 10, 2009 at 11:18 AM

    Here is how things will shake out:
    Halladay will end up in LA…bank on it.
    Lackey will sign with NY, which is the only team that will pay him the money he wants with the lengthy contract to match.
    That will give the Bombers a starting post-season rotation of Sabathia, Lackey, Burnett and Pettitte. GAME OVER, rest of the league…

  14. jonny5 - Dec 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

    It will make them better ,every 4th game, while leaving a hole at S.S. for every game. decision, decisions…. there is the post season if they can make it again…….
    I see Halladay and the Phillies as a perfect match. Amaro will make a deal to the jays after the Yankees place their offer on the table. Count on it.

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