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The Phillies are turning into the Yankees

Dec 11, 2009, 9:26 AM EDT

That’s what Tom Verducci at SI is saying in light of their “aggressive” pursuit of Roy Halladay, the prize for whom they currently stand as the front runner.  He quotes Brewers’ GM Doug Melvin as saying that between the Halladay stuff and some of their other recent moves, the Phillies are “creating a powerhouse” in the NL, raising the bar for other teams just like the Yankees have raised the bar in the American League.

Or maybe the Red Sox. Says Verducci: “The Phillies represent the biggest growth brand in the baseball
industry, similar to how the Red Sox began to rise in 2003 under new
ownership.”  All that’s missing, it seems, is an equally aggressive and astute rival. As for now, the Mets are occasionally aggressive, but not all that astute. The Braves are the opposite.  The Marlins never seem all that interested in contending for more than a year at a time before tearing it all down and  the Nats need a lot more time.

Will this eventually lead to a rise in the NL’s fortunes?  Maybe too early to say, but we can say this: right now they stand as the favorites to land Halladay, and that’s without even putting their top prospects like Kyle Drabek on the table. At least not yet.  Verducci says that Philly is even exploring bringing in a third team to the deal. A deal they very obviously want to make happen. And that Roy Halladay wants to make happen too, according to various reports.

Halladay-Lee-Hamels as the top three. A lineup chock full of All-Stars. Maybe a new closer in John Smoltz.  Can anyone say Yankees vs. Phillies, part II?    

  1. Josh - Dec 12, 2009 at 6:14 AM

    Most of this response was very tedious to read. The other parts were a bit untrue. The Yankees have one world series so far this decade. Decades begin at the year begins at the year ending in 1 and ends in the year ending 0. From simple mathematics, you would know number of things in a set = (n2-n1)+1 with n2 being the highest number and n1 being the lowest number. You can hardly count alot of the people you listed as stars that the Yankees farm produced as stars. Coke, Bruney, Cabrera, Gardner, Cervielli, and Aceves can hardly even be considered as more than just above average to average players.
    Your comparisons are a moot point considering you used Red Sox signings/deals from a few years and only one for the Yankees. Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard belong on the list of things the Red Sox system produced if those aforementioned names belong on the Yankees list. Manny Delcarmen most certainly belongs on that list (he’s better than all of those joke of relievers that you listed). Same with Junichi Tazawa.

  2. zak - Dec 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

    when the phillies can actually win back to back titles then we will start talking about them as being the Yankees. Until than they won a world series last year for the first time in almost 30 years, thats nothing to brag about unless you are a redsuk fan.

  3. JudyJ - Dec 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM

    Boo hoo – it sucks to be you!

  4. JudyJ - Dec 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM

    Please do not comment on Yankee fans – you are a Phillies fan. The group of fans who threw things at the outfielders during the World Series and caused havoc. If you think that is something commendable, and I think you do, well, go ahead and say how poor Yankee fans are. The result would be completely different if the score and overall Series went your way – I suppose though you and your ilk might not have the savvy to know how to handle success of that sort – Imagine, Phillies beating the Yankees in the World Series – Tampa Bay they are not.

  5. tess - Dec 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM

    100 years of solitude—it’s about time ownership understood what it takes to win. RIP Eddie Sawyer

  6. FJRinLA - Dec 12, 2009 at 7:19 PM

    Most analysts agree that the core of our team remains the Captain Jeter, the winner of the clinching postseason games Petite, the catcher Posada, and the best closer in the world, Rivera:… ALL DEVELOPED BY THE YANKEE FARM SYSTEM.

  7. FJRinLA - Dec 12, 2009 at 8:20 PM

    …. I like the Phils, but don’t understand why Alex insists on acting like they’re “holier than thou” while trying to minimize the original Yankees….Please just stick to the facts:
    6 of 9 players on the field when Petite pitched the winning WS game were original Yankees….that’s 56% of the talent on the field:
    Derek Jeter
    Jorge Posada
    Robinson Cano
    Melkey Cabrera
    Andy Petite
    And when the game ended with Mariano Rivera on the mound and Brett Gardner in for Swisher, you had 7 of 9 position players were original Yankees…that’s 78%
    No other team in baseball has anything like this core of 7-10, homegrown players that are currently contributing to world titles….and this includes their defensive core right up the middle when you have Cabrera in CenterField, Posada and the Jeter-Cano double-play combination with Petite, Joba, Rivera or any of the rest of the homegrown pitchers are on the mound. Do the Phillies have a list like this:
    16 of 25-man roster were Home-Grown Yankees
    1. Derek Jeter
    2. Mariano Rivera
    3. Jorge Posada
    4. Robinson Cano
    5. Melkey Cabrera
    6. Andy Petite
    7. Brett Gardner
    8. Joba Chamberlain
    9. Phil Coke (key middle reliever just traded to the Tigers)
    10.Ramiro Pena P (left off playoff roster)
    11.Chien Ming-Wang P (Taiwan prospect who never played for anyone else)
    12.Francisco Cervelli C (last caught in ALCS against LAA)
    13.David Robertson P (key middle reliever)
    14.Edward Ramirez P (key middle reliever)
    15.Afredo Aceves P (key middle reliever)
    16.Phil Hughes P (key middle reliever)
    And do u really think Jeter sucks?…even in this WS? He didn’t hit as well as some teammates, but he did still come through. And they’re not there without him either. Ask the Twins and Angels if Jeter stunk it up. He hit key homeruns and is a game-changer in the field and on the basepaths as when he tagged out a Twin before another scored. He didn’t just execute that play, he recognized it and demanded that cutoff from the outfield to have at least one chance at an out.
    In addition, Jeter makes the Yankees a desirable destination for free agents. The way he leads that team on and off the field including covering for A-Rod during A-Rod’s years of frustration and turmoil is a major reason free agents want to play for NY. In particular, Texeira and Burnett would never have considered coming into that clubhouse if not for the leadership of Jeter, Posada and Rivera who is a devout Christian….even J-Ro, whom I love, would probably move to 2nd to play with Jeter!!!
    Other original Yankees had bigger contributions than original Phillies. Joba Chamberlain was a shut-down middle reliever except for 1-run and 1-pitch to your 3rd baseman.
    Robbie Cano is the one player I agree with you in that he batted 324 and had 30 HRs in the regular season while never really hitting like that in the postseason. But he still played stellar defense and remained a tough out….ask the Angels, if they would have preferred him at 2nd instead of the guy that threw away Game 2….and Utley’s throwing errors highlighted how much better defense the original Yankees played.
    Melkey Cabrera played great defense and more timely hitting than Cano. And Brett Gardner put pressure on the opposing pitchers and catchers.
    And I’ll end on Rivera, though Posada had big hits and Petite had all the key wins, so I don’t even remember which two original Yankees you were referring to. But most analysts say the core component of the entire Yankee run since ’96 has not been Jeter, but Rivera.

  8. Jim Fregosi - Dec 13, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    I told Phillies upper management years ago that if they want to compete with the Yankees they had to commit! Commit to developing talent; commit to keeping talent; and commit to finding new talent. All of this means they have to spend money. The Yankees do it. The Red Sox copied it. The Phillies are now thinking about it. The reality is, the Phillies fans should stop crying and support their team. Phillies Territory is easily large enough to support a championship team for eons. The balpark is standing room only all season long. Management needs to stop shoving money in their pockets and keep the team going. I tried to tell them…

  9. JudyJ - Dec 13, 2009 at 5:56 PM

    23 are unimportant in your eyes – good for you. You are a fool! and, a National League wannabe

  10. Brian - Dec 15, 2009 at 2:58 PM

    Buy all of our stars? The Yankees have one of the best if not THE BEST farm leagues in the majors. How many came from there? I guess Steinbrenner could just stuff his pockets full of cash like most owners have rather than give the money he makes off of ticket sales, souvenirs, food and beverage sales and memorabilia to the people who are the reason these things are selling. People buy stuff…Steinbrenner pumps it into his players…Yankees win with better players…Yankees get more fans…more fans buy more stuff…more stuff is more money…do you see what is going on here? So Steinbrenner isn’t as greedy as most of the other owners…otherwise he would keep it all to himself…right?

  11. Jason - Dec 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

    The Phillies are like the Yankees? Are you kidding? The Phils just traded for an ace in Halliday, but then sent Lee to the Mariners for prospects. Why dump Lee when the two together could be the most formidable one – two punch in the NL, especially with that Phillie offense to back them up? According the the GM, because even though Lee is a 9 mil bargain in 2010, the Phils claim they CANNOT AFFORD BOTH. Could you ever imagine the Yankees saying that?

  12. Pat - Dec 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM

    If the Phillies were turning into the Yankees, they would have kept Cliff Lee and inked him to a ridiculous extension. The Phillies are not the Yankees. That is stupid.

  13. Michael Fiore - Jan 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM

    The Yankees homegrown talent on the 2009 Championship team tops the Phillies
    Cano, Jeter, Posada, Melky, Pettitte, Hughes, Joba, Mariano to name a few
    aside from Rollins, Howard, & Utley — what do you have—-oh wait Hamels who couldnt wait until the WS was over
    by the way—-Arod was a trade

  14. Michael Fiore - Jan 7, 2010 at 11:18 AM

    committing to 250-300 million over 7-8 years is not adding 250 million in payroll in 1 year——are you upset that The Redsox spent 100 million this offseason or a few years back when the got Dice K for 50mill plus 50 mill posting fee????? prob not—wanna know why—cause its not the yankees
    The Cardinals just added 120 million this year but their payroll onbly goes up by 14 million—-do you get it now

  15. Anderson - Jan 18, 2010 at 7:35 PM

    What’s the point of winning championships if fans can’t hold onto them? 27 is a massive number of trophies and something to be proud of as a Yankee fan.

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