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The Phillies are turning into the Yankees

Dec 11, 2009, 9:26 AM EST

That’s what Tom Verducci at SI is saying in light of their “aggressive” pursuit of Roy Halladay, the prize for whom they currently stand as the front runner.  He quotes Brewers’ GM Doug Melvin as saying that between the Halladay stuff and some of their other recent moves, the Phillies are “creating a powerhouse” in the NL, raising the bar for other teams just like the Yankees have raised the bar in the American League.

Or maybe the Red Sox. Says Verducci: “The Phillies represent the biggest growth brand in the baseball
industry, similar to how the Red Sox began to rise in 2003 under new
ownership.”  All that’s missing, it seems, is an equally aggressive and astute rival. As for now, the Mets are occasionally aggressive, but not all that astute. The Braves are the opposite.  The Marlins never seem all that interested in contending for more than a year at a time before tearing it all down and  the Nats need a lot more time.

Will this eventually lead to a rise in the NL’s fortunes?  Maybe too early to say, but we can say this: right now they stand as the favorites to land Halladay, and that’s without even putting their top prospects like Kyle Drabek on the table. At least not yet.  Verducci says that Philly is even exploring bringing in a third team to the deal. A deal they very obviously want to make happen. And that Roy Halladay wants to make happen too, according to various reports.

Halladay-Lee-Hamels as the top three. A lineup chock full of All-Stars. Maybe a new closer in John Smoltz.  Can anyone say Yankees vs. Phillies, part II?    

  1. JudyJ - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 AM

    27 27, 27, Yup I can’t stop from reminding you. Can you even fathom the depth of that? The Phillies are a good team with a lot of spirit. However, that franchise came from the depths of the NL – they were ahead 15 games one year in September and blew it. If their owners want to spend money to make money that is a good thing. In your lifetime you probably cannot even come close to 27. You may find Yankee fans obnoxious and that is because 27 is truly something to behold. The second most successful franchise is the St.Louis Cardinals – way behind. Get over yourself.

  2. DiamondDuq - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM

    “Jeter (who was invisable in the WS)”??? Are you kidding me? You discredit yourself more and more with every post. Jeter hit .407 in the WS!!! Oh, and let us not forget he also won his 5th, yes 5th, ring!

  3. Church of the Perpetually Outraged - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:25 AM

    not trying to put words in his mouth, but you have to admit with CC’s pitching, the great game AJ threw in G2, and Arod’s and Matsui’s heroics, Jeter probably had the quietest .407/.429/.519 line a star could have in the WS.
    It did seem like he was always on base, but didn’t have any memorable moment like the rest of the aboves had.

  4. Old Gator - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:26 AM

    Heh heh, that’s because Craig gave me an excuse to slam my own local standard-bearers, something which I never miss an opportunity to do – much as I never miss an opportunity to slam those horrible, lethal sandwiches up there.
    Ackcherley, I was only recently apprised of the difference between Velveeta and Wiz in the Feely cheese “steak” sandwich. I haven’t had time to do more than a little bit of research since then. However, as I understand it, Wiz is ejected from a can under pressure caused by compressed inert gasses, while Velveeta just kinda lays there and develops blue spots. I haven’t had the chance to investigate which industrial strength carcinogens are used to preserve and/or impart “flavor” to either one, nor to the various proportions of the lethal one-two punch of sodium and saturate fats in either product. I can only go by the state of the hearts of cadavers from the Philadelphia area, which looked like Roman aqueducts with ancient encrustations of lichen and mouse shit and very limited functionality. I usually spend my time contemplating the subtle differences in flavour (note the sophisticated Commonwealth spelling) between single or double Gloucester, or exploring the delightful question of which fine Port is most appropriate to which regional variation of Stilton. Horsemeat and Vel…er, Wiz sandwiches really fit work very well in the same gustatory hierarchy, you know?
    Moreover, whereas I do know something about equestrian arts, I admittedly know little about the various grades or cut of horsemeat, but I know it when I taste it – probably just a karmic resonance from a prior incarnation in which I was a very large mountain lion.
    None of this should be taken as an assertion that I think those godawful, highly toxic sandwiches are much or even any better than the greasy, teratogenic arepas or Superfund Brand hot dogs hawked down here at Joeprodolshark Stadium. All of these evoke the same kind of horror as a homecooked dinner on an Irish farm. Also, none of my aspersions upon the boorish conduct and limited, gutter-level vocabulary evinced by Feely fans should be construed as criticism of a very good baseball team, whose players clearly deserve a better class of enthusiasts. I have always found their fans to be largely humorless and very touchy.
    Touchy-Feely, you might say.
    ….sorry about that. I am sufficiently self-aware that I know when I’ve committed an atrocity.
    Anyhow, Sam Cooke. I acknowledge his greatness but was more into Ray Charles because he was more jazz-oriented and because his drummer of 30 years, the late great-souled Billy Peeples, was an old friend of mine. But having said that, I must admit that Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee were more my cup of bathtub gin.

  5. Alex - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM

    Wow this is great isnt it! Spirited baseball talk in December! Gotta love the new rivalry. I hope it continues for a few years. Althoug it appears I am somewhat outnumbered on MSNBC,…haha.
    On a couple of the last posts, although i do think it is tired and brings nothing to the conversation at hand, I do agree 27 championships is something to behold and i am a fan of the history of baseball. I respect the success, just don’t see how it fits into EVERY discussion. Also Jeter’s .407 BA was empty. What big hits did he have? A-Rod, Mo, and our lack of clutch hitting is what killed the Phils. Jeter is great (as I did say above), just wasn’t the guy that carried them in the series.
    All bickering aside, the Phils rise is good for baseball and its been fun to not only hear about Yankees/Red Sox

  6. KayMarch - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM

    The Phillies are turning into the Yankees?????? Sacrilege!

  7. Jonny5 - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM

    You guys really know how to screw up what began as a good thread……… :>P
    “Alex, that actually makes the Phillies dumber in many ways. Sure the Phillies may acquire players through trade but eventually, next year in the case of Halladay and Lee, they have to pay those players free agent money anyway.”
    Actually, the Phills are negotiating a long term deal with Lee as we bicker about BS. So He won’t get as much money as he would in a free market bidding war. What player wouldn’t want to stay with a winning team for some time, allow their family to grow roots…. To lock him up over 5 years past 2010 is the plan.Just give up a couple mill….

  8. kmark2323 - Dec 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM

    As a baseball lover of many years, the Phils recent rise is tremendous. There is no comparison of the Phils to the Yanks. Philly has not gone out and spent 250 mil on FAs. They built a winner from within. Trading for Lee, the only significant newbie on the roster, is nothing compared to being the highest bidder for CC and Tex, let alone the massive salaries of the rest of their all-star team. The Yanks have the core, Jeter, Pos, etc. because they can pay them big bucks, a luxury the rest of the league doesn’t have. Every other team would of lost that nucleus do to attrition in the salary cap. The Yanks “should” win it all every year with the way they spend for the best players. But they don’t. Why? FAs don’t bring Chemistry. Playing together for many years, developing together is the answer. Like Rollins, Utley, Howard, Hamels, Werth, Victorino. Lee is the only Free-agent that made a big contribution in the play-offs for Philly. No A-Rod bats in Philly’s lineup, just homegrown super-stars.

  9. Brad G. - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:01 PM

    The phillies would need Roy X 10 to enter the Yankess $$$ area code.Go Phills!!!!!!

  10. Jonny5 - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM

    LOL!! Old Gator, don’t you know most of us up here in Philly get either Provolone or American cheese on our succulent beef Sandwiches????? WiZ and Velveeta are for the kids. Ginos, you’ve never had Ginos ,I can tell. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. What’s this pain in my arm. It kinda hurts….. My …gosh….fnbhuihs920ih

  11. Old Gator - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM

    Damn….there goes the only Feelies fan I’ve ever met with a sense of humor. RIP >urrrppp

  12. YankeesfanLen - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM

    Here we are (27WS wins) back in the ol’ (27WS wins) THT days talking (27WS wins) about culinary delights (27WS wins) of the various USA cities (27 WS wins).
    We’ve been (27WS wins) alas and alack about (27WS wins)other popular culture references (27WS wins) except for a (27WS wins)few
    “Fear and (27WS wins)Loathing in Indianapolis” tweets.
    No horsemeat (27WS wins), thanks Gator, and I prefer (27WS wins) Velveeta to Wiz.
    Alex, (27WS wins), it’s always nice to have you (27WS wins) around.

  13. s/k - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:34 PM

    the phillies are phenominal

  14. Joe Torre - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM

    What baseball actually needs is a cross-country rivalry, of which I am trying to create.

  15. N Yguy - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM

    Alex, what is your problem? If you hate Yankees fans so much then stop replying to every post they make. You do realize what you hate is that they enjoy more successes than you have enjoyed. Your team won it all in 2008 and came close in 2009. At least your team is on the rise. No one can deny you feeling good about what may be achieved the next several years. I am sure Cubs fans would love to be in your position. Yet, you reek of hate and cynicism. You need a chill pill, man.

  16. al - Dec 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    philliesvs yankees part 2= same result

  17. Willie Esco - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM

    Huge Yankee Fan here… and i totally understand the article… the Phillies realized what has to be done to win…its to reinvest. I am sick of people sayin the Yankees buy championships…well they spending money to make money…the game isnt a game to the programs… its a business. the yankees make a lot of money threw television, promotions and attendance so they have the means to go out and pay for C.C., Tex, and AJ…Its like this in the real world too… you work hard, spend money your education to better yourself and eventually it may pay off and allow you to buy the 500k house and drive that 100k car. do you hate on that guy that had 100k in college loan debit but now is making 300k as a dr.? NOPE. bottom line is you have to pay to play(contend)

  18. Church of the Perpetually Outraged - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM

    It really behooves you to read some of the comments in this thread. As DiamondDuq mentions, a large portion of the yanks payroll is because they’ve had to keep all-stars, such as the Core 4, who are worth large amounts of money. While the Yanks did sign 3 big FA’s last year to increase their payroll, whats going to happen when Utley, Howard, and to a lesser extent Hamels hit their FA period?
    Also, don’t say that Cliff Lee was the only FA that made a “big contribution” when A, he wasn’t a FA, and B it misrepresents the contributions of guys like Werth, Ibanez and [last year] Moyer.

  19. Florida - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM

    Believe what you want, but we have two World Series Championships under our belts; how many do you have.

  20. SDfromPHL - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

    I am a die-hard Phils fan, but I give Joebob credit for being the one Yanks fan who can make an point without bringing up the number 27, most of which the current yankee players and current yankee fans weren’t even alive for. The point is also well taken. We have already seen big $$ go to extensions for Howard and Utley. Werth and Victorino are already not cheap and not likely to get any cheaper. The Phils are also in hot pursuit if some big $$ pitching. the biggest thing I have learned from the Yankees, however, is how stupid it sounds when you have NOTHING to say except “We won 27″ Hopefully, when the phils have won their next 25 we be able to debate constructively.

  21. YANKEE GLORY - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    Alex you are a fool who believes in all the hype and whine about the Yankees without even looking at the facts….. put this in your lame brain :
    Yankees 2009 Championship Roster
    HOMEGROWN PLAYERS: Jeter Rivera Posada Pettitte Cano Hughes Chamberlain Robertson Coke Bruney Cabrera Gardner Cervielli Aceves
    Players TRADED for : Rodriguez Swisher Marte Gaudin
    FREE AGENTS : Texeira Sabathia Damon Burnett
    THAT IS ONLY 4 FREE AGENTS ON THE TEAM THAT WON A CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2009 AND IS BUILT FOR A DYNASTY INT HE FUTURE. AND THEY ALSO SET A RECORD BY HAVING 4 PLAYERS JETER POSADA RIVERA AND PETTITTE WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP 9 YEARS APART WHILE STAYING TOGETHER ON THE SAME TEAM
    SO LAME BRAIN THE YANKEES FARM SYSTEM IS GREAT THEY MAKE WISE TRADES AND THEY ADD FREE AGENTS LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM. THEIR SUCCESS HUGE FAN BASE AND HISTORY AND TRADITION BRINGS IN THE DOLLARS SO THEY BUY QUALITY FREE AGENTS. THEY RUN A FRANCHISE IN TODAY’S SPORTS WORLD THE WAY THEY WANT TO WHICH IS WHY BOSTON AND THE PHILLIES COPY THEM. WHICH IS OK.
    BUT WHAT IS SO HYPOCRITICAL IS THAT AFTER THE RED SOX AND PHILLIES COPY THEM AND WIN THEIR CHAMPIOSNSHIP WE STILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE LITTLE PANTY WAISTED FANS CRY AND WHINE LIKE BABIES.
    LONG LIVE THE YANKEE EMPIRE……….BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID THE NEXT DYNASTY HAS ARRIVED.
    AND ESPESCIALLY TO ALL RED SOX FANS WHO CRY AND WHINE ABOUT PAYROLL YOUR TEAMS OF 2004 AND 2007 IN WHICH YOU ARE SUPPOSEDLY SO PROUD WERE BULIT ON PLAYERS STOLEN FORM OTHER TEAMS
    ORTIZ MANNY SCHILLING BECKETT LOWELL MILLAR CABRERA ROBERTS FOULK
    VARITEK WAKEFIELD CRISP DREW
    PEDROIA YUOKILIS ELLSBURY LESTER PAPELBON DEVELOPED YES BUT THAT IS LESS THAN THE YANKEES. YOUR PAYROLL IS LOWER CAUSE YOU RUN YOUR STARS OUT OF TOWN BOGGS CLEMENS NOMAR MANNY AND SOON PAPI CAUSE YOU GOT NO LOYALTY OR CLASS.
    AND LETS NOT FORGET OH YOU REALLY REALLY REALLY WANTED ROFRIGUEZ AND ALSOP TEXEIRA AND LOST. OH HOW YOU OPENED YOUR BIG MOUTHS ABOUT A-ROD IN 2004 AND 2007 LIKE HYPOCRITES WHEN YOU WANTED IM OS BAD IN WINTER 2004 AND HAD TRADE JUST ABOUT DONE
    AND BY THE WAY 2004 IS DEAD…….YANKEES DON’T CARE ANYMORE AND BY WINNING IN 2009 THE YANKEES ARE TEAM OF DECADE 2 TITLE EQUALS BOSTON BUT 4-2 IN PENNANTS AND YANKEES WON 8 OF NNE DIVISION TITLES.
    SO GO REWIND YOUR STUPID VCRS AND LIVE IN THE PAST THE YANKEES STOLE YOUR GLORY BY WINNING TEAM OF DECADE AND THE SOX ARE SECOND CLASS AGAIN AND RED SOX NATION IN BANANA REPUBLIC AGAIN WHICH MUST JUST MAKE POOR LITTLE THEO AND HENRY AND LUCCINO WET THEIR PANTIES

  22. Alex - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM

    ………..I’m sorry i fell asleep. What?

  23. Robbie - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM

    Using all caps doesn’t make you smarter.
    All teams have good talent coming up through the farm system. The difference is that the Yankees can pay to keep that talent when it comes to fruition. Other teams can’t afford to.
    Baseball sucks. Long live football season.

  24. Mike Z - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:55 PM

    The Phils and Yanks will combine for roughly $350 million in payroll in 2010. Money buys happiness and championships. With the Mets and Sox not being able to get it together with their expensive teams its going to be the Phils v Yanks for awhile. Fans of the lesser paid teams will hate it, MLB will love it. The largest and 6th largest cities in the US going at it for all the marbles on the world stage.
    Lets all relax and enjoy the holidays and get back at it when pitchers and catchers report. Then we go back to the Yanks fans talking about 27 and the Phils fans talking about heart.
    Calcaterra, you will be happy that you wont have to hear the Phils fans cry that they dont get any respect next year. The Phils are putting together a team that cant be ignored or blown off by the media.

  25. ManWithBrain - Dec 11, 2009 at 1:57 PM

    Garbage? Why do you have to say that? Yankees won, congrats to them. Why do you have to try to tear down the Phillies?
    There’s such a thing as winning gracefully.

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