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Halladay trade waits on extension, other details

Dec 14, 2009, 6:34 PM EDT

ESPN’s Jayson Stark, who still has some of the best Phillies sources in the business from his days in Philadelphia, appears to have the best handle on the Roy Halladay trade at the moment.
According to his sources, the deal isn’t yet done. Besides the need for Halladay to agree to an extension — reportedly in the three-year, $60 million range — the Jays and Phillies are still fighting over a prospect.
It breaks down like this at the moment:
Phillies: Roy Halladay, Mariners prospect, Mariners prospect
Mariners: Cliff Lee
Blue Jays: Phillippe Aumont (20, from Sea), Travis d’Arnaud (20, from Phil), Phillies prospect
Outfielder Michael Taylor might be that last prospect going to Toronto, though Stark believes the Jays are holding out for fellow outfielder Domonic Brown, the Phillies’ top position prospect. Taylor is no slouch — he ranks as one of top 10 outfield prospects in the minors — but it makes sense that the Phillies would want more. Aumont was turned into a reliever last year, and he’d be an injury risk if thrust back into the rotation. He could be a dominant late-game reliever, but he’s hardly a sure thing. D’Arnaud, a 2007 supplemental first-round pick, has been something of a disappointment and doesn’t currently project as a starting catcher in the majors, though he’s just 20 and there’s plenty of time for that to change.
There’s been little word about the other Mariners properties in the deal. The assumption when the reports leaked was that Brandon Morrow would be involved, and he could make sense in Philadelphia as a setup man. However, if Stark is right that it’s prospects going to the Phillies, then he wouldn’t qualify. Reliever Shawn Kelley also doesn’t fit the prospect description, but he’s another pitcher the Phillies should be interested in. Young outfielder Michael Saunders would be a nice piece for Toronto, but not for the Phillies. Carlos Triunfel’s upside would play anywhere.
That there’s still so much we don’t know makes it too early to name winners and losers here. However, I don’t think it’s going out on a limb to suggest that the Mariners did a great job managing to acquire Cliff Lee when they have so few star prospects to deal from. Also, I’ll be very disappointed with the Jays’ haul if they only end up with Aumont, Taylor and D’Arnaud.

  1. REALMAN - Dec 14, 2009 at 9:37 PM

    yes lee’s contract is expiring next year… he has showed the baseball world he is a top notch playoff pitcher…. i mean almost perfect…in my book that says alot… halladay will be great also. but he has showed me 0 in playoff expierence ,,, i say it comes back to haunt the phillies as halladay has increasing age problems and occasionally does get hurt…LEE was a perfect fit.,.. lefties are worth prime bucks in the market place… seatle would do well..look at last 2 world series winners hammels and sabathia.. followed by a gutty lee preformances and gonna argues josh beckett.. well he was young so be it

  2. Paul - Dec 14, 2009 at 10:22 PM

    I would agree that it would make more sense to offer up Hamels or Happ and retain Lee. If the goal is a championship it has become mandatory to have 2 guys that are both capable of Cy Young numbers. That is the new reality in baseball when playing the American Leagues top teams. Seattle is not giving up anything of note so the idea that you give them Lee even if for only a season makes no sense. Yes I know Lee wants big bucks like Halladay. Guess what the Phils can afford it. They are selling out the stadium and have become the toast of Philly. Giving up lee means you believe either Hamels will come back (no guarantee) or that Happ will continue to develop (he was lukewarm at best in the playoffs this year or that one of your farm pitchers is ready to move up. You would really need Hamels and Happ to be spot on to have a chance to contend. Perhaps they are happy to just get to the playoffs next year.

  3. Phillyfan4ever - Dec 14, 2009 at 10:36 PM

    Being a long time philadelphia sports fan, it doesnt surprise me how short cited and/or idiotic the other philadelphia fans’ comments are on this board and most boards.
    Lee is gone after this year – hence phils would get nothing for him. He wants a 5-6 year deal at Sabbathia money. The years is what worries me and the phillies. Too long to be tied up w an aging pitcher at a big salary.
    Holladay is willing to come for a discount and only 3 years. its a no brainer. And he is a power/strikeout pitcher who can go on 3 days rest when you need him in the playoffs.
    The idiotic comments about trading Hamels are just that — idiotic. The kid was world series and playoff mvp just over a year ago. he is young, signed for years and cheap. trading him would be the dumbest move in franchise history.
    Good deal for phils long term – especially if they get to keep drabek and brown.

  4. Matt - Dec 14, 2009 at 10:43 PM

    Look the jays probably wouldn’t have gotten much more. Teams arnt going to give everything for one guy. These prospects seem decent. Did anyone honestly think lind would turn out to hit 30 homers, or when rios came in the league to completely bomb. You don’t really know what you have until you wait. Baseball prospects take the longest in any sport to develop you never know what you have. Look at Werth on the phillies we gave up on him, or carpenter on st louis.

  5. FJRinLA - Dec 14, 2009 at 10:57 PM

    Actually, the Jays were holding out for more from Boston or NYY because they would have to play those guys.
    I think they’re happy to take less from any other team willing to pay Halladay that is not the Red Sox or the Yankees….and they’re probably smart to do so.
    The Yankees are calling them now because they see how little they’ve accepted; but NYers are probably wasting their time since that’s the point. Toronto would need and request more from NY or Boston than from Philly since they’d be making a division rival stronger by trading him to the Yankees or Red Sox.

  6. Nancy L - Dec 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM

    Please – keep Lee!!! He was a good fit with the team and in the clubhouse. You want a winning team? Then don’t get rid of those who “brung you to the dance” last year – Lee. OK to get Halladay if you want him, but keep Lee and Hamels. PLEASE!!!

  7. cougar222 - Dec 14, 2009 at 11:38 PM

    The Jays need Happ to be Happy with this deal!!

  8. BigJer - Dec 15, 2009 at 12:04 AM

    What people on this board don’t seem to realize or accept is that baseball, like every other major sport, is about money. Miami is willing to give up Dan Uggla, their second baseman and top player, because he would be making $20,000,000 next year and the Marlins entire payroll is $40,000,000. Other clubs face similar problems.
    As long as you’re filling your ballpark as the Phillies are doing, locking up a Roy Halliday for $15,000,000 for three or four years is smart business while Cliff Lee has only one year on his contract before becoming a free agent and will more than likely be demanding $25,000,000 or more. And I would think that the two are roughly equivalent in capability although Lee, after a fantastic three or four games at the start of the year, really went south for a couple of games although he made up for it in the playoffs and the series. Bottom line – a great deal for the Phillies, and they know and revel in that fact.

  9. Scott - Dec 15, 2009 at 12:24 AM

    The reason they can’t wait until the trade deadline is because Halladay has an iron-clad no-trade clause and has said that he will not talk about or negotiate his contract and will not accept being traded once the season starts. So, they are going to repeat the same scenerio as the Twins did with Santana, but because they waited half a season too long, not because they should wait half a season more.

  10. Andrew - Dec 15, 2009 at 12:38 AM

    I understand people are upset that Lee is leaving but dont forget that even though both players have won 1 CY Young award Holladay was nominated for 4 others that he did not win. That means he was in the top 5 in his league for 5 years since hes been in the majors. 6 times an All-Star. This guy can flat out pitch. And in case I havent sold you yet hes done this in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox.
    Im a Phillies fan before all else and I honestly feel that pretty much whatever we gave up to get this righty to lead our rotation should send Amaro to prison for theft. We got Lee for dirt cheap and then turned that into 4 years of Roy ‘Doc’ Holladay for only one prospect more.

  11. Deese Knutts - Dec 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

    So, if the Phils give up Dominic Brown in the trade, they’re pretty giving up what the Blue Jays asked for last year, but losing Cliff Lee for pretty much nothing. I guess they want to win, but not if it cuts too far into the profit margin. I guess the fans who helped sell all those tickets and buy all that Phillies merchandise don’t deserve that much. Oh well, if they don’t win, they can always just blame the Yankees like every other team does.

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