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Red Sox consider increasing offers to Bay, Holliday

Dec 24, 2009, 1:37 AM EDT

The Boston Red Sox loaded up on pitching and defense this offseason by bringing in John Lackey, Marco Scutaro and Mike Cameron, then said they were pretty much done with Jason Bay. But guess what? Even the great Theo Epstein can change his mind.

According to the Boston Herald (via our sharp-eyed friends at Rotoworld) the Red Sox are looking at their financial picture to see if they can find enough creativity to increase their offers to either Bay or Matt Holliday.

Previous reports had Boston offering Bay a 4-year deal worth $60 million, and Holliday a 5-year deal for $82.5 million, both rejected with hardly a thought.

Increasing their offer to either player would put the Red Sox at risk of crossing the $170-million luxury tax threshold, and it certainly doesn’t help that the team was unable to unload Mike Lowell to the Rangers.

The other issue is finding a place for Bay or Holliday to play, as the team already has J.D. Drew, Jacoby Ellsbury and Mike Cameron under contract for nearly $22 million. Something, it seems, would have to give.

Examining your financial picture is certainly not the same as preparing an offer, so we’ll see if this talk leads to anything at all. The prudent advice might be for the Red Sox to go into the season with what they have, not panic in response to the Yankees’ moves, and look at making mid-season deals if necessary.

Interestingly, Yankees GM Brian Cashman said on Tuesday that he would not be looking to add a big contract to replace a green Brett Gardner in left field. One wonders if the Red Sox jumping into the fray – should they indeed jump — would change philosophies in the Bronx.

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  1. merrychristmas - Dec 24, 2009 at 3:25 AM

    How would the Red Sox even ‘panic’ about the Yankees moves?
    Javier Vazquez- Simply not better than John Lackey.
    Curtis Granderson- Good player, but just doesn’t tip the scales in the division.
    Nick Johnson- Ah, nothing to see here.

  2. Yankee Fan - Dec 24, 2009 at 4:02 AM

    How would the Red Sox even panic about he Yankees moves?
    1)The Yankees are back on top and the Red Sox fell off the planet last year.
    2) The Red Sox are getting old quick
    3) Lackey sucks and has been injured two years in a row, thus not worth 82.5 million dollars.
    4) The Yankees are back on top and the Red Sox sucked last year
    5) Since 1918: Yankees 27 Red Sox 2 sooo……go suck yourself off

  3. Chris L - Dec 24, 2009 at 4:16 AM

    1) you bought it. we’ve learned how to do that, too.
    2) Jeter already looks like he’s enshrined in Monument Park. Problem is, he’s still supposedly playing SS.
    3)AJ Burnett was worth HIS contract?? Or Randy Johnson? or Jason Giambi? or Javier Vazquez(the 1st time around)?
    4)If the Yankees weren’t so worried about the Sox’ 2 titles…why the spending spree to get back in the game? Sounds like the panic is in the Bronx.
    And in typical classy Yankee fan style, you closed with “go suck yourself off”…..are you still a little bitter about not making the cast of Jersey Shore???

  4. Nes1 - Dec 24, 2009 at 5:50 AM

    Ummm….”How would the Red Sox even panic about the Yankees moves?”
    Your question suggests/implies that the Sox won in 2009 and therefore are in a position to not panic or overreact. The question more appropriate here is: ‘How would the Yankees panic about the Red Sox moves?’ being that the Sox need to be making moves to try and dethrone the series champs, because obviously 2009 did not work.
    Although Lackey is good, that just adds gravy to the gravy train. That rotation was good to start with, but it was middle relief/bullpen that did the Sox in last year. Not to mention that you still need that big bat in the middle of the lineup and if Jason Bay wasnt it last year, I dont see how he’s gonna be a big bat this year.

  5. Various_Authors - Dec 24, 2009 at 6:01 AM

    I once read a comment from a Red Sox fan stating that the Red Sox had more “quality” championships than the Yankees. Yes, out of those 2 in the past 90 years, both were of a higher quality than any of the Yanks 27 championships. So my question is, why even BOTHER arguing with a Red Sox fan? They’re beyond delusional.
    btw, I don’t think the Red Sox will sign either Bay or Holliday. Why? Because it’s the YANKEES who buy pennants, remember? The Red Sox do it the noble way. heheheheh….

  6. DannyC - Dec 24, 2009 at 6:24 AM

    2) Jeter already looks like he’s enshrined in Monument Park. Problem is, he’s still supposedly playing SS.
    you may have missed this season but Derek Jeter had a hell of a year. Gold glove, Silver Slugger, Hank Aaron award, 3rd in AL in batting average (.334), 4th in Runs, 3rd in OBP and a world series ring. I’m no JeterPeterEater, but that looks like a pretty solid season that shows that even if he’s lost a step, he’s still better than most people out there.

  7. Michael Mielauskas - Dec 24, 2009 at 7:20 AM

    Once you cut through the BS What you do is compare
    line-ups in the the defense and offence.
    The match-ups between the teams look good.
    Yankees hurt themselfs with there batting line-up.
    Basically the replacements suck.
    Boston pitching rotation looks good except for
    wakefield time to retire. Lowell is still a problem
    he should of been gone last year. If Boston going
    to spend big money get Matt say goodbye to Bay.
    Go after Beltre.
    GO BOSTON

  8. talex - Dec 24, 2009 at 8:33 AM

    Well, the Red Sox might be playing catch up with the Yankees because of the following:
    The Yankees won 100 plus games and the World Series with Wang going 1-6, Chamberlain winning 9 games, and Sergio Metri and Chad Gaudin pitching in the 5th spot. In 2010, Vazquez, who went 15-9 with a 2.87 ERA and striking out 238 will be the #4 pitcher and Phil Hughes will be filling the #5 spot with Chamberlain in the bullpen.
    The question isn’t about who the Yankees picked up verses who the Red Sox picked up, but who is going to be better from 2009. Cameron is way below replacing Jason Bay, so the Red Sox didn’t get better in LF. Lackey is a nice pickup, but he did only win 11 games last year and he’s basically going to be asked to replace Tim Wakefield, who despite the Red Sox finishing 2nd and losing in the playoffs, had an All-Star first half and won the same games as Lackey–this really is a wash. Lowell, Varitek, and Ortiz are old and fading. The bullpen coughed it up in the playoffs. And the Red Sox overall problem in 2009 was not scoring enough runs: they haven’t gotten any better in this department.
    If you watched the Yankees play all year in 2009, Matsui and Damon were extremely streaky and both disappeared for long stretches during the season, so despite their great World Series, during the season they were so-so. Nick Johnson is a great pickup. He’s an on-base machine and a clutch hitter. If healthy he will drive in over 100 runs batting behind A-Rod. The Yankees are better in every regard–starting pitching, bullpen, and lineup with LF their only ? right now; and you know they’ll do something. Can the Red Sox say they are better as a team than last year? That really is the question.
    The great news is that 2010 will be an awesome year to be Yankee and Red Sox fans. With the Yankees back on top it only makes the riverily more intense and interesting.
    P.S. – With the Red Sox payroll sky-rocketing through the roof and only going up; what do you think it will be if they resign Bay and get Adrian Gonzalez (it’ll be the Yankees payroll)–will Red Sox fans still continue the “buying the championships mantra?” :) Highly, unlikely, huh!
    T.

  9. militarymanmc - Dec 24, 2009 at 8:52 AM

    Imagine that…a little punk yanks fan using the “27 rings” comment since he knows nothing about baseball. Simply Pathetic and sad that you even post on here.
    Note to all Yanks fans: This moron is making you all look like pathetic losers.

  10. GeeWiz - Dec 24, 2009 at 8:54 AM

    The Yankees were not better in the bullpen last year than the Sox. No way, no how. The Yanks line-up from top to bottom was sick and that is why they were so good. They made a few tweaks, so their offense will still be awesome. I’m still not sold on their pitching staff and Mariano will eventually breakdown, but year will it be, probably 2020.

  11. dcfan-1212450 - Dec 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM

    Its funny how some Yankee fans are calling the Red Sox old when the Yankees biggest problem 2 years ago when they missed the playoffs was injuries due to age. I dont think you can say the Red Sox are old but they are now looking up at the Yankees. I think the Red Sox deep to dump Lowell bad and add one more bat. If they do that, it should be neck and neck this year again.

  12. Chris G - Dec 24, 2009 at 8:59 AM

    I don’t get the infatuation with Matt Holiday – he pretty much proved he’s one of those guys who can only get it done in the NL. I hope the Red Sox do get him, he’s probably not worth the money. Jason Bay is a good solid player who the Red Sox should re-sign because without him they are even less potent an offense than last year, maybe they can make that up with superior pitching – but Lackey has a lot to prove pitching in the AL East – see this years ALCS.
    The Yankees meanwhile are surgical ripping the heart out of their team – the guys who made them what they are are the “second tier” players such as Damon, Hideki, Melky and Swisher – they are the clutch give it everything guys who make the team what it is – the glue – that keep it all together – now three of those guys are gone – Cashman didn’t learn the lesson of the last 9 years – you can’t win with superstars cobbled into a subpar line-up – you need the very good players there to complement the A-Rods and Jeters. That’s gone now and all he’s got to show is Vasquez who is an NL pitcher who can’t take the hear in NY (please prove me wrong Javy) and Nick Johnson, who I like, but surely is not a substitute for Hideki or Damon as a hitter. I still think the Yanks are playing possum on Jason Bay and will sign him (maybe DeRosa) – no way Brett Gardener is the Yankee starting left-fielder.

  13. Chris G - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM

    I don’t get the infatuation with Matt Holiday – he pretty much proved he’s one of those guys who can only get it done in the NL. I hope the Red Sox do get him, he’s probably not worth the money. Jason Bay is a good solid player who the Red Sox should re-sign because without him they are even less potent an offense than last year, maybe they can make that up with superior pitching – but Lackey has a lot to prove pitching in the AL East – see this years ALCS.
    The Yankees meanwhile are surgical ripping the heart out of their team – the guys who made them what they are are the “second tier” players such as Damon, Hideki, Melky and Swisher – they are the clutch give it everything guys who make the team what it is – the glue – that keep it all together – now three of those guys are gone – Cashman didn’t learn the lesson of the last 9 years – you can’t win with superstars cobbled into a subpar line-up – you need the very good players there to complement the A-Rods and Jeters. That’s gone now and all he’s got to show is Vasquez who is an NL pitcher who can’t take the hear in NY (please prove me wrong Javy) and Nick Johnson, who I like, but surely is not a substitute for Hideki or Damon as a hitter. I still think the Yanks are playing possum on Jason Bay and will sign him (maybe DeRosa) – no way Brett Gardener is the Yankee starting left-fielder.

  14. Chris G - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM

    I don’t get the infatuation with Matt Holiday – he pretty much proved he’s one of those guys who can only get it done in the NL. I hope the Red Sox do get him, he’s probably not worth the money. Jason Bay is a good solid player who the Red Sox should re-sign because without him they are even less potent an offense than last year, maybe they can make that up with superior pitching – but Lackey has a lot to prove pitching in the AL East – see this years ALCS.
    The Yankees meanwhile are surgical ripping the heart out of their team – the guys who made them what they are are the “second tier” players such as Damon, Hideki, Melky and Swisher – they are the clutch give it everything guys who make the team what it is – the glue – that keep it all together – now three of those guys are gone – Cashman didn’t learn the lesson of the last 9 years – you can’t win with superstars cobbled into a subpar line-up – you need the very good players there to complement the A-Rods and Jeters. That’s gone now and all he’s got to show is Vasquez who is an NL pitcher who can’t take the hear in NY (please prove me wrong Javy) and Nick Johnson, who I like, but surely is not a substitute for Hideki or Damon as a hitter. I still think the Yanks are playing possum on Jason Bay and will sign him (maybe DeRosa) – no way Brett Gardener is the Yankee starting left-fielder.

  15. Disinterested Oberserver - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:18 AM

    The Yankees and Red Sox are forgetting they have a new threat to deal with in the form of the young Tampa Bay Rays team. Both the Yankees and Red Sox are a bunch of old men who were bought by their big spending GM’s, while the Rays have developed their talent from within.
    Instead of Yankees and Red Sox’s fans bickering about each others championships or who has more quality wins, etc. You should both focus on stealing the YOUNGER talent from the Rays and get those players at a bargain price compared to over priced, over the hill guys like Bay or Holliday.

  16. Chris Triolo - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:19 AM

    None of this BS is going to matter once Baltimore starts to mature. More talent with them than ANYWHERE in the AL East. Don’t discount the Rays either.
    Yanks and Sox will spend themselves out of this whole ‘game’ that they play sooner than later.

  17. mysteryroche - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:23 AM

    Said with the class of a true Yankee fan…

  18. Kim - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:31 AM

    You’re an idiot, just like every Yankee fan! Merry Christmas!

  19. Please - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:38 AM

    Yeah, because lumping all Yankee fans in with one guy commenting on a board like this speaks so highly of you people. Pathetic.

  20. bethjamune - Dec 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM

    Hello Yankee fans, red sox fan here. Yup, your team is better, whooptie doooooo… I’m proud of your stupid franchise. Let’s compare.
    1. Sabathia vs beckett Sabathia
    2. Burnett vs Lester Lester
    3. Pettitte vs Lackey Tie
    4. Vasquez vs Dice-balls Tie
    5. Hughes vs Wake Wake
    6. Yanks Bullpen vs sox Tie
    7. Yanks lineup vs sox Yankees, no comparison
    Devision winner: Yankees
    Wild Card: Sox
    Pennent and world series: Yankees
    Sox fan vs Yankee fan Sox fan wins. I hate all Yankee fans there idiots. Especially the ones that live and grew up in the Boston area… Move to NY you bunch biggots…

  21. Please - Dec 24, 2009 at 10:02 AM

    That’s adorable. First, before you call other people idiots, maybe you should learn how to spell PENNANT. Second, why don’t you go back to second grade and learn some proper grammar.
    “They’re idiots” = correct.
    “There idiots” = people are laughing at you.

  22. Please - Dec 24, 2009 at 10:03 AM

    That’s adorable. First, before you call other people idiots, maybe you should learn how to spell PENNANT. Second, why don’t you go back to second grade and learn some proper grammar.
    “They’re idiots” = correct.
    “There idiots” = people are laughing at you.

  23. Please - Dec 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM

    That’s adorable. First, before you call other people idiots, maybe you should learn how to spell PENNANT. Second, why don’t you go back to second grade and learn some proper grammar.
    “They’re idiots” = correct.
    “There idiots” = people are laughing at you.

  24. bethjamune - Dec 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM

    Oh great, a yankee fan that’s an expert on grammer. Thankyou for correcting me. I didn’t realize I was being graded. You are a moron and an idiot. People are laughing at me? Let me run and hide. I was hoping for a response and you were the first moron yankee fan to respond. YOU WIN!

  25. Please - Dec 24, 2009 at 10:24 AM

    So happy to have made your day. Oh, and it’s GRAMMAR. You can’t even spell it! Awesome. I’m just pointing out that your little mistakes take the wind out of your sails a bit while you’re calling other people morons and idiots.

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