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Another Hall of Fame Ballot

Dec 28, 2009, 10:59 AM EDT

I’m not going to relay every Hall of Fame ballot I see, but since we were just talking about it this morning, here’s Bob Klapisch’s: Alomar, Blyleven, Dawson, Larkin, Morris, Raines.

Do I agree with it 100%? No. I still don’t think Morris belongs and I’d love to see Alan Trammell mentioned on more ballots. But at least this ballot makes sense. If you vote for Dawson, it seems like you have to include Raines. If you include Morris it seems like you have to include Blyleven. To do otherwise kills any sense of internal coherence.

  1. Old Gator - Dec 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

    Pesronlaly’ I,ve awlays fuond “intrenarl coeharance’ t obe hihgly orveraetd myslef.

  2. Eat a Peach - Dec 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM

    Now now, not every blog post can be a champion. Was this poorly spelled and edited, esp. for a shorter post? Yes and yes. But still, Craig is our guy and usually always better than this. 60% of the time he’s better than this all the time.

  3. RichardInDallas - Dec 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM

    Just remember that there are writers that DIDN’T see fit to vote for Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Cal Ripkin, and too many other no-brainers to mention. I think the key word here is “no-brainer”. I wonder how we will be shocked and amazes at this year’s list of inductees?

  4. Larry - Dec 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM

    Raines and Dawson were 2 outstanding playes that almost every team would have wanted. That being said we have to look at their total accomplishments and compare them to the best of the best in baseball all time. How far off the best of the best players do you go to consider a guy a HOF player?
    Dawson was a .279 lifetime hitter, 438 HRs in over 20 seasons, a slugging % of .482 and an OPS obps of .806.
    You can’t put him in the HOF because of one great season in 1987. He only hit 30+ HR in 3 seasons and only drove in 100 RBI in 4 seasons. He’s a cut below the HOF as a player.
    Raines has a similar situation. He’s a lifetime .294 hitter a leadoff man who in 23 years, has 2600 hits. His on base percentage was.385 and never had 200 hits in a season or 100 walks. If you want to use his 800 steals as a key factor that’s great, but nothing else spells HOF player to me. Another outstanding player but a cut below a HOF player. You have to draw the iine somewhere.

  5. TigerS Boy ToY - Dec 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM

    Jack Morris AND Bert Bleylevin belong in
    The HOF has become a popularity contest, it is a sham.

  6. TigerS Boy ToY - Dec 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM

    You sold me on Raines and Dawson with the numbers, how
    about Morris and Blyleven.

  7. tommy in CT - Jan 1, 2010 at 3:11 PM

    Some interesting Bert facts:
    1. Contrary to popular belief, Bert pitched for many good teams in his career. Eight of these teams won 90 or more games or were in serious contention for a division title (’70, ’77 – ’80, ’87 – ’89). Bert averaged approx. 33 starts and 230 IP per season for these teams. Astoundingly, however, he averaged only 12.5 wins per season for these teams. Even more astoundingly, his winning percentage in these seasons – .546 – was lower than the .562 winning percentage posted by these teams!
    2. Bert had a good post-season record (5-1), but in 40 September starts for contending teams (i.e., his teams led or trailed at some point in September by five or fewer games) he was only 13-14 with a 3.04 ERA. He almost completely disappeared during the ’79 August and September drive to the NL pennant and WS championship (only 3 wins in 12 starts with a 3.77 ERA) while Candelaria and Kison stepped to the fore. He almost single-handedly killed the Pirates hope in ’80 by going 1-5 in Aug/Sept with a 4.38 ERA, contributing to the Pirates blowing the NL East lead.
    How could a Hall of Famer average only 12.5 wins per year over eight seasons for good, solid contending teams? How could a Hall of Famer consistently lower his game in the midst of eight pennant races?
    Bert’s not a Hall of Famer.

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