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Things aren't going well between the Giants and Tim Lincecum

Feb 4, 2010, 8:58 AM EST

Thumbnail image for tim lincecum cy young.jpgSo, how are those pre-arbitration negotiations goin’, fellas?

To say the recent discussions between the Giants and Thurman [Lincecum’s agent], who
exchanged arbitration numbers featuring the largest gap in the history
of the process, have not gone well is an understatement.

According to several sources, what’s been going on between the
Giants and Lincecum/Thurman shouldn’t really be characterized as
discussions at all.

“Dismissals” would be more accurate — as in the Lincecum camp
promptly dismissing every variation of the Giants’ proposed two-year
deals.

And with each perceived insult of an offer, Lincecum is said to
think less and less of the team he’s almost single-handedly put back on
the map.

Oh dear. And this on the same day that Justin Verlander signed a high eight-figure deal.  To be sure, not everyone is as worried as Comcast’s Mychael Urban is.  MLB.com’s Chris Haft talks to a bunch of agents who think that the parties will settle before arbitration. 

The problem to me, though, is that Haft’s sources are all talking about them settling on a one year deal as opposed to something long term.  Doing it that way means that everyone will be back here this time next year, and in the long run, that will probably cost the Giants a hell of a lot more money than trying to lock him up now.

And the Giants do want to keep Lincecum long-term, right? I mean, is there any other option here?

  1. all4tookie - Feb 4, 2010 at 9:12 AM

    Well, I am assuming they are trying to win the World Series, so they have to really be careful about having a future Hall of Famer in their rotation. You know how bad that can get.

  2. Ace - Feb 4, 2010 at 9:23 AM

    Exactly. If they want to win it all, they really need to split up Cain and Lincecum.

  3. Jonny5 - Feb 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM

    I’m thinking the Giants are hoping the pot bust was enough to help their arbitration case here… As a matter of fact, I wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if the phone call to the cops wasn’t from the Giants front office…. I see timmy getting what he asked for, which imo was a rock bottom discount to the team who put their neck out for him. I was shocked they turned it down….

  4. Curious George - Feb 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

    That’s it Sabes. Alienate your best player. Dole out cash without thinking to mediocrities in their 30s. But stick it to the young Turk who should be kept in his place.
    .
    No Brian, you are clearly not an idiot.

  5. Omega in Colorado - Feb 4, 2010 at 1:04 PM

    Drug charge or not, Lincecum is a franchise guy you can build an entire organization around.
    Young talent with a proven winning record will attract other great players and a committment to winning now and in the future will be infectious in the clubhouse.

  6. KDaddy - Feb 4, 2010 at 1:07 PM

    All this “what’s wrong the Giants for not signing Lincecum long term” talk misses the fact that ever since college, Lincecum has repeatedly said that he PLANNED to go year-to-year. He’s confident in his arm’s continued health and unusual conditioning, and he’s smart enough to realize he’ll maximize his earnings that way.
    So the question isn’t why don’t the Giants offer a long-term deal. The question is why on earth would Lincecum accept one?

  7. Fast Eddy - Feb 4, 2010 at 1:30 PM

    Why would he want to be stuck with this team? They have little prospect to win in the next few years. If I were him, I would go year to year, until I could latch on to a contender.

  8. dodgerblue - Feb 4, 2010 at 1:52 PM

    giants suck GO DODGER BLUE!!!!!!!!

  9. APBA Guy - Feb 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM

    Maybe this is all part of Billy Beane’s plan. The managing general partner of the Gigantes is the same guy who advised Microsoft on their monumental and stock deflating PR disaster of an anti-trust fight. Now he’s alienating Tim Lincecum. Meanwhile Billy observes all from across the Bay, shrewdly doling out one-year deals, saving his pennies until he can pounce and do a Lincecum for a gazillion prospects deal.
    If only….

  10. AJ Gallo - Feb 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM

    If the Giants aren’t serious about locking him up long term or serious about putting a good team together, then too bad the Yanks couldn’t put something like a Joba, Chad Gaudin, and either Jeffrey Marquez or Austin Jackson kind of package together for Lincecum.

  11. ed c - Feb 4, 2010 at 3:43 PM

    the giants have been plagued by bad management and poor decision making for many, many years

  12. Carol Volk - Feb 4, 2010 at 4:03 PM

    Here we go again. Only in SF and only with the Giants.
    There were two older players who would have been glad to stay and mentor younger players – Omar Visquel and Randy Winn. Well, thanks to the brilliance of the Giants they are gone.
    Now to Lincecum, their Ace. You do not treat your Ace with such disrespect. Every team in baseball would love to have a Tim Lincecum. When will this insanity end? I believe that a team that plays in a magnificent park (don’t kid yourself, the House that Bonds built) should rise to the occasion and show faith and courage. Sabean, tighten your spine.

  13. Gizz - Feb 4, 2010 at 4:34 PM

    All of the players are overpaid. Let this guy leave and pay somebody else to chuck the rock. It’s not science. $80 million?? Are you kidding??? Enough is enough!!

  14. Chewey Valdez - Feb 4, 2010 at 5:18 PM

    Bringing back the ol’ tar and feather days for Sabean will be the least of his worries if Lincecum bolts. The laid-back, fog drenched, Chardonnay drinking denizens of AT&T will make the French Revolution look like a day at Disneyland if Lincecum moves on, especially to LA or the Yankees.

  15. Eternal Optimist - Feb 4, 2010 at 5:47 PM

    I don’t see how a team can take a chance on overpaying a pitcher until he has his first arm trouble and learns how to pitch around it. I know that most think that this kid is the exception, but history is against him.

  16. Jimee Johnson - Feb 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM

    Chewey Valdez: your analogy is sick, where sick means very, very good!

  17. M's Fan - Feb 4, 2010 at 7:59 PM

    I hope SF screws this up because the Mariners will LOVE to have him in the rotation….

  18. tacklebox - Feb 4, 2010 at 8:08 PM

    This owner who went with Lincecum to the traffic/pot court needs to kick Sabean under a train handcuffed to Bochy. Until this veteran loving duo are gone, no young guy stands a chance in SF.

  19. Marshall - Feb 4, 2010 at 8:56 PM

    If the Giants don’t keep Timmy happy — and he is worth it — do thay have any idea how many fans they will alienate? Well they will when they see the empty seats and sales loss of Giants stuff.
    Get your heads out, Sabean et al!

  20. CHA CHA - Feb 4, 2010 at 9:50 PM

    “SURPRISE” THIS “TODAY/FRANCHISE PLAYER/KID (NOT PANDA OR ZITO) MAY OR MAY NOT TURN-OUT TO HAVE THE DEXTERITY N CAREER OF A JUAN MARICHAL,NOLAN RYAN OR RANDY/WALTER JOHNSON W/A RUBBER ARM TO BOOT OF A WARREN SPAHN…TOO BAD IDIOT “SABEAN’HEAD” ‘NUKE NUEKOM” WONT BE AROUND (IN MLB TO FIND OUT)THE FANS SHOULD CALL FOR SABEAN’HEAD RESIGNATION OR B FIRED, AS WELL AS BOYCOTT ALL SF GIANTS (MIDGETS)GAMES!!!
    AS THE LATE “PETE FRANKLIN” (BEST SF KNBR RADIO SPORTS-TALK HOST) WOULD SAY “ALL WE FANS WANT IS JUST ONE-STINKIN/FRICKIN WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP…JUST1 NOT 2-3-4 IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK OF THE SF GIANTS ORGANIZATION/MGT TEAM, PLAYERS” JUST “FLUSH’UM’ DA’BUMS(W/HIS INFAMOUS TOILET FLUSH)!!! DOES ANYONE HAVE THIS SOUND-BITE FROM PETE’S OLD 70’S/80’S RADIO SHOWS, TO POST?A KEEPER!!!

  21. Rays fan - Feb 4, 2010 at 11:06 PM

    Reprogramming brain wave transmitter…”yes, the Giants are insulting you Tim, you want to play in Tampa Baaaaayyyyy!”

  22. Big G - Feb 5, 2010 at 10:05 AM

    Hey Jonny5 are you an idiot or what. Pssesion of 3.5 grams doesn’t alter the perception of how good he is. Just looking at him & his dress proved to me he smoked pot. Has not affected his game at all. WOn the CY Young twice is 45 & 17 or something like that in his 3 years. Verlander get 8 million for being average & your surprised by him turning it down. Sorry dud maybe you bonged out too much yourself. He should be the highest paid pitcher in the NL period.

  23. Walter Bishop - Feb 5, 2010 at 10:50 AM

    The Giants should do the smart thing and trade Lincecum to the team that will be able to satisfy the Giants immediate needs, and the team that can give them the most bang for the buck are the 27 time, World Series Champions, the Legendary New York Yankees. They have the very best Farm system in all on MLB and they have MLB players that can help right away. So, it makes sense that the Yankees will be the team to acquire Lincecum if the Giants want to part with him.

  24. kevin stewart - Feb 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM

    He is the main piece of the puzzle for the Giants and the Manager Bocci – you guys need to get a deal done !!!!!

  25. Omega in Colorado - Feb 5, 2010 at 4:32 PM

    I don’t think if the Giants let Lincecum go, the fans will stay away in droves.
    Fans know guys come and go, yes even guys as good as him come and go, it is the team that is forever and that is where the loyalty lies.
    I am trying to figure out who the Rockos can give up to get Lincecum here…not that ownership here would part with that kind of cash for one player.

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