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K.C. Columnist: trade Greinke and Soria for prospects

Feb 9, 2010, 9:00 AM EDT

Zack Greinke headshot.jpgMy dad gave me one dollar bill ‘Cause I’m his smartest son, and I swapped it for two shiny quarters ’cause two is more than one.  And then I took the quarters and traded them to Lou for three dimes — I guess he don’t know that three is more than two:

In an American League Central that features four more talented teams than the Royals, it’s time to shake things up. Trade Zack Greinker and Joakim Soria

The Royals’ two most popular and talented players, the trades would leave many fans disappointed. However, it could also leave the Royals’ cupboard stacked with young
talent and within five years, the Royals could be a prime-time
contending team.

Even if we were to assume that the Royals should trade their best players for prospects — which I wouldn’t assume, but play along — do you really want to trust Dayton Moore to be the one to turn them into prospect gold? I sure wouldn’t.

Maybe you try to trade Soria — that is, if you determine that doing something fun like turning him into a starter won’t work — but if the Royals can’t at least pretend to build around Zack Greinke they should just pack it in and merge with the Cardinals or something.

  1. Omar Minaya - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:08 AM

    Anyone have Dayton Moore’s phone number?

  2. Church of the Perpetually Outraged - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM

    Trust the process Craig, trust The Process

  3. Old Gator - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:22 AM

    Well, Craig, at least I see why he sent you to law school. He really must have been worried about you. Remember that scene in The Jerk? “This is shit, this is Shinola.” “Boy, you is gonna be a-a-all right.” I think that must be why Wallace Stevens’ father sent him to law school – he was afraid the kid would spend all his time writing poetry. No doubt both dads were good dads. Both failed anyway.
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    Now then, the Royals. I get the distinct feeling that that sportswriter was really Jeffrey Loria’s nom de spume. This idea of stocking up on EYPs so that some day, when the Royals get their new stadium, wherever it winds up (I suggest Lawrence, and naming it after William S. Burroughs), they can field a team of highly paid long term contracted superstars and all the fans, especially the ones who died waiting, will think it was worth it.
    Really, Royals fans, you live in a great jazz town. Head over to Jardine’s or the Majestic and see if Lucky Wesley has a new band together. Dwelling on this shit will depress you.

  4. Old Gator - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:23 AM

    You sound like a Jungian analyst. Don’t bite, Craig – you’ll be on that couch forever.

  5. ralphdibny - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM

    In other news, Dayton Moore is being eaten by a boa constrictor, a boa constrictor, a boa constrictor, and he doesn’t like it one bit.

  6. Matt - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:26 AM

    So are the Royals on Year 17 or 18 of their old five-year plan?

  7. Matt M - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM

    Greinke’s safe; there’s no way Dayton Moore trades a guy with a career .222 OBP.

  8. Ron - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:42 AM

    The Royals won’t have a new stadium for at least 30 years. Royals fans are perfectally happy with Kaufman Stadium, and don’t need don’t feel the need to hold the goverment hostage for an unnecessary building, like in Florida.

  9. Grant - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:42 AM

    Exhibit F in the “It’s almost Spring Training and there’s nothing to write about please god let the pitchers and catchers report already” case file. Nothing to see here, please move along.

    Also, Matt M wins the thread.

  10. Fast Eddy - Feb 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM

    I don’t see this happening in the least. I remember the old owners who used to sell the better players for CASH. The only thing that it got them in the end, was selling out to serious owners who wanted to win. I.E. St. Louis Browns sold all of the talet they had after winning the pennant in the forties. When they got so bad that no one was watching, they sold out to a Baltimore group and today, we have the O’s. They had a winning tradition in Balt. because they didn’t do stupid things like sell off talent for cash or “prospects”. As we know, many prospects just crash and burn in the bigs. It doesn’t matter what they can do in AAA. Now, if the aforementioned are actually at the end of their careers, or KC doesn’t feel that they can repeat past performance, then they may look to trade them. Otherwise, build your team around them!

  11. Old Gator - Feb 9, 2010 at 10:06 AM

    I beg to differ. First of all, the government wasn’t “held hostage,” it was paid off. There’s a difference. Macondo has never had one towering figure of corruption like, oh, Tom Pendergast. It’s spread around Banana Republic style. What can you do for Tio Borracho’s plumbing company? Hermano Antonio’s electrical engineering firm? Ad infinitum. There were a lot of us here who were so sick of the salary dumping, perpetual restocking of the minor league teams (which they kept moving from place to place to disguise the fact that these kids were actually being farmed for ethanol) that we were actually hoping that Scrooge McLoria would take his Chihuahua of a son-in-law and his K-Mart roster and go become the San Antonio Sidewinders after all. Macondo Banana Massacre Field was strictly a backroom, under-the-table, stock my pockets deal.
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    Second, current Beisbol economics and spin doctoring tradition demands that when the fans get sick and tired of your penny-ante shennanigans you, Mr. Greasball Owner, start demanding a new modern stadium with lots of high yield skyboxes for your meat packing company chairmen, manure processors and collectors of Charlie Parker memorabilia in order to meat…heh heh, meet the challenge of today’s modern now-a-go-go salary levels. It has nothing whatsoever to do with how happy your fans are with your current stadium. Macondo Feesh fans have been told since 1993 how unhappy we were with (then) Joe Robbie (now) Joeprodolsharklife stadium – and since even the advertisers kept giving up the naming rights on a seasonal basis, we had every reason to believe it. Truth be told, there’s nothing wrong with the place, other than the endemic idiocy of having to change the name of it on the local edition of the Hagstrom’s Street Atlas every year (this year’s edition just has a blank line where you can fill in the name yourself with a fine point BIC). We didn’t care about the rainouts – they gave us an excuse to stay home and watch the new digitally remastered Godzilla DVD with its cheap sets and dinosaur suit that actually worked onscreen instead of the bargain basement team with its silly uniforms and malfunctioning bullpen that our cheapskate owners were putting on the field when they realized they couldn’t trade on a world championship for more than a year at a time.
    .
    We have a better than even chance of finishing ahead of the Gnats, and maybe Omar Minaya’s incompetence even gives us a leg up on the Mutts this year. Maybe. What about the Royals? Heh. Another hundred game crapout and you will begin to hear about the need for that shining new horseshoe shaped mausoleum if you want your owner to be able to field the winner he really deep in his heart wants to spend multimillions to bring you. Really.
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    I would go into the economics of this in more detail except that Belushi keeps farting and I can’t concentrate right now. He’s about to get thrown out back where the Burmese pythons have all pretty much thawed out by now.

  12. ralf - Feb 9, 2010 at 10:10 AM

    The writer suggests that Greinke would net five or six top prospects. He then concedes that half of them would probably be busts. A few paragraphs later, he asks the reader to envision several consecutive seasons of the Royals debuting three or four promising rookies- per year! Clearly this guy should be writing for the Wall Street Journal.

  13. ralf - Feb 9, 2010 at 10:13 AM

    The writer suggests that Greinke would net five or six top prospects. He then concedes that half of them would probably be busts. A few paragraphs later, he asks the reader to envision several consecutive seasons of the Royals debuting three or four promising rookies- per year! Clearly this guy should be writing for the Wall Street Journal.

  14. Jason @ IIATMS - Feb 9, 2010 at 10:16 AM

    Seriously, Shel Silverstein? Craig, you keep raising the bar like this and someone’s gonna pay you to write full time.

  15. Joey B - Feb 9, 2010 at 10:54 AM

    “There were a lot of us here who were so sick of the salary dumping, perpetual restocking of the minor league teams”
    What a bunch of whiny crap. FL has given its fans a pretty good product over the years. They’ve been slightly over .500 over the past 7 years, with 2 WSC in the past 13 years. There are a lot of small market teams that would kill for that.
    Yet you guys, you know, the ‘lots of us’, never went to any games. It’s like me asking the local diner to stock some filet mignon, some escargot, and a couple of premium wines, because someday I might deign to visit them.
    Obviously Loria is just pocketing the revenue sharing, but the ‘lots of us’ certainly isn’t giving him any incentive to provide a better product. Once you cheap, pennypinching SOBs actually part with some of your money, then maybe you get a voice. In the last 11 years, the average attendence for FL is 28.45 out of 30.
    This is a sense of entitlement run amock.

  16. Old Gator - Feb 9, 2010 at 11:35 AM

    Horse leavings. What Loria, like Huizinga (and then poor overmatched John Henry, so well intended but so inept at Banana Republic as well as cracker politics) failed to do was follow up on the transient successes they accomplished. Yeah, 1997 and 2003 were great years – and then we saw both championship teams castrated and dismantled the minute we didn’t show up in megamultitudes. Build a fan base? Cultivate your community? Surely you jest. In an age when Bernie Madoff can get you a 40% return per annum, why bother? And resenting having the lowest payroll in beisbol seven out of the last ten years is “a sense of entitlement run amok?” Oy! Sounds more to me like a sense of proportion turned Lilliputian.

  17. GBSimons - Feb 9, 2010 at 11:35 AM

    “they should just pack it in and merge with the Cardinals or something.”
    As a Cardinals fan, Greinke in the rotation, Soria in the pen – heck we’ll put Alex Gordon at third and solve that debate – would be a dream within a dream.
    Alas, ’tis a dream too rich to consider. We aren’t the Yankees, after all.

  18. Rays fan - Feb 9, 2010 at 11:36 AM

    Not to defend the author too much, but he is in essence espousing the M.O. that the Rays followed after coming to the stunning realization that has-been, overpaid veterans don’t fill seats or win games. It took several more painful seasons, but it did ultimately work–develop players, trade them when they have good value for more prospects, repeat & if the scouting department’s good, eventually their are enough good players to be competitive even in a small market. The drawbacks–the Rays have never had a pitcher as good as Greinke so the comparison’s not apples-to-apples, & if the scouts miss, then your team remains cellar dwellars.

  19. ecp - Feb 9, 2010 at 11:48 AM

    Nick Sloan is certifiable; this guy writes more uninformed lunacy about baseball than anybody else in the area (well, with the possible exception of Jason Whitlock, but that’s another story). What can you say about a guy who compares this suggestion to the Herscel Walker trade and says “the Royals would likely receive a very high draft pick by doing these trades?” C’mon, man, it ain’t football, and you can’t trade for draft picks.

  20. Craig Calcaterra - Feb 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM

    I took that to mean that if they trade Greinke and Soria they’d lose even more than they’re poised to, ensuring the top pick in next year’s draft, and maybe a couple of drafts thereafter.

  21. Joey B - Feb 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM

    “And resenting having the lowest payroll in beisbol seven out of the last ten years is “a sense of entitlement run amok?” Oy! Sounds more to me like a sense of proportion turned Lilliputian.”
    The isn’t an issue of low payroll. You’ve still been a good team in a lot of those years. Didn’t you win a WS in one of those ten years? And how many fans showed up? 1.3M. That’s 16k a game. I can get that many for a Friday night kegger.
    And what was FL’s reward for delivering another WS title? In 2004, your attendence skyrocketed to 26th out of 30. Wow!
    You guys deserve the ownership you have. You guys are asking ownership to buy you something that you refuse to chip in for. KC outdrew you by 300k last year. Fellow small market team Mil outdrew you by double. Det in the midst of an economic disaster almost doubled your attendence. The Nationals, in the midst of finishing last for the last 20 yeaqrs, was 400k better. PT, having established the record for most consecutive sub-.500 seasons, outdrew you.
    On second thought, I think Loria is spending too much on you guys.

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