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Someone actually cares about MLB's gun policy

Feb 21, 2010, 10:11 AM EST

When Major League Baseball decided Saturday to officially outlaw guns in clubhouses we figured the story would draw a few laughs and maybe some snarky remarks.  What we didn’t expect, however, was serious, disappointed reaction from a current professional.

According to the always reliable St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Cardinals closer Ryan Franklin didn’t take too kindly to the rule change:
“If you grew up around it, being in the outdoors and stuff, I was taught as a young kid to respect firearms,” Franklin said after a Saturday workout. “First of all, you don’t get stupid with it.  Always treat a gun like it’s loaded.  That’s what I taught my son and daugthers.  There’s a place for them. … If it wasn’t for the NFL guy a couple years ago brining a weapon to a nightclub … you’ve just got to be smart.
To us, “smart” is ensuring that no firearm ever finds its way into an MLB workplace, period.  And that’s exactly why the new policy was put into effect.
  1. Tim - Feb 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

    Add UofA Huntsville to the list also!

  2. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM

    Guns DON’T belong in any workplace, period. Keep your guns at home. Act with some degree of maturity and responsibility.
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    The sad thing about your view here is AFTER someone comes into your ‘gun free’ workplace WITH a gun and shoots you and your cooworkers, you’ll be the first one wishing that you HAD HAD the ability to stop the nut by being allowed to have had manner of self defense.
    Ive seen far too many, including politicians, who have a change of heart AFTER the attack.
    By then its often too late.
    But you keep living in your little pacifist dreamworld and HOPEFULLY when the felon shows up someone who DOES carry will be around to save you…
    Ill carry EVERYWHERE I can legally carry…whether you like it or not.
    .

  3. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

    If you first take all guns from all criminals, then it might be safe to take them from the honest citizens. What the MLB rule does is tell every thug that MLB players leaving the clubhouse are rich guys who carry cash, fancy watches, and jewelry and will now be unarmed. STUPID!!!
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    Exactly !
    Now the felons KNOW that these players are easy prey because they ARENT going to be carrying anything they can defend themselves with.
    I mean, I dont think they carry a cop in their pockets…

  4. rpearlston - Feb 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM

    No, 60, 70 perhaps even 100+ people would have died.
    People panic in situations such as that, and when you add guns to the equation, the death toll rises. It can’t help but do so.
    Guns have no place on university campuses, no place in locker rooms, no place in the hands of anyone but the police.
    And please, don’t insult my intelligence, or yours, or that of anyone else by telling me “guns don’t kill people – people kill people”. The death rate by firearms is much higher in the US and in other countries in which widespread gun ownership is legal than it is in those countries in which guns are difficult to get legally. That also means that there are generally fewer guns in the hands of criminals. And with fewer guns around, rate of gunshot injuries and deaths falls precipitously.

  5. Bubba in SF - Feb 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM

    Jim & Sean. Guns carried into the workplace, really? Criminals going into the locker room? Have you ever tried to get into the locker room in a professional team stadium? They have security all over the place. Not just a rent-a-cop. Sean and the Virginia Tech idea is just as bad. The mental health people and the school got it wrong. You want 19 year old testosterone laden young men carrying guns? That is as bad an idea as the recently popular carrying guns in bars. I’m not against guns. I have a 12 ga 590 Mossberg 8 shot pump to protect my family if that should ever happen. Growing up in Chicago, I learned how to steer clear of trouble. Street sense lets you know when you see something going down or about to. So you give it a wide berth. Our country is the most violent of all the industrialized nations. I think the NRA is nuts because they believe in no sensible approach and start inciting people and play on fear. Jim & Sean are just drinking the koolaid.

  6. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM

    http://web77.org/gunssavelives/

  7. BC - Feb 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

    Zero guns would mean zero deaths. Why would you think a shootout on a college campus is a pretty good idea?

  8. Doc - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM

    I don’t think anyone other then security,or police should carry guns to the workplace. The company I work for is a terroist target and we can’t carry a gun even in our vehicles onto company property. So Franklin, welcome to the rules the rest of us have to live by.

  9. Shelby - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM

    Why the hell should a firearm be in a clubhouse? What good reason would anyone have for that?

  10. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:04 PM

    really – you think guns in sports locker rooms are a good idea? Really – these sports are aggressive in nature and have a lot of young men who have a sense of entitlement – in a recent locker room confrontation at least one gun was drawn and there was a threat made. Unfortunately, no everyone grew up being taught the right way to handle weapons – nor were they taught the discipline. Therefore, fewer weapons makes sense to me.
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    Frankly that someone thinks like this scares me.
    So YOU believe that a grown man CANT have a gun in his possession and be angry and NOT go on killing rampage, right ?
    Let me tell you a story, gent.
    When my exwife disappeared with her lover for a day, then came back home WITH him in his truck, I stood in the yard for 2 hours arguing with the both of them about it all and had a 357 magnum in my pocket the entire time.
    NOT ONCE did the gun even cross my mind !
    Its a laughable joke of an argument that says that just because a man is angry and has a gun that he’s going to even THINK about using it unlawfully !
    If a man DOES use and draw a gun then HE is the criminal and needs to be dealt with and HE is the REASON WE need to be able to have DEFENSE against his worthless type.
    Are you getting it yet ?
    .

  11. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM

    Zero guns would mean zero deaths. Why would you think a shootout on a college campus is a pretty good idea?
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    Dude…you have GOT to be kidding.
    Do I need to mention 9/11 and OK City AGAIN ??!!!
    What about the jerk who just ran his private plane into the IRS building the other day ????
    Ever hear of a PIPE BOMB ?
    How about a pair of rusty scissors ?
    There are plenty of ways to kill people without a gun.
    Where do you people come from ?

  12. Open minded Liberal - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:11 PM

    The problem is that leaving your gun in your car is not a very secure, responsible alternative. In 15 seconds your gun could end up in the hands of a criminal. The clubhouse locker room offers considerably more security. If the person can legally carry the weapon, that should extend to the clubhouse also. I could see a “reasonable” compromise being a prohibition on loaded guns. Leave the ammo in the car, take the empty gun with you. Alternatively, provide a secure, guarded check facility for any valuables or weapons.
    The fact is that, many players, in all sports have been doing this for years without incident. Ask anybody on the inside. MLB is doing this because they think it’s politically correct, it has little to do with safety. Remember, we’re talking about a sport where on the field of play, the players carry weapons! Yeah, you probably didn’t think about it that way, but with one swing of their big wooden clubs and you can turn a man’s head into mush! Ever hear of a bat fight in the clubhouse? Probably not. It’s as unlikely as a gun fight.
    Keep the guns off the field of play, that seems reasonable, and at least theoretically it protects the fans. I might add that you’d probably be surprised at how many guns make it into a stadium in possession of fans. I’ve spotted them many times in Chicago, where it’s virtually impossible to legally carry guns. Seen them in other stadiums too. Most people just don’t know how to spot them. Statistically, legally carried guns almost never cause a problem. People need to grow up. Guns are all around you, you just don’t know it. For every legal one, there’s probably 4 or 5 illegal ones.
    I’m a Liberal, but I don’t have any issues with legal gun ownership or legal carry. No corporation or business should be able to supersede the law, which is exactly what MLB is doing here.

  13. TangoFoxtrot - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:13 PM

    David you make an excellent point. I would also add that criminals carry guns everyday when laws in each state prohibit it. Until the courts start using harsher penalties for gun law violations criminals will carry guns and law abiding citizens will be unarmed.

  14. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM

    Growing up in Chicago, I learned how to steer clear of trouble. Street sense lets you know when you see something going down or about to. So you give it a wide berth.
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    Oh for pities sake…what a load of ignorance.
    My mother and daughter were attacked in a GOOD neighborhood here in town, in broad daylight with a DEPUTY SHERIFF about 40 away inside the store they were going into !
    ‘give it wide berth’.
    Get off the pot, man.
    Violence come when you DONT expect it in places where you DONT think it will happen !
    You sound like you think criminals only come at specific times at certain places, or something.
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    Our country is the most violent of all the industrialized nations.
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    uh…yeah…and THAT is the REASON our CITIZENSHIP NEEDS to be able to DEFEND itself.
    This isnt rocket science folks.
    WHEN the bad guys give up their lives of crime and start doing flower arrangments for the Krisha’s…THEN we might be able to stop worrying DEFENDING ourselves.
    But of course, some dumb*** will aways be letting his Pit Bull run free in the streets, so I’ll be carrying anyway because Im not getting bit again for anyone.
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    I think the NRA is nuts because they believe in no sensible approach and start inciting people and play on fear. Jim & Sean are just drinking the koolaid.===============================
    Thats right..we have nothing to fear.
    I mean, Obama, nor Holder….or Rosie herself….none of them have EVER mentioned the idea of gun control….right ?

  15. Bobert1l - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:16 PM

    I forgot to mention my opinion on gun laws.
    I like to shoot guns at the gun range, but I don’t own one or have one at my house. I think that all Americans should be able to own and keep guns in their home. But they have to be purchased legally and the person should be trained to use it only when necessary (to protect him/herself and his/her family and possessions). BUT… I also believe in FULL RESPONSIBILITY. That means that if you purchase a weapon, you and only you are responsible for it. If your child accidentally shoots a family member or a friend, YOU as the gun owner must go to jail for 5 years for the manslaughter charge. Afterall, you are responsible for having that gun in your home. Also, if the gun is stolen from your home (therefore you did not properly secure it), and it is used to hurt or kill someone (either accidentally or otherwise), YOU are responsible for that injury or death and you should go to jail. And of course, the actual shooter should also go to jail (and whoever stole it should also go to jail if he/she is a different person than the shooter).
    Most people who want to own a gun don’t want to take FULL responsibility. “Someone stole it from me, so it’s not my fault.” Or “Somehow my child found the gun and pulled the trigger. I didn’t think it was loaded. It’s a tragic accident but it’s not my fault.” BULLSHIT! Those should not be viable excuses anymore. Similar example: If you get a pit bull dog and it attacks your 7-year old neighbor, you are responsible (even if the dog dug a hole under the fence and got out of your yard). You didn’t do everything to prevent the escape of the dog, so you will pay the piper (jail time or HUGE fine with probation). The same should be true for gun accidents. You should be responsible for anything that happens with that gun that you purchased.
    Regards,
    Bobert

  16. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:16 PM

    I don’t think anyone other then security,or police should carry guns to the workplace.
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    Thats right.
    I mean, we ALL know that no one has EVER come into ANY place of ‘business’ (restaurants, banks, etc) to hurt anyone, right ?
    We should all just live in oblivious bliss and pretend it never happens….until it does happen to us….isnt that right ? :-)

  17. Brian - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM

    You know, when I was a kid I worried about getting in a fist fight. Now, people are afraid to look at anyone for fear they’re packing. Yeah we’re alot safer if we all carry guns. Right. (By the way, I was in the military and love shooting sports but I don’t own a gun and feel the need to carry one to work).

  18. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:20 PM

    The problem is that leaving your gun in your car is not a very secure, responsible alternative. In 15 seconds your gun could end up in the hands of a criminal.
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    Ive only done it once and I wont do it again.
    The idea that if some felon stole my car then they’d have my gun to hurt someone with was too much.
    I’ll leave the gun at home before leaving it in the car again.
    Altho the intelligent remedy for the problem is for shopping malls to stop acting like law abiding citizen are going to come in shooting the place up.
    Its the FELONS who WONT OBEY their pathetic signs that will be doing that.
    ..if only one of US were there to stop the guy….

  19. Question - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:20 PM

    Why should the police need guns in a MLB park? If guns are not allowed by the fans (which is the case in Georgia, can not speak for other states) or by players (MLB Rule), there is no reason for police to have guns.

  20. wmtipton - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:22 PM

    You know, when I was a kid I worried about getting in a fist fight. Now, people are afraid to look at anyone for fear they’re packing. Yeah we’re alot safer if we all carry guns. Right. (By the way, I was in the military and love shooting sports but I don’t own a gun and feel the need to carry one to work).
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    hmmmm.
    So YOUR reasoning is that YOU SHOULD be able to physically attack someone without FEAR of their being able to stop you in a way that YOU dont like ?????
    People who might ‘get into a fist fight’ with someone NEED TO BE AFRAID of the person who YOU might not think CAN defend themselves, friend.
    .

  21. J - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM

    Why to ensure that tere will be more ass holes like you!

  22. maniac32 - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM

    Don’t like your employers rule? Go find a job somewhere else that pays you extravigant dollars for “playing ball”. Sheesshhh!!! Take it or leave it…

  23. Mark L - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM

    …and then again, with everyone armed there may have been more deaths because the police would not have known who the “real” shooters were.

  24. Douglas M - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM

    Unbelievable, the tone of these comments ! Do we really have to resort to calling each other names to prove a point ? Come on, people … have a little respect for each other. Maybe if the American public shows a little class and a little respect, our American Congress will !

  25. M Rixosa - Feb 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM

    Sir, he belongs to the same militia you do. I wish people would do a teensy bit of reading before shooting their mouths off in ignorance.
    According to the Militia Act of 1792, which is still in effect, all males from (I haven’t re=read it so the ages may be off) 18 to 55 are in the militia. I suspect a court would insist that “males” be changed to “citizens” if anyone took it to court, but that’s what is says now.
    So yes, the baseball player is almost certainly in the militia.
    And just to deal with the other tired objections:
    Words mean what they meant when they were written. A “well-regulated” militia meant a militia well-drilled according to the manual of drill, which was called the Drill Regulations. In other words, well-regulated meant “well-trained”, not limited to death by laws.
    Finally, the Supreme Court has (after years of absurd waffling) recognized what the Founders said quite plainly: the right to bear arms is an individual one, not one dependent on being in the National Guard or any other organization (District of Columbia v. Heller).
    Next, the utility of guns. The ONLY protection you have if attacked is your hands and a firearm, if you happen to carry one. I called my (large) city police and asked them how many violent crimes they had stopped in the last ten years. Their answer: We don’t know, because it happens so rarely we don’t bother to track it. In other words, if someone attacks you, the cops are almost never going to help you.
    Does a firearm attack happen at work often? Of course not. But given the fact above, IF IT DOES YOUR ONLY DECENT CHANCE OF SURVIVAL IS THE ABILITY TO FIGHT BACK.
    Risk is the product of two things: How likely the event is to happen AND the seriousness of the damage if it does.
    Unlikely to happen X usually fatal if it does = very high risk.
    However, another poster is quite correct: ON private property, Constitutional protections don’t generally apply. I can tell you to leave your gun outside my property – and so can the Baseball League. But we (and the player) can also protest that action, or even take legal action throught he players union.
    As to how likely this is to happen at work, obviously it DID happen just recently in a MLB locker room, so saying it is “unlikely” is kind of absurd. Given the risk analysis I just explained, the “unlikeliness” is also irrelevant.
    Teaching people the right way to do things (safe gun use)is always better than limiting freedom. Limiting freedom because “bad things happen” will inevitably lead to no freedom – because bad things will happen no matter what you do.
    Americans need to accept the fact that freedom means risk.
    Last of all, to the foreigner – whatever country you come from – arguing about our “40,000 people kileld by guns”.
    o-First, that’s a lie. The last year for which figures are availabe, 2008, saw about 28,000 people dying from gunshot
    o-55%of those were suicides. To argue that a suicidal person will only kill themselves if a gun is available is too absurd to argue about. That cuts it to 14000.
    o-40% were homicides. Again, to argue that a murderer will only kill if a gun is handy is suspect at best – but let’s be generous and say that 75% of murderers would ONLY kill if they could get their hands on a nice Glock. That still cuts 2,800 more deaths out of the “preventable by no guns” category.
    o-AT least 2% of killings were self-defense (560). It is generally acknowledge this number is heavily under-reported becasue most cop shops don’t track it (doesn’t support their anti-gun agenda). I asked, and my city cop shop does not track. So lets say that’s another 1,000 gun deaths that
    o-AT WORST, you have about 10,000 deaths by gunshot that might – MIGHT – not have happened without guns.
    Against that, how many crimes are stopped by guns? We dont know for sure (guess waht…cops don’t generally track that either) but the Lott research suggests that about 400 people a day save their lives or property by USING guns (usually just pulling them out – having to use them is rare). Do that math – that is nearly 190,000 people who save themselves, their family, or their livelihoods by using firearms.
    190,000 – 10,000 means 180,000 to the good.
    Sigh.
    But few of youa are intersted in either facts or discussion. You woul rather call one another moron or idiot. Looking things up -even with the Net – is just too much work. And probably true, because most of you don’t decide based on facts anyway. Its all emotion.
    Have a nice day.
    M RIXOSA

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