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"Everybody else gets screwed" except the Yankees and Red Sox

Mar 8, 2010, 8:30 AM EDT

Bud Selig has his little committee to talk about speed of the game, the postseason schedule and other rules changes.  The USA Today put their own committee together — including guys like Dusty Baker, Torii Hunter, Scott Boras and former umpire Steve Palermo — to talk about many of the same things, and unlike Bud’s group, USA Today showed its work.  The most interesting thing to me: everyone says that those pitch-striker strike zone boxes used on TV broadcasts are ridiculously off, which is something I’ve suspected for a while. “They should say at the bottom of the screen, ‘This is for entertainment purposes only,’” Palermo says.

The most controversial stuff — but I think the most righteous — comes when the subject of speed-of-the-game comes up:

“When you got a 15-13 game, it’s going to take
3½ hours,” Palermo says. “But I don’t think it should take 3 hours, 5
minutes to play a 2-1 game. You’re putting everybody in a deep freeze
by doing that. You might as well have Dean Smith come out and do Four Corners.”

The trouble, Palermo says, is there are certain teams and individuals who continually ignore baseball’s directives.

“This is a hot button with the commissioner,”
Palermo says. “We’ve got a couple teams — I’m not going to name names,
but I think everybody knows who they are — and they’re arrogant. They
don’t think this pertains to them. I had a president of one of those
ballclubs tell me the system is flawed. I told him, ‘Then how did the
28 other teams conform to what we’re asking except for you and your
next-door neighbor that you have a rivalry with?’

Says Los Angeles Angels outfielder Torii Hunter,
realizing along with the other panelists that Palermo is alluding to
the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox “Everybody else gets screwed but those two teams.”

You don’t need a panel of experts to tell you that the Yankees and Red Sox have turned baseball into a snooze-fest, but it’s somewhat surprising to hear people in and around the game being so up front about it. They’re particularly tough on Papelbon, who always takes extra pitches in the bullpen after being summoned, thus lengthening the time for pitching changes, but they go on about the Yankees’ excessive mound visits too.  For my money they could pile on about how long and how often guys on those teams step out of the batters’ box in between pitches too.

We get it, Red Sox and Yankees: you’re important.  But you’re not THAT damn important, so get on with it, will ya?

  1. MarkH - Mar 8, 2010 at 9:20 AM

    Aww, boo hoo, the Yankees and Red Sox are taking advantage of…the fact that they’re not being punished for taking advantage? Either enforce the rules as written, or hey all those other poor teams can clearly take advantage too if they want, since there’s clearly no downside. Either way: stop whining.

  2. MarkD - Mar 8, 2010 at 9:32 AM

    Here is what drags the speed of the game down…batthers stepping out of the box and adjusting batting gloves, helmets, jock straps, etc. when they didn’t even swing at the previous pitch. What’s to adjust? You didn’t do anything, so why do you have to fix all your equipment? The worst offender in my opinion is Derek Jeter…and David “Big Papi” Ortiz is a close second. New rule: You don’t swing, you don’t get to step out and re-adjust your equipment.

  3. YankeesfanLen - Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 AM

    What? A baseball game doesn’t last 3 hours? Never heard of it. Mound visits are the only form of socialization Jorge has. And those pesky runners at first need Andy’s undivided attention. And Derek needs to adjust his gloves 3 times per pitch and point to the big-bucks seats.
    Why wouldn’t I want to stay up til midnight when we play the Sux, it’s only 18 times during the season.

  4. Church of the Perpetually Outraged - Mar 8, 2010 at 9:48 AM

    They’re particularly tough on Papelbon, who always takes extra pitches in the bullpen after being summoned, thus lengthening the time for pitching changes, but they go on about the Yankees’ excessive mound visits too.

    And according to this article in the Boston Globe, Papelbon was fined five times last year for slow play. So pretty much people are complaining for the sake of complaining, or they don’t know what the F is going on?
    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/09/04/papelbon_fine_after_being_hit_in_wallet/

  5. Denver Paul - Mar 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM

    Hunter, Palermo: Get real jobs. It’s cry babies like you who are overpaid, not that good, and ,Hunter? You add zip to the discussion.

  6. AJ Gallo - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM

    Really? Seriously? This is what they want to whine about now? Is this high school?

  7. Peter, Pan - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM

    Baseball is a dying sport.
    Get a Salary Cap, then call me.
    Until then let ESPN call it Yankees / Sox.
    Nothing else matters in baseball.
    Like the Royals or Texas are going to be good?
    Way too many BAD teams to care.
    I’mn waiting on Arena Football screw Yankee / Sox oops I ment Baseball.

  8. Arena What? - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM

    Do you actually thing Arena football is gonna hurt baseball? you’re crazy.

  9. YANKEES1996 - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:38 AM

    The numerous trips to and from the mound does get slightly annoying and I believe that MLB has even fined Papelbon for his “violations” which I think is truly ridiculous. If these guys have nothing better to do than this then someone needs to find something for them to do.
    The adjusting of batting gloves, elbow protectors and all the other pieces of equipment between pitches wastes more time than either one of the previous two.
    MLB has done this before looking into ways to speed up the game and nothing has changed, because they are not serious about the issue. They are just wasting time looking into this to begin with as is evidenced by the people that are shooting thier mouths off about it. Besides long games is good to drive up advertising costs!

  10. Bernie - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:56 AM

    The problem is the commercials. Umpires can’t start an inning until the T.V. execs give them a signal that the between innings commercials or the new pitcher commercials or the someone was injured commercials are over. There have been times when these non-basebal aholes actually run out on the field to be sure the umps don’t start until all the commercials are done. Bud “Shill” Selig and the rest of baseball will never address this problem because it pays the bills. T.V. owns baseball and decides what’s good and whats not good for the game.

  11. Joey B - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM

    I have the same philosophy in real life. Either enforce the rules or get rid of them. I’m a RS fan, but the rules apply to everyone. If they don’t enforce the rules, don’t whine about it.

  12. Dave - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM

    Has anyone else been fined for delay other than Papelbon? Anyone? Serious question, as he’s the only person I’ve heard of.

  13. Ethan Stock - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:09 AM

    Isn’t the fundamental driver for longer games the fact that a lot of money is made off of concessions, and once the game ends, everyone dries up and goes home? Movie theaters, who face a similar dynamic, need a movie to end because they can start it again later with a fresh crowd, an empty stomach, and a fresh ticket sale. That keeps most movies in the 2-hour range. But after a baseball game ends, the stadium goes dark, cold, and empty. Why wouldn’t all the owners want the popcorn machines to stay hot, the beer kegs to stay chilled, and the gears of commerce to keep grinding for an extra 45 minutes?
    Baseball teams don’t publish public reports. But the annual reports of a similar public company, LiveNation, who owns concert venues and promotes concerts, reports nearly $20 in concession revenue per attendee in its owned venues. That’s for a friggin’ rock concert, where you’re standing and grooving, and you don’t bring your six-year-old kids. Baseball is likely higher, and that’s all really high-margin revenue. Any discussion of game length that doesn’t factor this in is just silly. I bet Bud Selig and the owner’s group know to the nearest $1 how much concession revenue is made per minute of an average MLB game.
    And don’t even get me started on the extra commercial breaks a longer game yields. Kiss short baseball games goodbye unless attendance drops.

  14. tank74 - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:20 AM

    Yes, I’m a huge Yankee fan from the Bronx. But whereas I have to agree that I was getting fed up with Posada continually visiting the mound, how does this translate into everyone gets screwed by the Yanks and Red Sox?! As for the visits, they started limiting managers visits, start limiting ALL TOTAL visits, or charge a ball count.

  15. Josh in DC - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM

    This Red Sox fan has no patience at ALL for the dithering.
    It’s safe to say that Sox and Yankees fans are more victimized by all the time-wasting because while we watch all* 162 games they play, you people only see them the 158 times** that their games are on Fox or ESPN.
    * Not really
    ** Might be an undercount
    If it were up to me, baseball would install a pitch clock. Twenty seconds between pitches. If the batter isn’t in the box when the clock expires, it’s a strike. The ball isn’t thrown, it’s a ball. Twenty seconds — have all the mound conferences you want. Take your time on the pitching changes. You still have twenty seconds to throw the stupid pitch, or it’s a ball.
    Jorge Posada is a war criminal.

  16. Come on now - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:31 AM

    Yankees and Red Sox (as much as it pains me to say about Sox)have been two very successful teams. Maybe other teams should take note.

  17. Anders C - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:35 AM

    The Red Sox and Yankees make this league. Without these two teams the league would be a bust. Its like taking the celtics and lakers out of the nba or the patriots and colts out of the nfl. The mlb cant and wont do anything to stop the red sox and yankees because when these two teams play eachother the ratings spike. This rivalry goes beyond baseball. If you asked every person at fenway park on the night of april 4th if it was worth it staying for the whole 3 1/2 hour game, every single one of them would say yes. Because it is a different mentality in boston and new york. It is a culture. Going to baseball games in cities like LA is more of a social gathering. People in boston arent going to spend $80 on a bleacher seat social event. They are going to get ther at least an hour early and wont leave til the final out no matter the score. In LA the stadium doesnt fill up til the 3rd inning if it does fill up. Going to a Red Sox game or a Yankees game is an outing and the highlight of the month. A lucky person gets to go to a game. you are extremely priveledged if you get to go to atleast 3. Now let the players do their thing cuz the real fans dont care.

  18. anders c - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:37 AM

    The Red Sox and Yankees make this league. Without these two teams the league would be a bust. Its like taking the celtics and lakers out of the nba or the patriots and colts out of the nfl. The mlb cant and wont do anything to stop the red sox and yankees because when these two teams play eachother the ratings spike. This rivalry goes beyond baseball. If you asked every person at fenway park on the night of april 4th if it was worth it staying for the whole 3 1/2 hour game, every single one of them would say yes. Because it is a different mentality in boston and new york. It is a culture. Going to baseball games in cities like LA is more of a social gathering. People in boston arent going to spend $80 on a bleacher seat social event. They are going to get ther at least an hour early and wont leave til the final out no matter the score. In LA the stadium doesnt fill up til the 3rd inning if it does fill up. Going to a Red Sox game or a Yankees game is an outing and the highlight of the month. A lucky person gets to go to a game. you are extremely priveledged if you get to go to atleast 3. Now let the players do their thing cuz the real fans dont care.

  19. Forgot one thing... - Mar 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM

    Craig – You forgot to mention this is all A-Rod’s fault……

  20. Dave - Mar 8, 2010 at 12:19 PM

    Man you’re gonna need one huge farm full of cows to make enough cheese…
    Wha waaa waaa
    If the Yankees and Red Sox and other big market teams “get away” with it that’s because people watch those games and they bring in the most revenue. Does it suck when a game runs on the wrong side of 3 hours? Definitely, but how often do games last less than 3 hours now?
    And Torii Hunter is the biggest freaking cry baby in baseball there is. He complains about everything, ESPECIALLY the Yankees and Red Sox pay roll. (Nevermind he plays for the 6th highest spending team, so not like he plays for the Marlins…)
    And by far the WORST when it comes to adjustment of equipment is Nomar…. hands down.
    The no-need for adjusting if you don’t swing thing too is silly. They’re not adjusting the equipment for physical reasons. It’s all mental reasons, part of a procedure… basically they’re OCD :P

  21. njlurker - Mar 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM

    “You don’t need a panel of experts to tell you that the Yankees and Red Sox have turned baseball into a snooze-fest”
    Yeah, everyone knows how boring a Yankee/Sox game is. I’ll take an interleague Royals/Nat game any day!

  22. Utley's hair - Mar 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM

    So, what you’re saying is it’s okay to flaunt your disregard of the rules as long as you’re successful? As long as we win, the rules don’t apply to me? Makes sense to me. What an idiotic claim.

  23. MJ888 - Mar 8, 2010 at 12:53 PM

    Yes, blame the Yankees and the Red Sox for long games! How about taking the Yankees and Red Sox out of baseball since everyone seems to hate them. But wait……all you idiots love to complain but every teams fights over how many times and on which weekend the Yanks and Sox come to play in their stadium. Oh yeah, those are the only times they can sellout the stadium is when the Yanks and Sox come to town. Earlier this month, I tried to get tickets to the three games Yankees-Dbacks series in June at Chase. I HAD to buy THREE other games before I am allowed to buy the Yankee games. And this goes on at every stadium the Yankees and Red Sox visit. The owners LOVE IT when they host the Yankees and Red Sox. So complain all you want. The Yankees and the Red Sox ARE BASEBALL. They make most of the money for baseball. So if they want to play 5 hour entertaining games that the sponsors love then so be it.

  24. sweetloudunbar - Mar 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM

    talk about a snooze fest.
    Everybody hates a winner. Period point blank.
    What a whiny non-story.

  25. thanks - Mar 8, 2010 at 1:12 PM

    Useless article, complete waste of time reading it. So, I had to waste more time commenting on it.

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