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"Everybody else gets screwed" except the Yankees and Red Sox

Mar 8, 2010, 8:30 AM EDT

Bud Selig has his little committee to talk about speed of the game, the postseason schedule and other rules changes.  The USA Today put their own committee together — including guys like Dusty Baker, Torii Hunter, Scott Boras and former umpire Steve Palermo — to talk about many of the same things, and unlike Bud’s group, USA Today showed its work.  The most interesting thing to me: everyone says that those pitch-striker strike zone boxes used on TV broadcasts are ridiculously off, which is something I’ve suspected for a while. “They should say at the bottom of the screen, ‘This is for entertainment purposes only,'” Palermo says.

The most controversial stuff — but I think the most righteous — comes when the subject of speed-of-the-game comes up:

“When you got a 15-13 game, it’s going to take
3½ hours,” Palermo says. “But I don’t think it should take 3 hours, 5
minutes to play a 2-1 game. You’re putting everybody in a deep freeze
by doing that. You might as well have Dean Smith come out and do Four Corners.”

The trouble, Palermo says, is there are certain teams and individuals who continually ignore baseball’s directives.

“This is a hot button with the commissioner,”
Palermo says. “We’ve got a couple teams — I’m not going to name names,
but I think everybody knows who they are — and they’re arrogant. They
don’t think this pertains to them. I had a president of one of those
ballclubs tell me the system is flawed. I told him, ‘Then how did the
28 other teams conform to what we’re asking except for you and your
next-door neighbor that you have a rivalry with?’

Says Los Angeles Angels outfielder Torii Hunter,
realizing along with the other panelists that Palermo is alluding to
the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox “Everybody else gets screwed but those two teams.”

You don’t need a panel of experts to tell you that the Yankees and Red Sox have turned baseball into a snooze-fest, but it’s somewhat surprising to hear people in and around the game being so up front about it. They’re particularly tough on Papelbon, who always takes extra pitches in the bullpen after being summoned, thus lengthening the time for pitching changes, but they go on about the Yankees’ excessive mound visits too.  For my money they could pile on about how long and how often guys on those teams step out of the batters’ box in between pitches too.

We get it, Red Sox and Yankees: you’re important.  But you’re not THAT damn important, so get on with it, will ya?

  1. go Twins - Mar 8, 2010 at 1:17 PM

    dispite popular belief, the only people who care about Red Sox/Yankee games are Red Sox/Yankee fans. These are the idiots who think EVERYONE should love their teams. The Yankees and Red Sox are what’s wrong with baseball (Yankees in particular), when baseball finnaly hangs up it’s cleats, you’ll be able to thank those 2 teams for it.

  2. D-Luxxx - Mar 8, 2010 at 2:19 PM

    Gardenhire got fined last year (or maybe two years ago) when his teams averaged under 3 hours for a game. We had the quickest games in the league, and he got fined one game when he made a long walk to the mound. That’s what they are talking about. It isn’t just Papelbon throwing extra pitches, batters adjusting gear, etc, but it ultimately is the manager who is held responsible for delay calls. That’s probably where I’d look to see which teams are the most penalized for time delay.

  3. Michael - Mar 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM

    The Yankees in particular have been coached on slowing down a game when on offense. It’s an institutional philosophy. And if you think it’s bad right now, the Joe Torre era was like watching paint dry.
    I’m just surprised it was never more talked about.
    (This thread is fun to watch – especially that other teams’ fans only complain about things because they’re mad the Yankees “always” (heh, once in 10 years) win.

  4. MJT - Mar 8, 2010 at 3:53 PM

    Amazingly, this article has somewhat united Yankee and Red Sox fans…can peace in the middle east be far behind?
    (Fair disclosure, I am a Sox fan).
    Seriously, to the writer who said that we expect other fans to love our teams too…that’s not quite right. What we expect is other fans to love their own teams as much as we love ours. Yankee and Red Sox fans have absolutely no complaint about 3+ hour games…and we are befuddled when we see Angels fans rushing out in the 6th inning to beat traffic. Or that Orioles fans routinely allow us (either one of us) to take over their stadium.
    As for national coverage, I would agree with you that Yankees Sox get way too many national games. I’d love to get them all back. I would far rather watch my local announcing team than either McCarver/Buck or whichever idiots ESPN wants to foist on me. And again I think that Yankees fans would agree with me there.

  5. Mike - Mar 8, 2010 at 4:14 PM

    When the visits get to become a factor, the ump should warn the team that the next visit will cost the pitcher a ball. It can be either 2 manger visits a game or 3 player visits a game, anything exceeding that leads to a ball on the pitchers count. These two thing can not be intertwined, it’s either or. If the batter steps out of the box more than once an at bat, it leads to a strike on the batter. Enforce these two rules and you won’t have any more cry babies from these secondary teams, who have owners that refuse to spend their mony on the teams, but would rather put the money in their pocket. But then again, these fans will always find something to cry about when it comes to teams like Boston, New York, or even in some degree LA.

  6. Mike - Mar 8, 2010 at 4:17 PM

    When the visits get to become a factor, the ump should warn the team that the next visit will cost the pitcher a ball. It can be either 2 manger visits a game or 3 player visits a game, anything exceeding that leads to a ball on the pitchers count. These two thing can not be intertwined, it’s either or. If the batter steps out of the box more than once an at bat, it leads to a strike on the batter. Enforce these two rules and you won’t have any more cry babies from these secondary teams, who have owners that refuse to spend their mony on the teams, but would rather put the money in their pocket. But then again, these fans will always find something to cry about when it comes to teams like Boston, New York, or even in some degree LA.

  7. Jack - Mar 8, 2010 at 4:23 PM

    When is the real problem going to be addressed? Bud Selig. This guy has single handedly destroyed baseball, and yet he is still the commissioner. What a joke this sport has become because of him and everything that happened on his watch.

  8. bobbyd - Mar 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM

    I’m notsure sure where to begin because there’s so much wrong here. Hunter and Palmero do have real jobs (baseball player and umpire respectively). Now you’re claim that they are overpaid is really original and insightful, though I’m not sure what it has to do with this article. The are in baseball, so that’s why USA Today asked them to be on their little committee. What did you want the paper to do, bring in longshoremen and dental hygenists for the discussion. As to your claim that they are “whiners,” I assume you mean that they offered opinions, because you don’t get very specific. But USA Today sat them down specifically to offer these opinions on what is a very real problem that confronts MLB these days. You also say Hunter added “zip to the discussion,” yet, this article doesn’t reprint the entire discussion. I don’t know — maybe you were there. I’m not sure where all the anger and vitriol comes from over such a beneign article, but there’s probably a good chance someone in your family is getting smacked around tonight!

  9. Lonnie - Mar 8, 2010 at 5:10 PM

    Absolutely,the only big sport without a salary cap.The other three major sports are all very competitive and exciting to watch.Arizona Cardinals New Orleans Saints.Baseball sucks get with the times salary cap.People might actually start watching the sport if you’d join the rest of the sporting world.Right on Peter I’m with you bring on Arena Football much more competitive.

  10. willmose - Mar 8, 2010 at 5:24 PM

    It’s all about the money. The longer the Yankees game is on the air, the more ads and the more money.

  11. Area 51 - Mar 8, 2010 at 5:58 PM

    The adjusting of batters gear is the stupidest thing going. If the pitch is a ball, get the sign and you must stay in there.

  12. Walter Bishop - Mar 8, 2010 at 7:14 PM

    Hey Craig Calcaterra, too freaking bad you and the others from those unimportant 28 teams don’t like the way the 27 time, World Series Champions, the Legendary New York Yankees approach and play the game of MLB. We play by the rules, to the tee. The Yankees players have the right to step out of the batters box to adjust their gear, wipe sweat from their eyes, get signs rom the coaches ect… And, when Joe and Dave see the Yankees pitchers either having a problem, rushing their pitchs, or their follw through is off, the coaches should be able to go to the mound as many times as needed! This is just sour grapes from all the other UNIMPORATANT 28 other teams and their loser fans because the Legendary New York Yankees won yet another World Series and are on their way to yet again, another Yankees Dynasty! And, if it takes 2hrs or five hrs per game, so be it, as long as the Legendary New York Yankees are treated with the same fairness as all the rest of the league. As, as far as their rediculous comments, yet again, more sour grapes when these Morons calling for a Salary Cap in MLB. I hate to break the news for them, but, there will Never be a salary cap in MLB. I am totally against it! If the whiners from the losing teams that are calling for a salary cap would shut the hell up, because their opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink! Maybe, one, if the owners from their smaller market teams would invest the Luxury tax money they get from the Legendary New York Yankees into their teams and better players, instead of pocketing it, then maybe they would be watching a winning team, instead of a LOSER. Look at the Yankees and they’re approach to the game. They invest what money they have, back into the Yankees, thus making them better each and every year. Mr George Steinbrenner was the best thing to ever happen to the game of MLB, but theose losers from those other teams are to busy whineing that they can’t see this. Damn Shame, because, like I said before, there NEVER will be a Salary Cap in the game of MLB, period! If that happens, that”s the day I will never watch another game, because that is BLATANT Discrimination against the Yankees and I will not take it, and neither will any of the other Greatest & most knowledgeable fans of the 27 Time, World Series Champions, the Legenday New York Yankees!!! It will lead to the destruction of the greatest game, just like it did to the other Professional sports. That is why, I do not watch any other pro sport, who wants to see that type of a game, as I call the other pro sports, the Socialist game of the NFL, NBA NHL ect….Next, some Moron will want Mr Socialist himself, osama obama to take over No Balls Seligs job!!!

  13. Walter Bishop - Mar 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM

    One other thing, when are you people from those other loser 28 other teams and their loser fans going to realize, Yankees fans don’t give a rat’s ass about your pathetic teams, as long as it’s good for the 27 Time, World Series Champions, the Legendary New York Yankees and their fans, and it helps in some way for the Yankees to keep winning World Series Championships year in and year out, that all that matters!!! Because New York is the greatest city in the World, and where the only ones that matter in this world!!! And, this is how we New Yorkers feel about those other 28 loser teams and their fans…As the Frenchman ontop of the Castle wall, looking down at all those LITTLE People says in the Money Python movie, The Holy Grail, “I will clean my nostrils in your general direction”

  14. AJ Gallo - Mar 8, 2010 at 8:07 PM

    As a Yankee fan myself, I extend my apologies for the above……

  15. peter pan - Mar 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM

    Baseball sucks.
    Someone said it before Yankee / Sox is baseball.
    Get a salary cap then let’s talk until then…Let’s go Arena Football and Bull riding!

  16. tal - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:48 PM

    I honestly think these arena football fans have to be the same person. I’ve NEVER met an actual, living arena football fan in my life. And the AFL going through Chapter 7 leads me to believe they really just don’t exist.

  17. ClementeLegend - Mar 9, 2010 at 12:34 AM

    LOL @ Yankees fan Len.
    He said “Sux”, how quaint and small-town of him to still say that.

  18. Walter Bishop - Mar 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM

    Hey Earnest & Julio, speak for yourself, cause you definitely don’t speak for TRUE Fans of the Legendary New York Yankees. You’re one of these conformists and appologist that kiss the asses of these message board fans that don’t like what honest fans have to say! Personally, I give a rat’s ass what other people have to say about what I write. I write the truth, and speak the truth, and I write what people like you are to afraid to write or even think. So, don’t appologize to the boardies, most of them don’t even have a clue about the greatest Game, that is MLB. Again, I said most of them, there are posters on this message board that do know the game, and how it should be played, and how the business end of MLB should be approached. As you can tell, I don’t care about other posters feelings, if I hurt them, to bad!

  19. Walter Bishop - Mar 9, 2010 at 1:27 PM

    Hey Peter Pan….Salary Cap= Socialism, osama obama and all his ass kissing fans=United Socialist Republic of America
    Neither are what our forefathers invisioned for this once great country, that is now going down the tubes! Keep on wanting things like a Salary Cap, cuase if this is allowed to pass, it is just another nail in this once great countries coffin. People, you are witnessing the “Fall of the American Empire” And, I’m proud to state I had nothing to do with this! Here’s a list of some that have and are contributing to America’s fall..
    Generation Xtra Stupid
    Generation Y as in Why were you born in the first place
    people who watch CNN
    People who want a Salary Cap in MLB

  20. Josh in DC - Mar 9, 2010 at 1:45 PM

    Setting aside our many differences — DH vs. no DH, Red Sox vs. Yankees, McCarver vs. Sutcliffe, McCain vs. Obama …
    Honestly, how wonderful is it that this illiterate jerk has something against teachers?

  21. Utley's hair - Mar 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM

    So…you don’t care what other people think about what you “think”, and yet you rip into others about their opinions? It’s mind boggling. And you are the epitome of the the stereotypical Wankers fan—the egotistical, pompous malcontent who thinks his way is the only way.
    Seriously, put down the bottle and sleep it off. Or at least empty it before you smoke your crack in it.
    And, by the way, this is a SPORTS blog. Leave your right-wingnut smears and ignorant intolerance at the door.

  22. David - Mar 9, 2010 at 6:33 PM

    to Walter Bishop – Perhaps it’s time for your medicine, go on now be a good boy and take your pills. If you weren’t so angry maybe you could write coherently and spell properly.
    Just remember to tell yourself, I won’t hit my wife, I won’t hit my wife, I won’t hit my wife…

  23. David - Mar 9, 2010 at 6:37 PM

    Walter – Count to ten before you post again, SLOWLY.

  24. Pat Brennan - Mar 12, 2010 at 9:45 PM

    You nailed it. The only reason baseball is covered on TV is to get in the requist number of commercials. As long as TV dictates the terms for covering any sport and pays the bills, nothing will change. They couldn’t care less how long a game takes to play.

  25. Walter Bishop - Apr 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM

    Hey Peter, your wife sucks also, but you don’t hear all her other guys complain, do you?

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