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Quote of the Day: GM on criticism of Howard deal

Apr 30, 2010, 3:52 PM EST

Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr., on criticism of the Ryan Howard contract extension:

The sabermetricians are welcome to have their opinions about our business. However, I choose to ignore their opinions.

Fair enough. However, as Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com notes: “Amaro is getting criticized for the Howard deal not just by sabermetricians, but also by rival executives.” And of course there are plenty of “sabermetricians” who are also “rival executives.”
Plus, hard as it may be for some to believe, sabermetricians aren’t the only folks who think committing $25 million per season to Howard through age 36 is a mistake.

  1. ecp - Apr 30, 2010 at 4:02 PM

    He’s also being criticized by various members of the BBWAA, many of whom vehemently ewchew sabermetrics. But he probably chooses to ignore the opinions of writers as well.

  2. damag - Apr 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM

    Does it really take a sabermetrician to say “Guys almost never get better when they get old?”

  3. JE - Apr 30, 2010 at 4:17 PM

    This is pretty funny but just wait for the Rollins extension!

  4. Josh Fisher - Apr 30, 2010 at 4:39 PM

    The doctors are welcome to have their opinions about health. However, I choose to ignore their opinions.
    -Lindsey Lohan

  5. Philly Phan - Apr 30, 2010 at 4:55 PM

    How old was Babe Ruth when he finally retired?

  6. Robert King - Apr 30, 2010 at 4:59 PM

    Power hitters hit their peak in their mid 30′s. He is getting better every single year and if the Phillies didn’t pay him the Yankee’s or the Sox would have-He is ours and all you fools can eat it.

  7. Ryan - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:09 PM

    Is it wrong to make player valuation decisions based upon your experiences with that player in various baseball simulation games on “easy” mode?

  8. Ryan - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM

    I think you’ll have a hard time finding someone who would rather have Howard over Youkilis or Teiexixixixixixixiera. Both of them are better in almost every aspect of the game.

  9. Josh Fisher - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:13 PM

    Robert:
    Where were they Yankees going to put him? Shortstop? And, re: sluggers aging…what you said just isn’t true.

  10. W - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:15 PM

    If Howard had made it to free agency after next season, I can assure you that the Red Sox wouldn’t have offered him $25 million a year. And in the now hypothetical world where that happens, the Phillies come over the top and offer him a longer contract at $30 million a year…

  11. Robert King - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:20 PM

    It is right to base a players evaluation off of the months that a player carries a team and the big and little ring Philly has because of said player. I’ll take those 50 home runs and 140 RBI’s any day. This move insured that Philadelphia will get at least two more WS appearances and at least one more ring.

  12. Josh Fisher - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:24 PM

    Ryan Howard, seasons with 50+ HR and 140+ RBI: 1
    At age 26. Four full seasons ago.

  13. Ryan - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:25 PM

    Mm-hmm. I think most of us like to maybe play in fantasy land in our free time, or escape to fantasy land while we’re watching a game. You sir, have a permanent address and a daily commute in fantasy land.

  14. YANKEES1996 - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:30 PM

    One of the questions that has been running through my mind since reading about this crazy extension is : Are Ruben Amaro and Omar Minaya hanging around together or has Amaro enrolled in the Omar Minaya General Managers School?

  15. Robert King - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:45 PM

    Rookie of the Year–MVP–World Series Champion.–More to Follow. He has improved his speed and defense and i expect his average to be up and strikeouts to be down. He is a true professional and a perfect fit for Philly. Ryan, Chase, and Jimmy are the heart of this team and everyone in Philadelphia is truly grateful to Mr. Amaro.

  16. Robert King - Apr 30, 2010 at 5:55 PM

    2006 58hr 149rbi
    2007 47hr 136rbi
    2008 48hr 146rbi
    2009 45hr 141rbi
    Take a calculator and average those stats. With Polanco hitting in the two hole his numbers are going to be scary once he gets off his typical slow start. Of course even his slow start is better than most players hot streak.

  17. fernando - Apr 30, 2010 at 6:29 PM

    That’s an insane amount. The Phils are going to regret signing Mo Vaughn…err, I mean Ryan Howard. The parallels are right there… Large guy with lots of power, MVP award and big K numbers. And wait until Rollins wants his 20 million. They are lucky that Utley signed that cheap deal.

  18. Ryan - Apr 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM

    Allright. If you want to have hopes and dreams, be my guest. But if you try to use stats to back up your hopes and dreams, the number nerds are going to come and get you.
    Howard has put up impressive numbers, yes, but this contract isn’t paying him for those years, it’s paying him for years he hasn’t played yet. And to compare that, we look at other players who had a similar career arc as Howard. After that analysis, the skew is very much in favor of him falling on his face sooner rather than later. He may not, but I think that is the definition of “exception to the rule.”

  19. gretch - May 1, 2010 at 1:05 AM

    lol you faggit… choke down your horrible contract you stupid donk.

  20. Anon - May 1, 2010 at 11:56 AM

    “if he were white, he’d get $40m a year and you racists wouldn’t even say a word” -orlando hudson

  21. you_are_not_the_o_dog - May 1, 2010 at 12:14 PM

    No, we’d lambaste the same type of deal as Travis Hafner signed as well. White, black, or yellow, hitters USUALLY don’t improve into their mid-30′s. Doesn’t mean Howard can’t, but the odds are stacked against them and Philly readily bet against those long odds.

  22. j-fi - May 2, 2010 at 3:45 PM

    Don’t let these nay-sayers get to you, Robert. As long suffering Phillies fans who have seen all of our stars leave for greener paychecks and win championships in other towns (Schilling, Rolen), it’s refreshing that we are now one of the “haves.” The people complaining are more than likely fans of one of the “have nots.” It’s jealousy, plain and simple. We’ve been there ourselves. The Phillies have become a powerhouse, and we’ll just have to get used to putting up with all of the jealousy from the haters. We are going to bag another title in the next few years. Someday the numbers 6, 11 and 26 will probably be retired next to numbers 1, 20 and 32. This is probably the greatest era in Phillies history. Let’s enjoy the ride and let the little people whine about the salaries. P-H-I-L-L-I-E-S, Phillies!!!!

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