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Roy Halladay should probably get some rest

May 19, 2010, 8:59 AM EDT

Halladay headshot.jpgNot that he is to blame or anything, but it is rather astounding that the Phillies have lost two games in their last ten, and both losses came in Roy Halladay starts. Also astounding are the pitch counts he’s racking up. 132 pitches last night. In his four starts before that he went 126, 121, 119, 118.

I realize he’s a horse and everything, and I realize that the Phillies’ bullpen could use all the rest it can get, but it strikes me that the Phillies are almost certainly going to be playing more than 162 games this season and that in light of this, Charlie Manuel would do what he can to make sure that Roy Halladay is as fresh as he can be come October.

You have a nice division lead right now, Charlie. There’s no shame in taking Halladay out after, say, seven innings on a cold and rainy Tuesday night in mid May.  Yeah, Halladay might not want you too, but you’re the boss and you should give your ace some rest whether he wants it or not.

  1. Old Gator - May 19, 2010 at 9:07 AM

    If Halladay won’t come out, Charlie ought to taze him. If it’s good enough for the fans, it’s good enough for the players. That, and you never know how dangerous a pitcher can become when he’s being extirpated from the mound against his will. But more: it’s great theater.

  2. Moses Green - May 19, 2010 at 9:08 AM

    Roy’s one of the few that you just throw away the pitch count for. Toss in the fact that he gets to pitch against the NL instead of the AL East, low stress pitches made to pitchers … just not a big deal. He’s like Superman – stuff like Roger Clemens, endurance like Livan.

  3. chris - May 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM

    Yes there were two losses. However, the Phils only scored 1 run last night against the 2 runs from the Pirates. The blame has to be placed on the offense, or thereby lackof. How many stranded runners were there last night? 132 pitches is more than desired, but this is not near a crisis. In addition, do you watch the Phils? Charlie is in charge. Show up a little late and see what happens, or ask Jimmy Rollins. His management style is positive and who can argue about how well it works, their record speaks for itself. I suspect that prior to the trade deadline, the bullpen will be fortified to allow a better run in the playoffs.

  4. tbliggins - May 19, 2010 at 10:33 AM

    I completely agree. Pitch counts are useful for young pitchers, pitchers comiing off injuries, pitchers that tire after x number of pitches, etc. There are some that can handle extra pitches. My guess is that Halladay puts less stress on him arm on pitch 120 than most do on pitch 80. If the Phils had 3-4 other starters giving them 7 strong innings every night, sure, give him some rest. Overall, though, it is better to tax him than the bullpen since he has proven he can handle it.

  5. The Lady from Toronto - May 19, 2010 at 10:36 AM

    He is so goodlooking. He looks like Cold Play’s Chris Martin. I miss him but it looks like Toronto is doing fine without him. But time will tell.

  6. Drew - May 19, 2010 at 11:03 AM

    It’s all fine and dandy to say “Halladay’s a horse” and “Throw away the pitch counts”, but I imagine if he ends up with any kind of arm trouble this year, everyone’s going to want Manuel’s head.

  7. JBerardi - May 19, 2010 at 12:01 PM

    “Roy’s one of the few that you just throw away the pitch count for.”

    That’s actually a common misconception about Halladay. If you look at his innings totals in Toronto, yes, it appears that he’s a serious workhorse. There’s more to it than that, though. In ’09, Halladay threw 3392 pitches, 17th most in baseball (239 IP, 2nd best in baseball). In ’08 he was 7th in pitches, 2nd in IP. In ’07 he was 25th in pitches, 5th in IP. Finally, in ’06 he was 56th in pitches and 12th in IP. So while he has thrown a pretty hefty number of pitches over the years, it’s not nearly as many as his innings totals would indicate (which of course means he’s throwing less per inning). His “workhorse” status isn’t derived from throwing more pitches than everybody else, it’s from being more efficient than everybody else. It doesn’t seem like Charlie Manuel really understands this, because…

    This year? Halladay is first in innings pitched (which isn’t new)… and first in pitches thrown (which very much is). Now, maybe he can handle it, but I am at least a little concerned. He’s already likely to lead the league in IP even at his old pitch counts, so why push it further than you have to?

  8. Jon S. - May 19, 2010 at 12:21 PM

    Charlie probably would’ve had an easier time taking the ball from Roy if the Phillies had the lead.

  9. Old_Gator_Hater - May 19, 2010 at 1:02 PM

    Do you ever have anything intelligent or relevant to say, judging by every post I ever saw from you, I’m gonna say that’s a big NO!

  10. Matt - May 19, 2010 at 1:32 PM

    I couldn’t agree with your point more, Add the fact that the line up was a bit dodgy. I feel that Polonco should play 2nd in Utley’s absence. Add in the 2 errors (Mostly from the middle infield) and several times with bases loaded. Sorry I don’t have the exact number of men left on base. But Halladay could have easily had another win with some run support.

  11. BigPhil - May 19, 2010 at 2:24 PM

    Epitome of penny wise, pound foolish. Charlie does a lot of things well, but keeping players (vets) fresh and rested is not one of them. Look at the game logs for Utley, Howard, Rollins…

  12. adam - May 19, 2010 at 5:01 PM

    I agree 100% with this post. Partly because as a Phillies fan winning or losing a 2-1 cg in May is pretty useless and just a good way to wear him out. Let’s not forget Halladay is not invincible and has been injured.
    The other reason he should have been out is simply because twice in the late innings he came up in a position to move runners. We all know Roy is a terrible hitter so in the bottom of the 7th, down 2-1, Roys pitch count around 105, with runner’s in scoring position, one out, and a batter away from the top of the order… Halladay’s day should be done

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