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David Ortiz told Hanley Ramirez to apologize

May 20, 2010, 10:02 AM EDT

hanley headshot.JPGWhy did Hanley Ramirez apologize to his manager and teammates yesterday? Partially, I bet, to get back in the lineup, and partially, I hope, because he realized he was being a jerk.  But according to a tweet from Peter Gammons last night, a lot of it may have had to do with Big Papi:


David Ortiz’s Tuesday text exchanges with Hanley
Ramirez convinced Hanley to appologize and move on

Given that Ortiz was quoted yesterday as being critical of the way Fredi Gonzalez was handling the whole affair — a take with which I agreed — this was a nice stroke of pragmatism from the big guy. 

Of course, if Gammons was right and Ortiz’s texts — and not his manager’s statements — were the prime motivator, we shouldn’t hold our breaths for a new Hanley Ramirez to emerge from this experience. Ramirez’s takeway from this was probably more about how to go along to get along, not about playing hard and respecting authority figures.

UPDATE:  I had missed this, but apparently a stern talking-to by Andre Dawson and Tony Perez helped matters as well.

  1. Joe Tetreault - May 20, 2010 at 10:15 AM

    I thought some of Ramirez’s behavior was a direct result of seeing Manny Ramirez and Miguel Cabrera given Carte Blanche. If Dawson, Perez and Ortiz have a positive impact on Ramirez that’s a very good development for the Marlins.

  2. Jimmy Marlins Fan - May 20, 2010 at 10:29 AM

    i figured it was only a matter of time before the hawk and one of the cogs of the big red machine would have talked to hanley…i think with the great amount of scrutiny hanley got and deserved, it may have opened his eyes to the fact that people think he is an a-hole
    then again, he might not care…but at least he is aware, or more aware now

  3. michael standish - May 20, 2010 at 10:58 AM

    A stern talking-to from Doggy Perez…Woof, indeed.

  4. Evan - Hartford - May 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM

    This could be the beginning of a long successful career for Papi as a hitting coach and (eventually) manager.
    .
    Despite the fact that his baseball accolades are tainted by his steroid use, he could still repair his legacy if he did well on the coaching side. I think he could do a good job because players respect him.

  5. Rick - May 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM

    Yeah, I wonder what Big Papi’s juicing up with now , and DON’T TELL me he isn’t. How in God’s name do you go from looking so pitiful and DONE, not catching up to ordinary fastballs … to 5 homers in a week and a half — Come ON — what a joke…. and what a desperate CHEAT——–

  6. J Rose - May 20, 2010 at 11:36 AM

    Rick that statement is so idiotic I don’t even know where to begin. You obviously know very little about baseball and even less about PEDs.
    As for the assist with Ramirez, coupled with Howard Bryant’s piece on Papi yesterday, it looks like we are seeing much more of the innner workings of the big fella than ever before. Hitting coach/mamager is a possibilty, as Evan mentioned. Hey if Mark McGwire can do it…

  7. rick - May 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM

    Let’s get ALL the cheaters on board as coaches — what a GREAT idea — this has NOTHING to do with the fact that Ortiz is a nice guy, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact he cheated his way to two rings. What a disgrace if ever becomes a manager.

  8. Joltin' Jimbo - May 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM

    Perez and Dawson two of MLB’s CLASS ACTS. Listen to them, Hanley!

  9. J Rose - May 20, 2010 at 11:59 AM

    I got news for ya Rick, it’s pretty much been determined that the majority of players during the Steroid Era used PEDs in some form or another, for some period of time. So you think none of the players from that period should ever be manaagers? We are just going to use all the old guys now, then skip a generation of players and wait for a new young crop of coaches to show up and save the game? Get off your high horse dude and come back to reality.

  10. Rick - May 20, 2010 at 12:09 PM

    And where , may I ask, has this been “pretty well determined” ??– Where do you get your information ?? How can you make a ridiculous generalization like that ?? Yeah , I want a loser like McGuire managing my team — right….

  11. J Rose - May 20, 2010 at 12:22 PM

    ridiculous generalization? Where have you been for the last five or six years? From Jose Canseco to BALCO to the Mitchell Report, I think it has been pretty well determined that a TON of MLBers were using some sort of PEDs during the era. When you have everyone from scrubs & minor leaguers to stars and Hall of Famers, pitchers and hitters, I think it’s safe to say it was a widespread epidemic. Get your head out of the sand, or wherever you have it, and face reality.

  12. King Dave - May 20, 2010 at 12:24 PM

    It’s funny,now that Ortiz bat is getting hot, he is quickly changed back to giving the orders!

  13. JK - May 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM

    Sounds vaguely like a whine from one of the boroughs, Brooklyn maybe???

  14. Rick - May 20, 2010 at 1:34 PM

    “TON of MLBers” ???? Think of a phrase OTHER than “pretty much determined” next time. Come up with something original. You are showcasing your ignorance. Also, if you could SPELL correctly, that would help , also. Oh yeah, get your head out of your butt, too.

  15. ASmith - May 20, 2010 at 2:02 PM

    Yeah, Ortiz was taking something a few years ago, but he’s still 6’4 230lbs and has some power left, he maybe never hit close to .300 again but he will put up around 25-30 homers. Just because he’s got hot over the last three weeks, people think he’s back on the stuff, classic one sided fans. And with hanley, I have no idea how close they really are, they are both from the dominican and I’m sure spend some time out of baseball together. Its good too hear veteran players talk to the younger kids telling them too not lose there cool so quickly, it can’t be easy being 26 and a face of the franchise.

  16. Ladyfan - May 20, 2010 at 2:03 PM

    Hmmmmmm . . . . . it looks like a Yankee fan, it talkes like a Yankee fan, and yep, it ignores the fact that its own players used PEDs, so somebody please send a WHAAAAAAAAmbulance over to pick this Yankee fan up and administer some emergency cheese to go with that whine, along with some lubricant to aid in the extrication of his head from where it’s obviously stuck.

  17. Old Gator - May 20, 2010 at 2:11 PM

    Hanley’s attitude has gotten him into the sulfur springs often enough that I think he already knows people think he’s a childish prima donna, and I suspect that his knowing it explains the virulence of his initial reaction to the situation. He was very defensive, as one who probably figured he had already been badly judged would tend to be. Did you notice, by the way, that after being hellfire at the plate for several weeks, he was in something of a mini-slump when his fielding gaffe occurred? One wonders if something more global was on his mind prior to that forgettable episode. He certainly seemed to have shaken it off yesterday, though.
    .
    But it’s good to know that Perez and the Hawk are there to play papa to him. Maybin seems to be waking up bigtime and Coghlan is sputtering back to respectability, Sanchez is looking real good lately and JJ is realy emerging as a force to be reckoned with, but with such terrible defense, an erratic back end of the rotation and a terrible boolpen, the Feesh aren’t going very far this season. But they certainly aren’t going anywhere without Hanley.

  18. J Rose - May 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM

    Sorry I don’t have the exact figures, since no one in the entire sports world seems to be able to pinpoint it. I believe Jose Canseco put the number at somewhere around 85% of all major leaguers. But we’ll just take your rose-colored view that only a few select players touched the stuff, players you don’t care for, or as Ladyfan says, don’t want to mention because they play for your team.
    Also, it must be nice to have never mispelled a word on a comment board. Kudos.

  19. billybill - May 20, 2010 at 3:07 PM

    One of the many things that attracts me to baseball is that players inexplicably get “hot” and “cold”.The players themselves often have no explanation for the peaks and valleys.They work harder,study,examine and tweak.Sometimes this helps,sometimes just playing through it works.Look at Barry Zito.I thought he was done and now he’s pitching the way he did in Oakland.I love that.
    But now Rick,who knows so much about PEDs and who does them,comes along to destroy this aspect of the game.
    Rick,don’t even bother saying it’s just Papi and Manny doing it because I already know you’re thinking that.
    I apologize to those of you who are talking about Hanley Ramirez and how a youth will become a man.And I believe he will.

  20. Sox fan - May 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM

    Let me guess……. Yankee fan???

  21. socker - May 20, 2010 at 7:32 PM

    I remember you now-you’re the kid playing hookie from school!

  22. Nasty Boy - May 21, 2010 at 12:00 AM

    Most of that team was juiced , Ortiz was far from being the only one. Not to mention that scumbag with the phony bloody sock , what a hand job he is .

  23. pau - May 21, 2010 at 3:05 AM

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8130881
    Unfortunately, the video doesn’t show just how much Papi loafed, but you do get to see him admiring his single.

  24. Koz - Jun 8, 2010 at 8:06 AM

    Ramirez in FLorida – perfect.

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