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The Phillies are shopping Jayson Werth

Jul 8, 2010, 1:17 PM EDT

The other day I blew off the notion that the Phillies would seriously consider trading Jayson Werth because to do so would be to say the competitive portion of their season is over.

It seems now that either (a) the Phillies took dropping two of three to the Braves at home harder than they should have; or (b) the Phillies see themselves as a playoff team without Werth. Why? because Buster Olney reports that they’re shopping the guy. Indeed, he says that the Phillies are talking with a
lot of teams about Werth, “casting a wide net” as they look for a starting pitcher.

They could use the pitcher, sure, but what to make of the Phillies scoring runs without Werth around?  Sure, he’s struggling lately, but does anyone think that’s going to continue all season? Perhaps the Phillies do. Because you can bet they are watching Domonic Brown raking to the tune of .392/.418/.686 in 14 games down at Lehigh Valley closer than any of us are.

Trading Werth would be a ballsy move for Ruben Amaro. Maybe even a brilliant move if Brown is called up and he continues to mash.  But it certainly says a lot about what’s gone wrong for the Phillies this year that they’d even have to consider it.

  1. SabathiaWouldBeGoodAtTheEigthToo - Jul 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM

    This is totally unsubstantiated, but if true, would explain some extra motivation on the Phillies part to get Werth out of town:

  2. indy_ralph - Jul 8, 2010 at 1:40 PM

    Not saying it can’t happen, but this is still a major long shot even if the Phillies are testing it out. How many contending teams need an outfielder? And of that small pool, how many will give up a starting pitcher to get it? I’d guess the number is approximately zero. The only way this will happen is if the Phils think that Brown roughly equals Werth for the next half season, and therefore will trade Werth for help in the farm system.

  3. nps6724 - Jul 8, 2010 at 1:45 PM

    IF anything ,they should release Ibanez and bring Brown up. Ibanez hasn’t been the same since his DL stint last year.

  4. The Rabbit - Jul 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM

    I didn’t think the Phillies would seriously shop Werth, either.
    Like a lot of power hitters, Werth is streaky. When he’s on a tear, he’s as good as anyone in the league….and when he’s not, he sucks like other slumping hitters.
    I’m just surprised that the Phillies would gamble that much on Domonic Brown. You don’t know for sure if you are going to get Brennan Boesch or Cameron Maybin when you promote him. It’s not as though the Phillies have a full lineup of quality bats with its injuries.
    If I were the Phils GM, I’d bring Brown up and get a sense of what I really had before I’d trade Werth.

  5. Benny Blanco - Jul 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM

    Who says they have to trade Werth to a contending team?

  6. Simon DelMonte - Jul 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM

    So can’t he just let Utley punch him and then get on with the celebrations? (I was just thinking about that scene in Major League this morning. Weird.)

  7. Jonny5 - Jul 8, 2010 at 2:11 PM

    They’re just seeing what he’s Werth, that’s all. Ibanez is not going anywhere without Philly eating dollars. Shane Victorino is tradeable but is too fast on a slower team imo to be let go, and if Werth has value and isn’t staying here, he may be their only other option to pick up a starting pitcher, which they are looking for. Since some idiot traded Lee away for prospects that won’t make it past AAA?!?!?!

  8. Jonny5 - Jul 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM

    that’s ridiculous.

  9. nrg1006 - Jul 8, 2010 at 3:30 PM

    Now is the time to move Jayson. It’s true, we in Philly love him, but he will be asking 18mil for 4yrs or more. Brown is in the wings, and seriously, we need to get a good starter and toss that bullpen away. The real achilles heel is the Pigpen. We go into 7th and just begin to pray and cross our fingers. We need a reliable Closer and Set-up man. Be gone with Lidge. Contreras is unreliable. Madson won’t be ready off the DL.
    Our line-up is the walking wounded and our DL is filled with a third of our starters. Utley, Polanco, and Chooch are riding the bench healing. Only our 125mil singles man is hitting for average and RBIs. That’s it! Nobody is stepping out to carry the team, and if they do, along comes the stinking pigpen.
    Trade Werth and get something back now. The season is not over and we have yet to put together any kind of winning streak like the Braves or Muts….

  10. Preston - Jul 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM

    Seems like this needs to be a 3 team deal if it’s going to work – there aren’t contenders who are going to give up starting pitching at this point, and non-contenders obviously don’t have any use for Werth right before he hits free agency (unless it’s to trade him immediately – wouldn’t it be funny if the Mets ended up with Cliff Lee and the Braves with Werth?). In a three way deal, perhaps the Padres, Giants, or Cardinals would get involved, maybe the Red Sox if they don’t think they’ll Ellsbury will be effective when he comes back from his injury; in a best case scenario, I’d say the Phillies come away with a Roy Oswalt. The scenario is vaguely reminiscent of the Manny Ramirez trade that sent Bay to the Red Sox and prospects to the Pirates.

  11. SabathiaWouldBeGoodAtTheEigthToo - Jul 8, 2010 at 4:33 PM

    Look to the AL West. The Padres have surplus pitching and are desperate for offense. Either team would be more than willing to drop their current RF for Werth.

  12. SabathiaWouldBeGoodAtTheEigthToo - Jul 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM

    Look to the AL West. The Padres and Giants have surplus pitching and are desperate for offense. Either team would be more than willing to drop their current RF for Werth.

  13. indy_ralph - Jul 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM

    Benny, they don’t need to trade him to a contending team, but he has virtually zero value to a non-contender. His contract is up at the end of the year. CC: When was the last time a contender traded a critical piece of their starting rotation in the midst of a pennant race? The Giants may have excess pitching, but every starting pitcher they have (save Zito) is worth immensely more than 4 months of Werth. The Padres are supposed to be building for the future, so it’s doubtful they would abandon that plan and give up much for a rental despite the unexpected success. Preston’s right, a third team would need to be involved.

  14. Ditto65 - Jul 8, 2010 at 5:33 PM

    Did they not also get Doc in that trade?

  15. Utley's hair - Jul 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM

    Contrary to whatever the hell people were peddling it as, they were two separate trades–Halladay for prospects; a bag of balls for Lee.

  16. bigtrav425 - Jul 9, 2010 at 2:00 PM

    wow that would def be pretty Ballsy!…they are kinda in need of healthy Offensive players right now..and you cant predict Brown is going to come up to the majors and continue to do that shit

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