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Groan-inducing quote of the day: Jon Heyman on the Escobar trade

Jul 14, 2010, 4:30 PM EDT

Gotta love a gratuitous swipe at the sabermetic community and a bad pun all in one!

The WAR folks like Yunel apparently. I know this, Bobby Cox hated going to war with this guy.

Jon Heyman, slamming sabermetrics and Yunel Escobar in one beautifully facepalm-inducing tweet.

I actually see this trade more like Heyman does than like a lot of my friends in the sabermetric community because I have always had this sense that Escobar is something less than the sum of his parts. But a few hours in, I think both the pro-Escobar and the anti-Escobar sides have overplayed their hands a bit.  This kind of thing from Heyman — and especially this overheated hit job by the AJC’s Mark Bradley (Really? His English is the issue?) — seem a bit much.  At the same time, a lot of the more sabermetrically-oriented analysis of the deal discounts the Braves’ distaste for Escobar a bit too much.

This is a trade that could really go either way. The Braves should be given some benefit of the doubt about their judgment here because they know the guy more than any of us ever will be able to. Likewise, those opposed to the trade from the Braves’ perspective are absolutely right to note that the Braves are selling low and could wind up really getting burned.  In light of this currently-unresolvable ambiguity, everyone should probably tone it down a bit.

  1. 44Fishy - Jul 14, 2010 at 4:54 PM

    During the game last week where Yunel lackadaisically let a fly ball drop in short left and then nearly got Glaus’s arm ripped off by pulling him off the bag with a lazy throw, you could see no one was happy with this guy’s effort and he obviously didn’t care.

  2. walk - Jul 14, 2010 at 5:26 PM

    Yunel is capable any minute of making an outstanding play that no one else may be able to make. Unfortunately he was also just as likely to hang his teammates out to dry with bad throws to bases. Tons of poetential still in him but i feel better with the trade even though we lost the younger more talented player.

  3. mission - Jul 14, 2010 at 6:07 PM

    come on 0 HR and 19-odd RBI??? he’s an underachiever who spends more time at the salon getting his hair metro’d up than he does in the cage.
    i don’t know who’s opposed to this — atlanta, from radio to friends i speak with, are elated about the trade. only my sister in law is mad about the trade because she thinks escobar is “hot” … go figure.

  4. scatterbrian - Jul 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM

    This is viewed as a win-now trade for the Braves, yes? If so, those trades tend to have a potential for the win-now team getting burned.

  5. scatterbrian - Jul 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM

    I suppose a WAR pun is better than a Cox pun…

  6. JBerardi - Jul 14, 2010 at 9:46 PM

    I don’t remember much bitching about Yunel’s defense/attitude/whatever before this year. I guess hitting .300 (or thereabouts) will have that effect…

  7. The Rabbit - Jul 15, 2010 at 12:25 AM

    Actually, I remember an article being published about two years ago with Cox sharing his displeasure with Yunel’s attitude. I thought it was pretty odd at the time because it seemed out of character for Cox (I didn’t ever remember him ragging on any player to the press in the past) and Yunel was hitting around .300 at the time; however, I think Cox had pulled him from that day’s game in the early innings.

  8. pobothecat - Jul 15, 2010 at 1:51 AM

    “he’s an underachiever who spends more time at the salon getting his hair metro’d up than he does in the cage.”
    You don’t have the slightest idea how much effort Yunel Escobar puts into his game. If anything I think we can surmise the opposite — the kid was pressing. Trying too hard. (His pop-up rate was double last year’s) Yes, Yunel Escobar was immature when he got here. Combine that with a very serious language gap and you’ve got a kid whose mounting frustrations may well have showed up on the field.
    But lazy? Metro hair? The radio-‘tards like the deal so it must be good? Really?

  9. JBerardi - Jul 15, 2010 at 2:10 AM

    Well, I did use the qualifier “much”… Yes, I too had heard rumblings that the Braves weren’t particularly enamored with Escobar, but it never really boiled over until he stopped producing. Point is, a .300 average from your shortstop will cover up a hell of a lot of character flaws.

  10. Opie - Jul 15, 2010 at 2:14 AM

    Easy killas. Win now? Yes, they want to win, but they didn’t give up the farm for Gonzalez. Escobar has had attitude problems and has exhibited a general allergy to hustle. Talented? No question about it. When right, he is one of the top all around shortstops in the game, but he hasn’t been right at all this season.
    In order for the Braves to keep him, he would’ve gone to arbitration. They would’ve had to pay him a substantial amount of money. Way more than he’s currently under contract for this season. Gonzalez, I believe, is on a team option for next year?
    2 of the Braves’ top 10 prospects are SS.
    Braves got a solid SS with a good reputation & 2 prospects that have the potential to be contributors. Jays got a solid SS with upside & a Left hander that can give them some innings.
    All that to say this, add all of this up and it has the potential for it to be a win for both teams.

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