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The Jays are asking the world for Scott Downs

Jul 28, 2010, 10:30 AM EDT

Scott Downs is not the biggest name around, but the Blue Jays’ setup man may be the best reliever available at the moment.  And the Jays are apparently asking the moon for him:  They told the Yankees it would take Joba Chamberlain and the Red Sox that it would take Casey Kelly or Jose Iglesias.

That’s kind of crazy, even to Yankees fans who are about ready to crucify Joba. Probably even to Yankees fans who don’t want to crucify him but don’t want him pitching in the eighth inning anymore either.  I’m not convinced he’s hopeless — his strikeouts are high and his luck on balls in play has been awful — but even if you think so, why on Earth should the Yankees unload him now, when his perceived value is so low?

  1. andrewlw - Jul 28, 2010 at 10:35 AM

    There’s no reason not to ask the world for him. He will be a type A free agent for sure. Despite the decline in the free agent market for middle relief Downs has a very long track record and should have no problem getting a 3 year deal. If the market absolutely blows up, then the Jays get him back next year on a one year deal at market value and can settle for a similar less the world offer to the ones they are getting now for him.

  2. BC - Jul 28, 2010 at 10:42 AM

    So wait a minute. Is the the world, or the moon?

  3. Fernando - Jul 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM

    There is no way that Jays will get any of those players from Yanks or Red Sox. Both teams have turned down better offers for those guys. Really, Downs is a nice addition to a pen, but he’s not worth anywhere near that haul.
    Jays are absolutely deluded. Just because Downs is a Type A free agent after the season does not mean that they will get two first round picks. NO ONE….NO ONE will sign Downs if they have to give up two first rounders.
    As a Yankee fan, I have no problem with Joba. I’m willing to be more understanding considering he’s been moved from pen to starter to pen. Besides the entire Yankee pen, except for Mo, has had it’s problems. If anyone should go, it’s the karate-kicking Park.
    Hwo about shipping Park to the Dodgers for George Sherrill? Dodgers get some salary relief, which they can use to make a move while Yanks get another lefty with good success in the AL.

  4. YankeesfanLen - Jul 28, 2010 at 10:57 AM

    The TYU post you linked was more reasoned than I am. Let’s hide the FAT TOAD somewhere. I don’t want to see him in the 8th or anywhere without a 7 run lead until he shows that he will concentrate on who he’s pitching to and knock off this showboating when he gets a strikeout after allowing 2 runs to score.
    Look, I love lively Yanks like Swish, but do the job first and celebrate later.

  5. geoknows - Jul 28, 2010 at 10:59 AM

    The fact that Scott Downs will be a type A free agent demonstrates the idiocy of using the Elias Rankings to determine free agent compensation.

  6. Md23Rewls - Jul 28, 2010 at 11:13 AM

    Isn’t exchanging Park for Sherrill like exchanging a broken car for a broken stereo? Neither party gets anything out of it.

  7. Philip P - Jul 28, 2010 at 11:14 AM

    At most a team would have to give up one first round pick; the 2nd pick, should Downs be a type A, would a supplemental pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds and not taken from the team that signs Downs in the offseason.

  8. Proudly Canadian - Jul 28, 2010 at 11:43 AM

    Downs is a much better pitcher than the fat toad. I sincerely doubt that the Jays want Chamberlain. Downs deserves to be a type A Free Agent. He is that good. The Jays will not give him away for someone with limited upside.

  9. flipsy - Jul 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM

    The value of a Type A FA is $3-5 mill, depending on which teams signs the player. On top of that comes 2-3 months of player performance. For Downs, that should be about .5 WAR. Given that the team that would pick him up is a contender, this is another $3 ($6 mill per win at that point of the curve is reasonable). So Downs is worth around $6-7 mill minus the remaining salary, about 1.3mill. So say he is worth $5 mill.
    Joba is going to hit arbitration, so his salary is going to go up a fair bit. I’m not sure he is really worth a lot more than $5 unless (a) he becomes a dominant closer or (b) he starts again. And unless it’s a top 10 (in baseball) hitting prospect, prospects are not worth much more either because of the uncertainty. The Jays demands while high are not totally crazy. Teams are just overvaluing prospects right now and GMs don’t want to look stupid ex post.

  10. Utley's hair - Jul 28, 2010 at 12:21 PM

    So they’re asking a lot from the Wankers and BooSux. What about teams outside their own division?

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