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Comment of the Day: Manny Ramirez is no destructive force

Aug 16, 2010, 3:29 PM EDT

Today’s post about Manny Ramirez brought forth a handful of “who would want that guy bringing their team down” comments. And one comment, by reader bobr, wondering what on Earth those people are complaining about:

I wonder which example of his destructive influence you are basing
this statement on. Might it be the 11 post-seasons his teams have played
in? Or the 2 World Series championships his teams won? Or his
post-season performance to a 937 OPS?

Maybe you are thinking about the way he ruined the Dodgers in 2008
when he joined them mid-season and helped lead them to the post-season
by posting a 1232 OPS and helping them finish a 17-8 September run that
put them over the top. Or his contributions to the Dodgers winning the
division title again the following year.

I am curious to know which teams he has driven “down the tubes”
because of the “circus” that accompanies him. I can certainly understand
questions about what he has left at his age and given his injuries, but
as for his dire influence on teams he plays for, I see no compelling
evidence he has ever injured their chances to win and plenty to indicate
he was a major factor in their excellence.

Manny can be a handful, no question about it. But my sense is that, at this point in his career, his age and uncertain production are a way bigger risk than his antics.

  1. Trevor B - Aug 16, 2010 at 3:52 PM

    I agree with that post. You have to realize that a lot of the negative Manny Hype is just the media trying to make for a good story and over-blowing certain things or only giving you the information that shines the negative light. You never hear the media giving a post as to how Manny has helped teams.
    If the Twins weren’t so full in the OF department I’d certainly hope they’d take that circus to town for a season, but even if Thome doesn’t resign next year that’d be a massive DH, and at Manny’s age DHing might help him stay in the game for a few more years.
    Manny is a great baseball player, maybe not HOF material but still HORRG material.

  2. alterity - Aug 16, 2010 at 4:19 PM

    Manny not a HOFer? Really? And the “maybe” doesn’t absolve you.

  3. Glenn - Aug 16, 2010 at 4:42 PM

    As a BoSox fan, I don’t see Manny being a problem for a stretch run, post-season, or contract push. It’s those pesky seasons lost to injury (see 2006 BoSox) or all-star breaks that seem to bring out the worst Manny moments. His Boston meltdown was sort of a bizarro anti-contract push holding the team hostage to get his team options exercised. It just wouldn’t benefit Manny to be Manny down the stretch this year.

  4. Chris Fiorentino - Aug 17, 2010 at 8:02 AM

    How the hell is Manny not “HOF material”? If you want to say he doesn’t get in because of steroids, then that’s OK. But his career numbers are simply awesome. 554 HRs, .313/.411/.589, and an OPS+ of 155. On sheer numbers alone, he is a first-ballot HOFer. However, with the nitwits who do the voting having their panties in a bunch, I doubt Manny will get a sniff. But he certainly is a HOFer and NOT “HORRG material”

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