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Did Jose Canseco flip on Roger Clemens?

Aug 19, 2010, 5:03 PM EDT

You may remember that one of the big points of contention in Roger Clemens’ hearing before Congress was whether or not he was at a party at Jose Canseco’s house back in 1998 during which steroids were discussed. McNamee said Clemens was there. Clemens said he was not.

Jose Canseco has long backed Clemens, saying no, he was not there.  Back in June he testified before the grand jury and — while cameras and stuff aren’t allowed in the grand jury room — Canseco told reporters afterward that he again reiterated that, no, Clemens was not there.

Seems hard to square with the fact that the indictment specifically charges Clemens with lying about not being at the party. If Jose Canseco really did stick to his guns under oath, I’m not sure how Clemens could be charged. Likewise, the easiest way to charge Clemens with lying about that statement was if Canseco flipped on him.

And if Jose didn’t flip, and said that Clemens was not at the party, and the grand jury knows that’s a lie (which they must to have indicted Clemens), wouldn’t Jose Canseco be subject to a charge of lying to the grand jury too?

  1. lessick - Aug 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM

    Maybe someone else placed Clemens at the party?

  2. David - Aug 19, 2010 at 5:37 PM

    That 1998 party, in my opinion, is just one step above being a total red herring. Yes, we know that Andy Pettitte specifically verified Clemens’ presence there. And, yes, McNamee had zero incentive to lie but tons of incentive to tell the truth. And, yes, we know that there have been numerous reports that Clemens was trying to influence Canseco and, yes, we know that there are reports of photos from the party showing Clemens in attendance, and, yes, this right here is perjury….but it still doesn’t really matter.

    ….Because whether or not that party had been brought up (in either the Mitchell Report or the congressional hearings) doesn’t even approach the significance of McNamee’s testimony, Clemens’s wife admitting she used HGH, the fact that McNamee’s credibility is bolstered by both Andy Pettitte and the circumstances, the needles with Clemens’ DNA, and probably about a hundred other facts that weren’t listed in the indictment – like the reported photo(s) from the 1998 party.

    So whether Canseco told the grand jury the opposite of what he told the public (which is a very significant possibility) or whether he told them that he didn’t recall or that he didn’t see everybody who was there is irrelevant.

    Roger Clemens should have done with Bush and Cheney did with the 9/11 Commission – refuse to go under oath and mandate that testimony won’t be recorded or even transcribed. How can you perjure yourself if there’s no oath in the first place? THAT’S brains for you, folks!

  3. Gobias Industries - Aug 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM

    So let’s say the over/under on the number of posts on Clemens over the next several months is 100. I’m going with under.

  4. thelongstar - Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 AM

    It was the butler, in the kitchen, with the candlestick.

  5. Don - Aug 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM

    Somebody may have had a picture of him in fact being there. Seems logical.

  6. walk - Aug 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM

    I can understand the perjury charge but seriously even if he lied and thats a big if they allegedly discussed steroids not the assasination of the pope or something. This crap is getting personal and petty in the extreme.

  7. BC - Aug 20, 2010 at 10:19 AM

    “NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise…surprise and fear…fear and surprise…. Our TWO weapons are fear and surprise…and ruthless efficiency…. Our THREE weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope…. Our FOUR…no… Amongst our weapons…. Amongst our weaponry…are such elements as fear, surprise…. “
    Sorry for that folks. It just popped into my head.

  8. Snookiman - Aug 20, 2010 at 10:40 AM

    1) Clemens was washed up when he left Boston; check the record of his last 3 seasons there
    2) The first half of his first season in Toronto was mediocre
    3) His sudden, meteoric turn around tracks directly to the day re: McNamee’s testimony about when he started juicing
    4) His PR campaign – the vigilant denials, the walking tour through Congress the day before he testified, the faux angry press conference a few weeks before that – were a complete disaster and offensive to anyone with more than a 4th grade education
    5) If charged with a felony, I’d take my chances with NO defense before I’d hire Rusty Hardin
    6) Elijah Cummings is a hero for calling him out during the Congressional hearings

  9. Snookiman - Aug 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM

    1) Clemens was washed up when he left Boston; check the record of his last 3 seasons there
    2) The first half of his first season in Toronto was mediocre
    3) His sudden, meteoric turn around tracks directly to the day re: McNamee’s testimony about when he started juicing
    4) His PR campaign – the vigilant denials, the walking tour through Congress the day before he testified, the faux angry press conference a few weeks before that – were a complete disaster and offensive to anyone with more than a 4th grade education
    5) If charged with a felony, I’d take my chances with NO defense before I’d hire Rusty Hardin
    6) Elijah Cummings is a hero for calling him out during the Congressional hearings

  10. YANKEES1996 - Aug 20, 2010 at 11:47 AM

    It truly is ironic that when this entire fiasco began Canseco was litterly run out of baseball and openly labeled a liar. Now it seems that all he had to say was the truth and people like Clemens and Bonds are being tried for lying about their involvement with steroids, at the very least Clemens would have most likely been given the benefit of the doubt had he told the truth and I believe that Bonds would not being having nearly the problems he is having. But Canseco told the truth (apparently) and it seems that he has suffered just as much as the liars. It used to be the widely expected behaviour to tell the truth when asked questions about something, now in this day and age it seems to be exactly the opposite, a good lie shall set you free!

  11. Florida727 - Aug 20, 2010 at 12:39 PM

    I’ll tell you what’s REALLY ironic: someone being charged with lying TO politicians. How about indicting Obama to simply get PROOF that he was even born in America? Or get him to testify UNDER OATH that he’s not a Muslim. Good news though: since the government’s not in debt or anything, they’ve got enough time and energy to deal with a career criminal like Clemens. Thank goodness this national security breach by a baseball player will finally be brought to conclusion. I’ll sleep better tonight… right after tapping into my 401K so I can pay my mortgage.

  12. ttcherrick - Aug 20, 2010 at 1:12 PM

    Poke him with the soft cushions!!!

  13. Huddy - Aug 20, 2010 at 1:27 PM

    At this point…Really who gives a rats ass about the steroid era or Rog? Let it go.

  14. Kiwicricket - Aug 20, 2010 at 3:35 PM

    Seriously….what is wrong with you? (There is a broad range of acceptable answers) Please refrain from slugging your wife and kicking your cat Sir. Although I am kind of curious….you need to know the religious beliefs of a person you’ve never met, or never voted for?

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