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Your absolutely gobsmacking statistic of the day: Derek Jeter division

Sep 3, 2010, 8:47 AM EDT

I know Jeter is having a bad year at the plate. I looked at his stat line as recently as yesterday. Still, seeing his season characterized thusly is the kind of thing that makes your brain seize up and your jaw go slack:

let the record show that on Sept. 2, 2010 Yuniesky Betancourt (95 OPS+) had a higher OPS+ than Derek Jeter (94 OPS+)

That comes in Joe Posnanski’s latest musing on Jeter and his contract status. It’s still too early for me to really think hard about that status because I think the conversation about the kind of deal he gets from the Yankees will have a totally different tone if New York repeats as champions than it would have if, say, they get knocked out in the ALDS or something.  We’ll have plenty of time for that this fall and winter, believe me.

But yeah, that Betancourt thing has pretty much wrecked me for the rest of the morning.

  1. Kevin S. - Sep 3, 2010 at 8:59 AM

    To be fair, Jeter beats Yuni in wOBA (.317-.310) and wRC+ (97 to 90).
    The fact that Jeter even needs to be defended against the likes of Yuni, however, is a sad, sad state of affairs.

  2. Professor Longnose - Sep 3, 2010 at 9:21 AM

    Also to be fair, that 95 OPS+ is a career high for Betancourt. He’s actually having a reasonable season. Even Joe Posnanski wrote an article recently about how Betancourt doesn’t seem so horrible anymore, although he phrased it mostly in a “he seems to be trying harder” way.
    This year, Jeter is playing as about an average AL shortstop. Yeah, he’s old.

  3. murd - Sep 3, 2010 at 9:23 AM

    I’m not yet convinced that he’s completely done as a player, although I don’t see him playing short every day past next year really. But when he is done, do you think he becomes a coach? Maybe he’s talked about this, but if so I haven’t heard it. He seems like he studies the game enough to be the coaching type, but then there’s the whole thing about great players not being good coaches. Which side is Jeter on?

  4. BC - Sep 3, 2010 at 9:31 AM

    Yeah, that’s it. I say release him now.

  5. Kevin S. - Sep 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM

    He has stated aspirations of being an owner, which could be partly behind the reports that he wants to make the Yankees break the bank for him.

  6. GP - Sep 3, 2010 at 10:59 AM

    Based on nothing other than my own fallible observations, Jeter seems to be more of an instinctual player than a studious player. I’m not saying he doesn’t do his homework but I’m not sure he’s studied things down to the minute detail level where he could then pass it on as a coach.
    A great player for sure, but to me, ownership seems like it fits him better than coaching. Time will tell.

  7. YANKEES1996 - Sep 3, 2010 at 11:58 AM

    I hope the Yankees will simply offer him a fair deal in the 2 to 3 year range at a modest salary and Jeter accepts and we all move on. I really see no reason to throw him overboard right now as he is still a top notch SS. One bad year or one year with slightly lower numbers is no reason to completely write of the Captain. The contract situation has to be handled as soon as the off season begins however because the Yankees should not want to convey the feeling of we just don’t need you anymore to the “Greatest Yankee of All Time”.

  8. John_Michael - Sep 3, 2010 at 12:04 PM

    Exactly. Remember when he was noted as being the worst defensive SS in the majors? He dismissed all defensive statistical measures. Now that may have been a PR thing, but it could also be insightful to how he views the game.

  9. Simon DelMonte - Sep 3, 2010 at 12:06 PM

    If what JoPo writes is accurate, though, the Yankees need to pay Jeter top money. That could complicate things even for a team that can afford it and even with a player who has earned it.

  10. The Real Shuxion - Sep 3, 2010 at 12:36 PM

    He is a top notch SS but he is not the best SS on his team (Look to your right Jeter)

  11. JBerardi - Sep 3, 2010 at 2:56 PM

    Great players have a hard time teaching, because so much of what they do can’t be taught. I also think there’s an ego issue… Jeter probably isn’t just going to get directly installed on the Yankees coaching staff. Teams just don’t do that. More likely, he’d have to go manage a farm team, be a roving instructor, or something of that nature first. He’d have to go back to the bus leagues and prove himself all over again. How many people think Derek Jeter is chomping at the bit to go do that? There’s a reason he’s talking about being part of the team’s ownership.

    Really, I think that’s why great players are so rarely good managers. They just don’t have the mentality to do all the hard work at the lower levels to prove themselves. It’s different for guys who never made the majors, or where fringe players. It’s a second chance to stick in the show, and be a part of a MLB club. Consider a guy who spends years in the minors, working hard, being a consummate student of hitting, and ultimately, he gets like two major league hits in his one September callup. For that guy, coaching can be a way to impart all the things he’s learned to players who have more natural talent than he did, to see those guys succeed at the MLB level, and to be a part of that success. For someone who wanted that success for himself but never got it, it must be tremendously rewarding to help other guys get it. But for Jeter? He’s just going to be sitting there, wondering why these bums he’s stuck managing can’t catch up to a fastball or lay off a breaking pitch the way he used to…

  12. JBerardi - Sep 3, 2010 at 2:58 PM

    You mean at that guy with the bum hip? Pretty sure A-Rod’s shortstoppin’ days are over.

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