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The Royals are 67-98 in Zack Greinke's 165 career starts

Sep 9, 2010, 4:18 PM EDT

Zack Greinke threw eight innings last night and allowed four runs against one of the best lineups in the league. He lost. And he usually does, not because Greinke is bad but because his teammates are horrible. He has a perfectly solid 3.90 ERA and the Royals are 10-19 in his starts.
None of which is anything new. Last night was the 165th start of Greinke’s career. He has a 3.77 ERA as a starter, and to put that in context the two best team ERAs in the league this season are 3.58 and 3.84. So in his 165 career starts Greinke has essentially given the Royals the equivalent of the best pitching staff in the league while he’s in the game.
And in those 165 starts the Royals are 67-98. Seriously.
When given 165 starts of his 3.77 ERA starting pitching the Royals have won 40.6 percent of the time, which is almost unfathomable. During that same time period the Royals have won 40.4 percent of their games started by someone other than Greinke. And believe me, the “someones” who started those other 784 games didn’t come close to posting a 3.77 ERA.
Poor guy.

  1. BCTF - Sep 9, 2010 at 4:34 PM

    So if they had Greinke start every game they would still loose almost 100 games a year

  2. Steve C - Sep 9, 2010 at 4:37 PM

    Using WPA, the story stat, Grienke should be about 24 games above 500 for his career (94 – 70)

  3. minnesconsin_ad - Sep 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

    i was watching last night’s game and *almost* felt bad for the guy. always happy to see the twins beat him, but did anyone else note the completely defeated look on his face when things fell apart in the bottom of the 5th? with guys on 1st and 2nd, tolbert singles to right. the lead runner was going to pretty easily score, yet the right-fielder makes a terrible throw in, flying the cut-off and allowing everyone to move up. He just looked like, “what the hell am i doing out here with these guys anyway?” the fact that span tripled in the next at-bat rendered the position of the baserunners meaningless, but the point is, you could almost see Greinke’s head exploding after the first run scored and he looked like he had zero confidence in his team.

  4. kcfan - Sep 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM

    We get it. Royals suck and they have for years.. They have tons of talent in the minors, if they all come up together, live up to their potential, and dont get traded off Zach could win a few cy youngs then.. That is if he believes KC has a shot to be good in the future and doesnt go play elsewhere. And of course if he can still pitch at the level he has in the past.. It will take a few years but they will get there.

  5. kevinapps - Sep 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM

    Greinke just doesn’t know how to win.
    Sabathia would still find a way to win 20 games with the Royals.
    /sarcasm off

  6. Professor Longnose - Sep 10, 2010 at 8:34 AM

    Does starting pitching mean particularly little to a bad team in general? Why does it make so little difference to the Royals chances of winning whether Greinke starts or not? What factors do make a big difference, if any?

  7. Ari Collins - Sep 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM

    The point isn’t that they suck. It’s that they somehow have managed to suck harder to make up for Grienke’s not-sucking-ness whenever he’s on the mound. If I’ve got my decimals right, in Grienke’s career, they have an.002 higher winning percentage when he pitches than when he doesn’t. It’s like he says, “One is all I need tonight, boys,” and so they give him exactly that. Minus a run.

  8. kcfan - Sep 10, 2010 at 12:43 PM

    Its not like its just coincidence that they dont hit as well when hes on the mound.. They are usually going against the other teams ace, if he was pitching against other teams 3 or 4 pitcher he would have more run support

  9. D-Luxxx - Sep 10, 2010 at 4:51 PM

    That may be true for the first 5-10 starts, but after that you know everyone’s rotations aren’t exactly in synch. Unless you want to call guys Brian Dunsing and Jeanmar Gomez “aces”. Granted the third loss in that stretch was to Bonderman, but really, I bet if you had the motivation to look up his game logs this season, he’s had maybe 1/4 of his starts against an “ace”.

  10. D-Luxxx - Sep 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM

    Just realized my post makes no sense. I’ll clarify. In his last three losses, maybe one of those was against an ace (Bonderman). I’m not even sure if you could call him that anymore either…

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