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Quote of the Day: Gary Shelton on pitcher wins

Sep 29, 2010, 1:01 PM EDT

I'll stop gettin' angry at people who dis King Felix when people stop saying stupid things about him.

Gary Shelton of the St. Petersburg Times wrote his David-Price-for-Cy-Young-Award column today, and this passage made my head ‘asplode:

“Look, it is true that victories aren’t the most telling indicator of a
pitcher’s success, but if wins don’t matter, why is it that most of the
good pitchers have so many of them?”

Mr. Shelton: if victories are the most telling indicator of a
pitcher’s success, why don’t the best pitchers have the most of them? Or do you really believe that Bob Welch’s 1990 season was the best pitching performance in the past 40 years?

  1. Mrsteve - Sep 29, 2010 at 4:53 PM

    Duh, that’s why I said if it were Maddux or Smoltz or Glavin who Craig loves he wouldn’t have said that. Nobody has ever accused you of being a genius obviously.

  2. kevinapps - Sep 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM

    You pick out how many times they have faced the big 3 AL East squads in particular…but what about the teams they’ve faced overall? Hernandez has started 19 games against teams at .500 or better and 15 against sub-.500 teams. Sabathia has that flipped (15 against .500+, 19 against sub-.500).
    And as to defense, according to Fangraphs UZR, the Mariners have the 6th-best defense in the AL. the Yankees are 7th.
    And ballpark is accounted for in ERA+ and in RAR. And Felix still comes out ahead.

  3. easports82 - Sep 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM

    1 and 2) if you’re making a “pressure” argument, then how about the pressure of going out each start knowing that if you give up 2 runs, you’re probably going to lose?
    3) Winning is the most import thing and it REQUIRES the team! How many runs have Price and CC knocked in? None. They rely on their teams to support them, which they have, while the M’s consistently let Felix down. It’s probably nice to pitch with a 5 run cushion…
    4) Refer to point 3
    5) “Clutch performers” have been disproved many times. Good players perform; bad players don’t.

  4. Michael - Sep 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

    Does anyone know where the terms of service for comments on this site are? Because I’m pretty sure this homophobic BS violates them. And I’ve been a cocksucker for years and I’m as smart as ever.

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