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Hugo Chavez to Edgar Renteria: “We beat Bush’s team!”

Nov 4, 2010, 8:28 PM EDT

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez talks on the phone with Edgar Renteria in Caracas

This is absolutely delicious.

Earlier this week Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez and Colombian president Juan Manuel Santos had a summit meeting.  As recounted in this BBC report, the meeting was interrupted so Santos could call national hero Edgar Renteria and congratulate him on winning the World Series.  Chavez, a huge baseball fan, spoke with Renteria too. And yes, that’s actually a picture of Chavez on the phone talking to Renteria.

What didn’t make the BBC report, however — but which did make it into Daniel Lozano’s report in the Spanish language paper Publico was this:

“The two leaders joked over the phone with baseball player Edgar Renteria, the star who just won the baseball title for the San Francisco Giants after 56 years. Chavez challenged him to a Caimanera (a casual game) and confessed his joy at the victory: ‘We beat Bush’s team!'”

That’s some tasty world-leader-level taunting.  But man, I’m glad we have term limits in this country. If Bush were still in office the air strikes would be launched by dawn.

(thanks to Nick Collias for the heads up and the translation of the Lozano report)

  1. Richard In Big D - Nov 4, 2010 at 9:00 PM

    Bush’s team? He wasn’t even the LAST owner! Don’t these people keep up with what’s going on? How can you be a world leader with your head that far up your ass? Oh, I forgot. It’s a prerequisite…

  2. fquaye149 - Nov 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM

    Certainly Bush feels no connection to the Rangers as evidenced by him being in attendance at every Rangers playoff game.

    • Richard In Big D - Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM

      Sure he does. He’s got baseball in his blood (he was an Ivy League 3rd baseman), and he lives in Dallas, PLUS, he used to be an owner (until about a dozen years ago), AND, he’s very good friends with one of the current owners. But, any more, it’s no more his team than it is mine.

      • suppjamieee - Nov 5, 2010 at 11:04 AM

        Haha, it’s just so funny to see Bush and Ivy League in the same sentence.

  3. benedettisj - Nov 4, 2010 at 9:35 PM

    I’m sitting here in El Dorado Intl airport in Bogota, Colombia – a nice little place Chavez threatens to invade any time anyone looks at him cross-eyed. The man is, quite simply, the worlds biggest egomaniac of the moment. He’s got this hate thing for G. Bush and the rest of the U.S. – in his words the evil empire. And this is funny?

    Such a baseball fan, he doesn’t know G.B. doesn’t have much to do with the Rangers these days, other than being a fan.

    • bigharold - Nov 5, 2010 at 1:59 AM

      “He’s got this hate thing for G. Bush and the rest of the U.S. – in his words the evil empire.”

      He doesn’t like the Yankees? Is Hugo really a RS fan?

    • marieone - Nov 5, 2010 at 4:39 AM

      Who cares what this dictator says or does? Why is this even news? You just encourage him by giving him press….

      Maybe some day, one of his peasants, will get enough balls to @ss@sinate him!

  4. rushified2112 - Nov 4, 2010 at 10:01 PM

    here’s an idea,instead of trying to suck up to this maniac and giving aid to his country how about we just stop all foreign aid to this third world hell hole and let him take care of all it’s problems. to bad if it hurts the people of that country they elected him so deal with it. that way he does not have deal with this evil empire and we don’t have to listen him.

    • Old Gator - Nov 4, 2010 at 10:17 PM

      Aid? Um….Venezuela is the biggest oil exporter in South America. We buy a sizable percentage of our heavy crude from Venezuela, and Chavez has sent aid in the form of free heating oil to several of our urban slums. Next time you’re at a cocktail party with an Exxon executive, why not ask him how many barrels of free heating oil his company has donated to our urban poor? Let the Venezuelan economy cave and you’ll be chopping down your backyard oak to heat your house this winter. For all the grandstanding, the oil companies are doing business as usual with Chavez and his rigs. Moreover, he’s done a commendable job of clearing urban slums, putting up clean, modern housing in their places – sorry, I’ve seen this firsthand – and building schools and hospitals with his oil money, and he’s also created more jobs per capita than we have over the past ten years. Yes, he’s an egomaniac. Yes, like most doctrinaire Marxists he’s made some dumb mistakes imposing command economics in sectors, especially some aspects of agriculture, where the free market was doing the job pretty well already. But at least he’s not just another bloodsucking crook in league with the national oil company they way his predecessors were.

      • rushified2112 - Nov 4, 2010 at 11:17 PM

        well then even better with all the oil money they have they should not have a problem when we stop sending them any aid. and as for his heating our urban slums show me where he actualy did it.I know he promised it but that was grandstanding on his part trying to show up bush. maybe you think it’s fine to hear some commie dictator bashing the U.S. but I don’t.it’s awsome you think he is doing great things,wonder if the people he has put in jail for disagreeing with him think he is so great or if the people whose freedom of speech he has taken away would agree with you. I know your still in morning because America woke up and voted out obama’s lacky’s and his liberal agenda but that’s how it works in a democracy.you don’t like it you vote for change! to bad the people of venezula don’t have that optopn.

      • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 12:07 AM

        The people of Venezuela do have that option. What you can’t choke down is that he remains immensely popular among his people and that he and those who support him consistently win their elections.

        I recall those like you croaking away that he was going to force Venezuelans to swallow the constitutional changes he wanted to make a few years back and then suddenly going silent when he lost the referendum, acceded to the will of his people, modified his agenda and won his next election. Some dictatorship, you knuckledragging boob. Incidentally, I see by your inability to capitalize, punctuate and construct correct, simple English syntax that you’re a typical right wing bozo – barely literate, willfully ignorant and always prepared to construct a parody of reality to suit your ideological constipation. Here’s some more information from that Marxist lackey of a newspaper, The Christian Science Monitor, http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2005/CITGO-Delahunt-Chavez25nov05.htm. The program has been running here and in Europe, quietly and without bombast, for years.

        And yes, I have seen the new apartments that replaced the slums in Caracas, toured the new schools and hospitals and cottage industry centers. There’s a reason why he’s popular, not that some Trailer Park Network watcher would understand why suddenly having their kids educated, real jobs, food in their bellies and, of course, that sure sign of Commie dictatorship, decent medical care, would incline Venezuelans to vote for him time and again.

        As far as Obama, he’s far from gone and the senate remains Democratic – this despite the Democrats’ all but incomprehensible ability to appear organized and focused. They deserved the beating they took – but then again, it was neither as sweeping as you apparently think it was (another senate race, in Washington, just went to the Democrat, Murray, and the Republican Year of the Crackpot Woman didn’t end well with Angle and McDonnell losing to sane people) nor is it likely to result in any sort of upside for this economy or the rest of us.

      • tadthebad - Nov 5, 2010 at 8:58 AM

        I though Human Rights were important – it’s what good little liberals such as yourself always say, especially when complaining about W. Chavez has the majority of media and unions in lock-step by political/economic prejudice and force, with little freedom of the press to actually, you know, criticize Chavez. Of course the media he chooses to sponsor is going to support him and tout his “accomplishments”. Let’s not forget that he has substantial control over the courts. That’s just scratching the surface. Human rights are only an issue when it’s a conservative in question. If we’re talking about a liberal or socialist, human rights take a back seat to the “improvements” made, with no mention of the real goal – greater contol of the populace.

      • Jonny 5 - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM

        Gator, I love your insight. But truthfully, you’re very lucky to be a citizen of this nation. Had you been a citizen of Venezuela, and spoken up about your displeasure in gov’t, as you so often do in respect to this one, you more than likely would be incarcerated for the rest of your life if you didn’t end up dying mysteriously. I can’t support or speak well of a dictator such as he is. Ask Franciso Usón about it all, if he’s sill alive… See he was in Gov’t, He mentioned the implications that Venezuelan troops were murdered by flame thrower, while he was on an opinion talk show,and was detained. Not only was he jailed, but he also was injected with enough adrenaline to kill most men while in a military hospital, not once, but twice. He lived. Hugo Chavez ignores the constitution of his own gov’t and does as he wishes. Why is this? Because most people in high enough places to make a difference, are scared of their own deaths. Sure he may not be the worst dictator the world has ever seen, but to act as if he’s a good man, just because he’s one of those right wing hot button topics. Is irresponsible and avoiding the facts. You’re a liberal, who’s rallying cry is human rights and equality, and it makes not an ounce of sense to support this man or his way of ruling his country. And that’s all I got to say about that.

      • heartmyphillies - Nov 5, 2010 at 12:05 PM

        Old Gator, you had me at ideological constipation, in the post below. I almost choked on my coffee. Made my day!

    • jhu1997 - Nov 5, 2010 at 3:10 AM

      The United States provides no significant aid to Venezuela at all. I’m not disputing that Chavez may be a Castro-style despot, but your complaint is utterly incorrect and invalid.

      • marieone - Nov 5, 2010 at 4:57 AM

        CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez ordered the expropriation of U.S.-based glass container manufacturer Owens-Illinois Inc.’s subsidiary in the South American country.

        Company spokeswoman Stephanie Johnston said today that “we were surprised to learn of this decision and we are prepared to work with government officials to better understand the situation.”

        Chavez announced plans to expropriate the company in a televised speech late Monday. The leftist leader criticized the company’s practices in the country, saying it had been “taking away the money of Venezuelans” and exploiting local people.

        Chavez did not detail his complaints about the Owens-Illinois, which is based in Perrysburg, Ohio.

        “O-I has been supplying glass food and beverage containers to meet the needs of the Venezuelan people for more than 50 years,” Johnston said. “Our two plants in Venezuela, located in Los Guayos and Valera, employ more than 1,000 people and represent less than 5 percent of our global segment operating profit.”

        Owens-Illinois is the world’s largest glass container manufacturer, with operations in 22 countries.

        The subsidiary Owens-Illinois de Venezuela CA counts among its clients Nestle, PepsiCo Inc. and Empresas Polar, which produces the local beer Polar.

        It was unclear how the government would handle compensation for Owens-Illinois’ assets in Venezuela, or how the takeover would affect supply agreements with the company’s clients.

        Chavez has nationalized or expropriated a wide range of companies, including cement makers, retail stores and a steel maker, while seeking to lead Venezuela toward a socialist system.

        Government opponents and business leaders say the seizures are hobbling the economy and spooking investors.

        Chavez said in his speech that more expropriations are planned.

        “There’s another list around here,” Chavez said, but added that he would save additional announcements for later.

        This dictator is not a friend of the United States…..I refuse to buy gas from any company that buys from him….he doesn’t want to do fair trade with us; why should we by his oil?

      • Jonny 5 - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:30 AM

        Well, all I have to say about that is. Stop sending our MFG to other countries and that won’t happen. But if i were Owens, i’d burn it to the ground before I handed over the keys….

      • suppjamieee - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:56 AM

        I love this. Now maybe the USA can have those jobs back!

  5. belida40 - Nov 4, 2010 at 11:08 PM

    Who cares what Chavez thinks?

    • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 12:10 AM

      Apparently, the millions of Venezuelans who keep voting for him and his programs – although, I grant you, it doesn’t exactly take a genius to recognize that Bush is a criminal and a moron.

      • exexexceo - Nov 5, 2010 at 12:34 AM

        I will not dispute anything except for the last word. He is not a Moron, it’s psychology operations 101. He acted yes he acted that way for the common people vote, Trust me on this one it was for the most part a deliberate maneuver to appear as a buffoon at times so that he could identify with the “little” people that are afraid of what they don’t understand. If you were to talk to him in person you would be utterly shocked ;), and that’s a bet i would win.

      • papajohn56 - Nov 5, 2010 at 3:19 AM

        Right, because people keep ‘voting’ for Chavez. Opposition votes mean about as much as they do in North Korea.

      • atapcreations - Nov 5, 2010 at 9:54 AM

        No, I believe Bush really was and is a moron. His handlers take care of everything for him. And sure, he really considered dumping Cheney in 2004? Right… Cheney really ran the Bush government with Rove, Wolfowitz, and a rogues gallery of Neo-Cons.

    • exexexceo - Nov 5, 2010 at 12:12 AM

      Look calling either man is demeaning. It’s a fact Hugo has some problems and that Bush is a fascist with thirst for war. I’m just glad we are still here and you crazy fascists that have taken over my country haven’t tried to kill all the workers that serve you. We still have Baseball!

      • papajohn56 - Nov 5, 2010 at 3:20 AM

        “Hugo has some problems”

        Your ability to understate things is amazing.

  6. hawkeye27 - Nov 5, 2010 at 1:27 AM

    Old Gator, Are you talking about the same chavez that just became best pals with one of the worlds most evil, insane dictators Irans president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad . yeah thats right they want to start the “NWO” the New World Order. Good call on that one chavez. well they both have alot in common with being horrible dictators, kill and slaughter the ones that oppose them, fix the elections, jail and imprison everyone and both hate the USA cause of jealously of being stuck in 3rd world crap shoot that no one really cares about. And the best is chavezs is threating to shoot down American planes…..with what rocks? Go ahead hugo try that see how it works out. But best of luck on that NWO thing with iran. (obviously no civil country wants to be riends with hugo so iran had to do)

    • suppjamieee - Nov 5, 2010 at 9:28 AM

      You’d be surprised what American political leaders are also privvy to the NWO, sir.

    • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:12 AM

      Chavez’ friendships with thugs like Ahmadinejad and Belarus’ Lukashenko are strategic partnerships designed to keep us, our rapacious corporations and our meddling intelligence services off-guard. It’s deeply unfortunate that he pals around with such slugs – about as unfortunate as our palling around with the likes of Pinochet, Karzai, the People’s Republic of China, the Saudi royal family, the Somali warlords we routinely do business with, Samosa, Zia al-Huq, the pre-Mandela white South African regimes, the Israeli bulldozer drivers who plough Palestinian homes under on a daily basis (reminds me of the old Firesign Theater routine: “This is a line of Indians leaving Rancho Malario – to make room for you!)….it’s not exactly like we’ve got clean hands ourselves, is it? Geopolitical gamesmanship is ugly all around.

      Travel in Latin America a little more. The wealthy think he’s a buffoon but they also know he’s crazy like a fox. Latin American politics features a brand of bloviated showmanship that, except maybe for Glenn Beck and the Moose Turd Queen, is not all that familiar to us. Chavez is a hero to millions for the way he thumbs his nose at us but mainly for what he has given back to his own people.

      And when you do travel in Latin America, take along a copy of Cien Anos de Soledad. It’ll explain a lot, and make you laugh at the same time even if you’re a TPN fan.

      • wasfromthere - Nov 5, 2010 at 12:09 PM

        A lot have been said already about Chavez in this blog, nevertheless I must confess my surprise when I read Old Gator comments. He sounds so literate and so confident, but I don’t know where he gets his facts about the Chavez regime. He dazzles me with his knowledge of geo-politics, but he also baffles me with his naive acceptance of Chavez’s propaganda. I do not believe he has been there and seen the “good things” Chavez has done for the Venezuelan people. And this is simply because he hasn’t done any. He has tried, I must concede, but the kind of short minded fully ideologized people ha has put in charge of the plentiful social programs (most of them copied from Fidel’s in Cuba) have not been able to make them happen. All he has managed to do with them is to create a huge machinery of corruption that has made many new millionaires (so much for “new socialism of the XXI century”). Also, Chavez has lost great part of his followers to hunger, social insecurity and discontent for unfulfilled promises (11 years worth). In the last polls where representatives for the legislative assembly where elected 53% of voters casted ballots for the opposition to Chavez’s party, and all this new take-overs are in part pointed towards gaining back the votes from his once followers by presenting him as the one who is fighting the imperialism (who he says is the source of all problems in Venezuela) and giving back the resources, and thus the power, to the Venezuelan people. He is losing that social fighter shine that got him elected the first time (when he didn’t rig the election) and he wants it back no matter what. Also, Mr Old Gator, human rights DO matter. Not only should you look into the political prisoners in Venezuela, but also into the 23000 workers from the Venezuelan oil company fired for participating in a strike, conveniently declared illegal by his hostage judicial system. A great percentage of them had to leave the country because the government not only fired them from their jobs, but prevented them to follow their careers in Venezuela. I do not pretend to change your mind or opinions Mr Old Gator, I just suggest that, for the sakes of all the readers, you get your facts right and do not succumb to the beautiful words, filled with this precious utopia of communism, of Chavez’s propaganda.

      • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 1:44 PM

        Wasfromthere: oh, so he’s losing ground in elections? Well, now, that’s something that happens all the time in “communist dictatorships,” isn’t it?

        Look, I never said that Venezuela was a utopia, that Chavez was a saint, that he hadn’t made mistakes (matter of fact I said exactly the opposite) or that there were no problems with human rights. What I did say was that Chavez remains hugely popular, that he has cleaned up slums, returned opportunities to the common people who were exploited and victimized by the corporatist sham democracy that was “Puntofijismo” that he destroyed when he was elected, and under which a privileged few Venezuelans in league with American and European multinationals bled the country white and uploaded its riches to offshore banks.

        Of course human rights matter, but at the same time the revolution has the right to protect itself from subversion and foreign meddling. We’re not exactly a perfect human rights exemplar either – witness Bush’s memoir, recently expectorated by his publisher, wherein he takes “credit” for such staunch defenses of basic rights and decency as waterboarding. It’s amusing, in a sick way, watching him making his case for reopening Spandau and lockling him in the basement for the rest of his miserable life, but by the same token Chavez can’t exactly take credit for ordering the slaughter of a quarter of a million innocent Iraqi citizens, either. On the other hand, It’s fascinating to listen to people complain about human rights abuses and celebrate electoral gains by the opposition in the same breath. What I object to is the representation of Chavez as a despot on the same order as Ahmadinejad, Kim or Lukashenko. He’s not in their league, just as they’re not nearly as boring as he is if you’re stuck in a hotel room in Caracas on a rainy night and there’s nothing on TV but a rerun of ‘Alo Presidente.

      • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 1:44 PM

        Wasfromthere: oh, so he’s losing ground in elections? Well, now, that’s something that happens all the time in “communist dictatorships,” isn’t it?

        Look, I never said that Venezuela was a utopia, that Chavez was a saint, that he hadn’t made mistakes (matter of fact I said exactly the opposite) or that there were no problems with human rights. What I did say was that Chavez remains hugely popular, that he has cleaned up slums, returned opportunities to the common people who were exploited and victimized by the corporatist sham democracy that was “Puntofijismo” that he destroyed when he was elected, and under which a privileged few Venezuelans in league with American and European multinationals bled the country white and uploaded its riches to offshore banks.

        Of course human rights matter, but at the same time the revolution has the right to protect itself from subversion and foreign meddling. We’re not exactly a perfect human rights exemplar either – witness Bush’s memoir, recently expectorated by his publisher, wherein he takes “credit” for such staunch defenses of basic rights and decency as waterboarding. It’s amusing, in a sick way, watching him making his case for reopening Spandau and locking him in the basement for the rest of his miserable life, but by the same token Chavez can’t exactly take credit for ordering the slaughter of a quarter of a million innocent Iraqi citizens, either. On the other hand, It’s fascinating to listen to people complain about human rights abuses and celebrate electoral gains by the opposition in the same breath. What I object to is the representation of Chavez as a despot on the same order as Ahmadinejad, Kim or Lukashenko. He’s not in their league, just as they’re not nearly as boring as he is if you’re stuck in a hotel room in Caracas on a rainy night and there’s nothing on TV but a rerun of ‘Alo Presidente.

      • tadthebad - Nov 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM

        Gator, just like don’t consider Chavez a saint, a lot of us filthy conservatives never thought W was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He’s just much, much, much better than Chavez. And, there’s also a much better system in place, corrupt as it is, to provide some level of control and/or balance. Both leaders have blood on their hands.

        And as rancid as it was, the 2000 election was decided in accordance with existing laws, correct? Again, I’m not commenting on the “justice” of those laws, only that there were laws in place for that event, and those laws were followed, iirc.

      • thekcubrats - Nov 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM

        ah yes, 100 Years of Solitude; wish I could’ve read it in the original

        and, uh, well, someone needs to drop some knowledge on tadtheheadwound; the Supreme Court (Bush’s daddy’s Supremes) did not use existing law at all to install W as Pres, in fact they wrote a unique decision that declared that it was so unique and the situation so unique their ruling couldn’t be used as precedent; i.e., 5 activist judges crowned the President, in spite of and spitting in the face of established law, the Constitution, and every public oath they ever took, pretending that if they didn’t the country would be lost, embroiled in controversy

        read a book, sunshine; think a thought that wasn’t handed to you gift-wrapped

  7. Walk - Nov 5, 2010 at 3:54 AM

    I didnt realise San Francisco was playing Venezuela.

  8. marieone - Nov 5, 2010 at 5:28 AM

    Chavez is an egomaniac; he only remains in power because he rigs elections; any opposition, is intimidated and ‘encouraged’ not to run in the elections, or a plant, to make it look good.
    The free world will have to deal with this maniac; who has no understanding of the meaning of “fair trade”. He expects us to keep buying his oil; while he is driving out U.S. businesses like Owens, and others, who employ thousands of people in Venezeula.
    And as for him donating free fuel for poor people….he has an agenda….never think that he doesn’t. People like Chavez, don’t give anything away, without having something in mind to receive in return.
    Anyone who believes a single word that comes out of his lying mouth, is one brick shy of a load.

    • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:32 AM

      The OAS, which routinely monitors Venezuelan elections, as well as a host of other international rights organizations don’t agree with you. Whereas they don’t find them pristine (heh, imagine what they would have said about Bush’s theft of the 2000 election), they find them overall fair and well-organized. What you mean is that it’s impossible that the Venezuelan people as a whole might appreciate what Chavez has done for them, understand that it takes patience and sacrifice to reorganize a society with long deep roots in corruption and show-democracy, and therefore must be pressured and intimidated to vote in other directions than you might.

      Of course, they don’t have the kind of fair, open debate we enjoy – like, for example, when that fat fascist junkie Limbaugh, the Moose Turd Queen and her blowhard buddy Beck dispensed their gangs of thugs to disrupt the nationwide town meetings on health care reform. ‘Member that?

  9. Panda Claus - Nov 5, 2010 at 7:30 AM

    My Spanish is a bit rusty, but I’m pretty certain “Chavez” means “dirtbag”. The Rangers have had 7 Venezuelan players in their history (Giants a few more), so how does Hugo Dirtbag rationalize that fact away?

    Armando Gallaraga was the last Venezuelan to play for Texas from what I can tell. I’m a bit surprised in retrospect, that Chavez didn’t swear out threats against Jim Joyce for taking away that perfect game this past season. Bush is probably close friends with Joyce.

    At least HugeEgo’s not still bitter about Bush. And I’m not bitter about Dirtbag either, so that’s probably a wash.

  10. rushified2112 - Nov 5, 2010 at 8:45 AM

    thanks fpr setting me straight old hippie I mean gator. that’s why I come to sports message baords,to you know be set set straight on politics and the liberal agenda and of coarse listen to DOUCHEBAGS like you tell me everything that is wrong with the U.S. and agree with insane world leaders who hate this country. I look forward to your next lecture on what poor misunderstood people those lunatics who run n.korea and iran are.

    • suppjamieee - Nov 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM

      Weren’t you the one who started this talk about politics? Your statement, “to bad if it hurts the people of that country they elected him so deal with it” kinda rings true of what an extremist (Taliban, etc) might say of American’s as well. It’s crazy how similar you are to someone you so staunchly hate :)
      It’s sad that you’re so obviously misinformed and uneducated, because I don’t think Old Gator was in fact telling you everything that was wrong with the US, because trust me, it’s a much bigger list. I believe he was correcting your poor, misguided attempt to bash Chavez with all the wrong information. Turn off Fox Marketing Media and go read a book.

    • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM

      I detest the regimes of both Iran and North Korea. See above my opinion of Chavez’ alliances with those assholes. Venezuela is nothing at all like them and Chavez has won his elections and passed his laws by democratic processes. Oppostion votes count for little because there are so few of them by comparison with the votes of his supporters and because the right in Venezuela is disorganized, fights amongst itself and hasn’t set forth any agenda that the poor are comfortable won’t mean they’ll lose the rights and opportunities they’ve gained under Chavez., something right wingnuts can’t seem to get through their thick skulls. Your problem is that because you think (if that’s the word) in pre-programmed packets of Faux News sound bites, you assume everyone else does too.

      Of course, aside from its growing brutality, I detest Iran because it’s a theocracy. Churchill famously (assuming you can read books without pictures in them) said that although democracy was a bad form of government, all the others were worse. There’s no worse form of government than a theocracy. If you don’t believe that, go ask the Moose Turd Queen about how the constitution never meant to separate church and state.

      • BC - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM

        I personally prefer the autonomous collective.

  11. happysocialist - Nov 5, 2010 at 9:26 AM

    Well guess what! I would rather have a marxist leader who does all he can to better the lives of his people than have a capitalist who does nothing for his people !!! How is that ???

    I do like Hugo Chavez for all he has done for his country.

    What you hear from your politicians and media is all propaganda. Venezuela has a lots of oil and they are free to sell it to who ever they want but as usual, americans want to command other world leader who to sell their oil to. If President chavez refuse to sell his oil to america, they will assassinate him, just like they did with Saddam Hussein !
    You americans are a bunch of ignorant, uneducated FOOLS !!!

  12. Ace - Nov 5, 2010 at 9:53 AM

    Oh, thank God for this. Craig, I know you were doing your damnedest to incite a fun little culture war throughout the Series, but it just never got much traction. I guess we needed to inject a real live Communist into the debate (and not just your average San Franciscan) to really get things going. Fantastic!

    • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:34 AM

      You have everything backwards. There is no such thing as doG.

      • Ace - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM

        Oh crap, you’re right. I missed a perfectly good chance to flaunt my status as a tofu-munching commie pervert Giants fan. Thank Buddha!

      • suppjamieee - Nov 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM

        What a self-rightous Christian you are, Ace!

      • Ace - Nov 5, 2010 at 11:49 AM

        Ha! I’ve been called plenty of things, but that’s a first. No, I really am a godless liberal vegetarian with loose morals.

  13. BC - Nov 5, 2010 at 10:39 AM

    Well that does it. I’m NEVER buying my gas, cigars and Cheez Doodles at Citgo again!

    • Old Gator - Nov 5, 2010 at 1:51 PM

      I use the local Citgo, as do most other folks in the neighborhood, Cubans included. They’re a few cents per gallon cheaper than the Shell or Exxon up the street. So much for ideology. Funny thing: until they got the Macondo well capped (which in itself is a great name for that rig, all you literate Latinos out there), the BP down the road sold the cheapest gas in town. After a few weeks, when folks’ short memories took over, their prices came back up to market levels. In the case of Citgo, who cares about communism, it was cheaper. In the case of BP, fuck the cormorants you know?

    • Jonny 5 - Nov 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM

      Now that the dust has settled….. wow… Is it any wonder why I hate politics and politicians? Is there anything known to man more divisive? Of all the ads this “season” I saw one by John Runyan that wasn’t a smear against another person running. There was barely any policy issues or plans described in these ads. Just smearing the opponents name. It makes me sick. So the people who know nothing but what the idiot box teaches are voting for the guy or gal who didn’t lie cheat and steal. Meanwhile they all do…… The dumber we get as a nation, the worse it’s going to get. And I think they actually like it that way. As soon as Aaaaalnold was elected as gov of Cali we all should have had a reality check. Are people really that stupid? An admitted steroid using muscle head, not born in this country was elected??? Really? He’s not even a good actor, how the Fvck does he get elected??? “it’s not a tuuumaaa” Well our deficit is now, and it is growing by the minute. What was it again? 2 billion annually just to cover the interest…. Yeah. Even Aaanold can’t save us from that, not that he would or could……

  14. thekcubrats - Nov 5, 2010 at 11:52 AM

    Old Gator, thanks for slaughtering that tribe’s iddy-oldbiddy diatribe with evidence. Facts matter.

    • nworca - Nov 5, 2010 at 5:35 PM

      And just to add one more fact for rush… In response to the start of this whole thread, the US does not give any aid to Venezuela at the current time.

      Thanks, Gator, for fighting the good fight.

      And finally, Chavez aside, I too was very happy that liberal San Fran gave conservative Texas a whuppin’ !

  15. cintiphil - Nov 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM

    I suppose now Edgar is going to move back to Venezuela to spend his Yankee dollars. Maybe that is what this nut called about. He wants Edgar to help out the struggling economy.

  16. Gary - Nov 6, 2010 at 4:16 PM

    Venezuela has the highest murder rate in the Western Hemisphere.

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