Comments on: Some additional thoughts on NL Manager of the Year

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:03:59 +0000

Do it. I’ve been begging for manager stats for a while now. Success rates for moves, stuff like that.

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:02:39 +0000

In all fairness it was an argyle sweater, not a cardigan. But I find Sally girl to be more offensive myself, they’re pretty much the same thing though….

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:20:06 +0000

Only the ones who run on the field in a unitard.

By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward

Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:03:57 +0000

Aren’t all Phillies fans, Nancy Boys? AHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:50:58 +0000

And are Sally Girls anything like Nancy Boys? ‘Cause I think the latter would be more insulting—jus sayin’.

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:45:47 +0000

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Do you go to Phightins games wearing argyle cardigans?

By: sdelmonte

sdelmonte — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:19:10 +0000

This comes down to a bigger question, one that Mets fans are debating now: what makes a manager good? Or rather, how essential is a good manager? If you shuffled these managers to other teams, how different would the standing be? There really is no metric that I am aware of that can tell you this. It would make things a lot simpler if there were.

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:18:11 +0000

Sally girls!!! That’s who thought that was harsh. I get it worse than that every day during my commute to work. Then I get picked on about my sweater choice when I get here. Really, did Mr. Rogers always wear argyle? I didn’t think he did…..

By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward

Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:07:00 +0000

True, Francona is a good counter-example. It’s a tough gig playing in the AL ea$t.

By: tomemos

tomemos — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:02:03 +0000

I mean, I see that logic, but someone like Terry Francona–who kept his team in the thick of it until the final week despite a nightmarish string of injuries–then gets shafted. Of course, Francona didn’t come close to winning this year anyway.

By: Panda Claus

Panda Claus — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:56:40 +0000

Craig, you sounded completely rational in your discussion about Black winning the award. I didn’t see him or any of the other guys having open and shut cases. To the people that thought you were harsh against Black, I don’t see the validity of their gripe.

By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward

Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:53:04 +0000

Bochy was absolutely perfect in the playoffs and that should count for something!!!! Oh yeah, they won the Series, but still!

By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward

Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:52:05 +0000

Well, tomemos, by my logic I think that 95% of the time the MOY award SHOULD go to a playoff team’s manager. There will always be a small chance a team like the Pads who no one thought would land above 3rd in the division do really well, but still miss the playoffs and should get consideration. But these instances are not as common and in the past I bet most MOY awards went to playoff teams (someone look into that), especially since the playoff expansion w/ wild card teams. Otherwise, how else does one rank managers concretely?

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:39:01 +0000

I like the idea of using the regular season and post season to award Managers. And it’s a shame for Bochy they don’t run it that way. I guess he’d have won it by a good margin if that were the case.

By: tomemos

tomemos — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:35:05 +0000

Surely the problem there is that no manager would ever win if his team didn’t make the playoffs.

By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward

Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:29:47 +0000

If they considered the playoffs, it would HAVE to be Bochy. I feel like that is the one good way to measure the MOY award. That is, determine who went the furthest with the least, but they vote before the playoffs so go figure…

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:13:25 +0000

I’d have to say Bochy should have got the award due to how he turned his team around and won it all. He was the MOY.