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The Yankees told Jeter that he’ll get a baseball contract, not a “victory lap” contract

Nov 17, 2010, 9:28 AM EDT

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I seem to have misplaced my calendar, and I can’t figure out if today is “the Yankees are going to overpay Derek Jeter” day, or if it’s “The Yankees are going to hold the line and pay Jeter what he’s actually worth” day.  Can someone help me? Ah, there’s Joel Sherman now:

In a meeting in Tampa last week, Yankees officials did the requisite lap of respect with Derek Jeter. They honored his place in organization history, his meaning to the fan base and his legacy on and off the field. But once the admiration portion of the program was complete, Yankee officials also made sure to tell Jeter it is their intention to offer him a baseball contract. Period.

Snark aside, I like the way Sherman — or, if the phrase came from a source, the source — phrases this.  Because that’s what we’re really talking about here is whether Jeter is going to get a “baseball contract” or something that places some Face of the Franchise value on him. Sherman called it a “victory lap deal” on his Twitter feed this morning, and I rather like that construction.

But whatever you call it, that’s the kind of conversation that is important. Now that it has been had, the dollars are way easier to consider. Well, that is unless Jeter simply doesn’t believe that he should get a baseball deal as opposed to a multi-faceted marketing/warm fuzzies kind of deal.

  1. chrisny3 - Nov 17, 2010 at 9:40 AM

    The problem the Yankees have is they botched the A-Rod contract and way way overpaid him. If you overpay A-Rod to such extremes, of course Jeter is going to expect the same over-generous deal. It’s a dilemma of their own making.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:47 AM

      Why? Jeter isn’t half the player Arod is, so why should he expect a similar contract?

      • chrisny3 - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:54 AM

        First off, that’s not true. Using WAR, Jeter was at least half the player A-Rod was this year. And in 2009, Jeter had a superior WAR so was MORE of a player than A-Rod,

        But that’s really irrelevant. The point is the Yankees vastly overpaid for A-Rod. So why shouldn’t the franchise player not expect to be vastly overpaid as well?

        Also, no one is saying Jeter should make 30 million a year. I don’t even think he expects that. Just that he should expect to be vastly overpaid.

        BTW, IMO, Jeter has been vastly overpaid for the last few years at least.

      • chrisny3 - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM

        One correction: It does appear some crazy fans are saying Jeter should be paid 30 mill/year (see below) but I am not, nor do I think is Jeter.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM

        If you only look at the last two years, yes Jeter was more than half as valuable. But why stop there? Why not look at their entire careers instead of cherry picking the last two? They essentially both started in ’96 (although Arod had too many PAs from previous cups of coffee to qualify for ROY and yet came in 2nd in MVP voting). Arod is at 101.90 WAR and Jeter is at 70.1.

        Also, let’s not forget that had Arod not moved to third he’d be even more valuable than current since his production at SS was unprecedented and at third is merely awesome.

      • chrisny3 - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM

        When you’re talking about older players, you can’t look at career numbers. No one in their right mind expects an older player to replicate career numbers in their twilight years — especially in the post-steroids era.

        So you look at recent numbers and project out to the near and far term.

        Remember, we’re talking “baseball” here. What they should be paid based on projected performance.

        And it’s irrelevant what A-Rod’s value would have been had he stayed at SS. It’s about projected performance. And even if A-Rod might have been a good SS in his early years as a Yankee, he’d probably stink at it today.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:21 AM

        I agree that we need to look at projected value. However, Jeter is getting a new contract going from age 36 to 37 whereas Arod was going from age 32 to 33. There’s a huge difference there. Also, you’re possibly right that Arod would probably have shifted from SS to another position by now, but his offensive performance probably outweighs his defensive liabilities at the position, similar to Jeter now. Except now even Jeter’s offensive performance isn’t justifying his defensive issues.

      • chrisny3 - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM

        “Arod was going from age 32 to 33″

        Yeah, but here’s the problem — he will be making up to 30 mill at ages 38-39-40-41, years when he most likely will not exceed the production of an average player making perhaps 8-10 million.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:48 AM

        Splitting hairs, but he’s not necessarily going to make that much. beginning in ’13 his base salary starts to drop from $30M to $29(’13) to $26(’14) and so on, but the bonuses he may reach for HRs will push it back up. Still it’s a terrible contract, and Hank Steinbrenner should never be allowed near a FA again.

      • riddlerontheroof - Nov 17, 2010 at 3:51 PM

        Well I got to say is the Yanks are getting old there star players are overpaid I think they need to rebuild get rid of jeter or don’t pay him so much and definitely get rid of that multimillion dollar lemon A Rod.

    • jfk69 - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:10 AM

      TRUE ON ARODS CONTRACT
      SO YOU FEEL BAD A MISTAKE WAS MADE AND YOU SHOULD JUST KEEP THROWING MONEY AROUND TO MAKE IT RIGHT.
      THAT WAS THEN THIS IS NOW…TS
      GO LOOK AT HOW THE BABE ENDED HIS CAREER…IT WASN’T WITH THE YANKEES. DID THAT HURT HIS LEGACY FIFTY YEARS LATER. JETER HAS BEEN PAID WELL THANKS TO AROD. HE GOT THAT 10 YEAR MONSTER DEAL AFTER HICKS OVER PAID AROD TO BEGIN WITH.HE SHOULD KISS ARODS ARSE HE MADE NEARLY A QTR OF A BILLION DOLLAR WITHOUT ENDORSEMENTS.
      NOTE
      I AM NO AROD FAN.. BOTH OF HIS CONTRACTS WERE LUNANCY.
      IT WAS ONLY THING THE METS DID RIGHT WHEN THEY DROPPED OUT OF THE BIDDING FOR HIS FIRST CONTRACT.
      NO SUCH THING AS 24 AND ONE IN BASEBALL

      • chrisny3 - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:21 AM

        No, don’t get me wrong. I am not advocating one way or the other on this matter. And I don’t feel bad for anyone. In fact, I’m enjoying the Yankees’ dilemma. My primary point is the Yankees made their own lousy bed and now they have to lay in it.

        If they had their thinking caps on when dealing with A-Rod, then they wouldn’t have overpaid him so grossly. And then Jeter wouldn’t expect to be overpaid now as well. What I am saying is that it’s only logical Jeter should be shooting for the moon now.

    • riddlerontheroof - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM

      The problem is they have too many overpaid players and there getting old! Get rid of Heterosexual and A-rod and trade or make room for some younger players Arid and heterosexual Mariano are washed up……

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:43 AM

        what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  2. yankeesfanlen - Nov 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM

    How can we decided if he gets a victory lap or standard contract when we can’t come to a conclusion as to whether he’s a mediocre shortstop or the best thing since Phil Rizzuto? And what happened to nicknames?(Something else to consider during winter doldrums). Since Rizzuto was “The Scooter”, I propose “Beep-beep the Jete”.

    • Panda Claus - Nov 17, 2010 at 9:58 AM

      If we’re to believe the writer and the source, it could be “Beep-beep and he’s gone” Jeter. Still, I can’t imagine Derek playing for anyone but the Yankees.

    • Roger Moore - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:32 AM

      What’s wrong with “Captain Jetes” or “Jesus in Cleats”?

  3. Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM

    The problem is that Derek Jeter can sign a “baseball contract” with ANYBODY. He can only sign a “victory lap” contract with the Yankers. If they won’t give him that, why would he stay for less money with the Yankers? If I were him, anything less than A-Rod’s later-year’s money is unacceptable. From A-rod’s 37-40 years, he will be making a base salary of $86 million. He’ll also be getting Home Run Bonuses totalling $30 million. So he will likely be getting around $120 million for the 4 years that Jeter is looking at right now. If I were Jeter, I would be asking for $120 over 4 years. Why not? The Yankers can afford it. If I didn’t get that, I would take half from anybody else. Why? because the A-Rod contract is a major smack in the face. A-Rod got his “victory lap” money already built into his latest monstrosity of a contract. The Yankers should give it to Jeter too. Even if it is a $30 million bonus for his 3,000 hit. The Yankers should do right by Jeter.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:56 AM

      As I mentioned above, why should Jeter get equivalent money when he’s no where close to the equivalent player Arod is, by almost any measure. Is your reasoning solely based on “well he got it so I should”?

      • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM

        Jeter should get a bonus for getting 3,000 hits with the Yankees. If they gave A-Rod $30 million for a roid-tainted Home Run record than nobody is going to give a crap about, why can’t they give Jeter $20 million for his 3,000th hit? I think Jeter should ask for a 2 year deal for $20 million per…plus $10 million for his 3000th hit and $10 million for his 3001st hit. Why not? They are giving A-Rod all these millions for a stupid home run record that nobody really gives a crap about.

    • Jonny 5 - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:56 AM

      You are just evil. Trying to weigh down the Yanks through sheer will alone? Didn’t this backfire on you in the playoffs? ;)

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM

        Honest, unless this is some evil Phillies fan plot to drive up Jeter’s contract* so the yanks essentially remove themselves from future FA bidding, why should he get a similar deal? Also, that Arod deal was dumb six ways from sunday. That’s why Hank is MIA in yankee land and Hal/Cashman are running everything.

        *I wouldn’t put it past you crafty fans :)

      • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:18 AM

        So because the A-Rod deal was dumb, Jeter shouldn’t want similar money? F that. They are going to pay A-rod $30 million for steroiding his way to the home run record. I would ask for a $30 million bonus for becoming the first…yeah Yankers fans…the first Yanker of all-time to get 3,000 hits with the franchise. Ruth didn’t do it. Neither did Gehrig. Mantle? Not even close. DiMaggio, Berra, Mattingly…No, No, and NO!!!

        In the words of the great Teddy KGB…”Pay the man his money!!!”

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM

        Well of course Jeter could ask for it, but you said above that if he doesn’t get it then he should walk. Unless the Yanks have no choice in the matter, why should they offer the same just because the Arod deal was dumb?

        Also, the first Yankee to have 3000 hits in the franchise is nice, but that’s the only thing Jeter has going for him. And it’s only the Yankee qualification that matters. You know who’s right behind Jeter in active hits, Alex Rodriguez.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM

        He should walk if he doesn’t get a similar bonus for doing something much bigger and more historic to the Yankers franchise(3,000 with the team) than hitting half of the home run all-time total with them(A-Rod had 345 HRs before he put on the pinstripes). A-Rod will NEVER get 3,000 hits with the Yankers…he only has 1100 right now. Cano is the next guy with half a chance and who knows what is going to happen with him. Derek Jeter may be the first and last Yanker to hit 3,000 in the pinstripes. 27 players have 3,000 hits and NONE of them did so with the Yankers. Ever. Some of them played for the Yankers. But none of them actually got their 3,000th hit with them. It’s worth alot more than a stupid roid-tainted home run record that nobody is going to care about anyway.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

      Jeter won’t be stubborn enough to leave the Yankees, and they know it. Hence their stance now.

  4. Jonny 5 - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:53 AM

    I’ve heard disturbing news from many baseball fans. Many fans think they should give Jeter “what he deserves”, which in their opinion is basically what Jeter asks for. Because “he’s the franchise face” and “he’s the consummate ball player” and “the yankees need him to keep fans filling the stadium” and such. All of which I don’t agree with. The Yankees have such a rich star studded history that THEY ARE the face of baseball (sad to say), and the face of baseball needs no face imo. Consummate ball player? Well that’s up to a personal discretion which i’m not getting into besides to say, he should be paid what the market bears for his ability. As far as filling the stadium? That’s just silly. The Yankees will fill their stadium with or without Derek Jeter. It is my opinion he needs the Yankees more than the Yankees need him. If he continues with the Yankees he’ll have a lifetime of “Yankee events” and advertising to capitalize on after retirement, and to switch teams would more than likely jeopardize a good portion of that $$.

    • yankeesfanlen - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM

      What’s this sacrilege? Jonny giving in to the Evil Empire? Part of the fun of the Universe is paying aging stars (or obtaining them via free agency) more than what they’re worth.

      • Jonny 5 - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM

        Hey, I’m just trying to be honest. And I’ll never ever give into the “Dark side” Sith Cashman has no power over me man! The Emperor has died and Darth Steinbrenner is trying to maintain the evil empire as his father did. So here’s what’s going down imo. The yankees pay Jeter a little more than he’s worth, Jeter pretends that pleases him, and everybody’s happy. The End. The reason. Jeter, (not the Yankees in any way shape or form) would be foolish to end this marriage now. The Yankees will always be the Yankees, and Jeter just a great all around player. To pretend he’s just as big a star as the team itself is dillusional. I’m not going to deny that I’d be super pleased if he signs a 10 year bazillion dollar contract though.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM

        There’s something unjust about a guy cheating his way to the home run record and getting paid $30 million to do so, while the guy who has played his entire career with the Yankers gets ugats. Look, if Jeter gets 2 years and $30 million, that’s nice cash. But he’ll know every day that A-Rod will make as much for 5 swings of the bat. That’s inherently unfair. Jeter should ask for 2 years and $20 million with a $30 million bonus for #3,000. How can the Yankers say no to that, after they are giving A-Rod $30 million for 5 home runs that were only achieved because he cheated his way through the “Texas” years, if he even ever stopped.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:10 AM

      Jeter can take a baseball contract from anybody. He deserves his victory lap, and if the Yankers are going to go cheap on him, he should take his talents elsewhere. They are paying A-Rod a gazillion bucks for the next 7 years. Does anyone think A-Rod will be worth the money in 4 years? Nope.

      Jeter’s big mistake was not getting an A-Rod contract 4 years ago. He should have asked for a 10 year committment back then, and he would have gotten it. But he tried to play nice and he is now getting f’d for it. Screw the Yankers. Get what you deserve, El Capitan. Get what you deserve.

    • Panda Claus - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:16 AM

      You are absolutely right about the Yankees being the face of baseball. Never looked at it that way before. Truth of the matter is that Jeter needs the Yankees as much or more so than they need him.

      If this was the early 70’s team that wasn’t good yet, you could make the case the team should overspend to keep their most popular player. Today though this team could have their virtual pick of replacement shortstops and end up better for it.

  5. jfk69 - Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM

    JETER…TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THE BABE ENDED UP…. PLAYING FOR THE BOSTON BRAVES AS A SIDESHOW FREAK.
    TAKE THE TWO YEAR DEAL AND I AM SURE BOTH YOU ,THE YANKEES AND FANS WILL BE HAPPY.
    GET GREEN EYES OVER THE BOTCHED AROD DEAL…YOUR LEGACY WILL END BADLY.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:14 AM

      Step 1) Push the Caps Lock key
      Step 2) Continue posting.

      Thanks and have a great day.

      • jfk69 - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:23 AM

        STEP I AM NOT SHOUTING
        STEP 2..I AM SIGHT IMPAIRED
        STEP 3 THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW ABOUT THE CAPS KEY
        STEP 4 HAVE A GREAT DAY!!

      • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:25 AM

        LOL

  6. jfk69 - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:33 AM

    I AM SURE JETER WILL DO MUCH BETTER NEXT YEAR IN A SOFTBALL LEAGUE. AS YOU GET OLDER THOSE BASEBALLS LOOK LIKE BEE BEES.
    I KNOW.
    I CAN HIT SOFTBALL MUCH BETTER THESE DAYS THAN I USED TO HIT A HARDBALL.. HE COULD PROBABLY HIT FOR A 600 AVG. IN A SOFTBALL LEAGUE THEREBY JUSTIFYING HIS REQUEST FOR 20 MILLION A YEAR.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM

      Isn’t it dangerous for someone who’s sight impaired to play a sport with a spherical object moving at high speeds? Or are you the DH?

      • jfk69 - Nov 17, 2010 at 4:56 PM

        I WEAR SAFETY GLASSES AND THE TEAM HAS NOTIFIED ME NEXT YEAR I WILL BE PLAYING LEFT OUT…NOT SURE IF THAT IS THE OUTFIELD
        THEY SHOWED ME SOME PAPERWORK WITH SMALL PRINT STATING THIS KNOWING FULL WELL I AM SIGHT CHALLENGED.
        I FIX THERE ARSES WHEN I TRY OUT FOR THE DART TEAM

      • jfk69 - Nov 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM

        SEE I CAN’T SPELL EITHER OR USE OF NOUNS AND ADVERBS ESCAPES ME
        WHERE ARE THESE DAMN KEYS
        I’LL FIX THEIR ARSES WHEN I TRY OUT FOR THE DART TEAM…

  7. Mauer's Sideburns - Nov 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM

    He’s probably “only” getting the “baseball contract” because he is black. If it were a white dude, he’d definitely get overpaid. They’d probably also name the city after him and never let anyone use the number 2 ever again. Ever.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM

      Is this sarcasm? You know his mother is white and father is black…

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