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	<title>Comments on: Reader Dissent: Derek Jeter edition</title>
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		<title>By: spindervish</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spindervish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you even bother to engage him? He&#039;s an idiot who speaks (writes) in absolutes about his half-baked opinions, which betray a wildly distorted perspective that he seems to mistake for some single universal reality to which every other sports fan is beholden.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you even bother to engage him? He&#8217;s an idiot who speaks (writes) in absolutes about his half-baked opinions, which betray a wildly distorted perspective that he seems to mistake for some single universal reality to which every other sports fan is beholden.</p>
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		<title>By: marinermousse</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marinermousse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the Yankees should pull their offer off the table completely and go in a different direction. They can then either go out and trade for Stephen Drew (longer term solution) or sign Cabrera or Renteria (till the better crop of FA SS next year), save the money and sign Jason Werth AND Cliff Lee. I think the fans would forget Jeter pretty fast…given how much NY Yankee fans are for “winners” and not very loyal. They would have a better offensive team since Drew is probably better than Jeter (with Cabrera or Renteria, perhaps a push at this stage) and of course Werth would pick them up defensively and offensively in the OF, with Swisher becoming DH and Werth playing CF against LHP, with Swisher in Right and Posada then the DH on those days. They use Gardner as a true leadoff hitter and he outdoes Jeter by far!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the Yankees should pull their offer off the table completely and go in a different direction. They can then either go out and trade for Stephen Drew (longer term solution) or sign Cabrera or Renteria (till the better crop of FA SS next year), save the money and sign Jason Werth AND Cliff Lee. I think the fans would forget Jeter pretty fast…given how much NY Yankee fans are for “winners” and not very loyal. They would have a better offensive team since Drew is probably better than Jeter (with Cabrera or Renteria, perhaps a push at this stage) and of course Werth would pick them up defensively and offensively in the OF, with Swisher becoming DH and Werth playing CF against LHP, with Swisher in Right and Posada then the DH on those days. They use Gardner as a true leadoff hitter and he outdoes Jeter by far!!</p>
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		<title>By: supersnappy</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[supersnappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, I had meant to reply to diammonduq&#039;s idea above, sorry for any confusion!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I had meant to reply to diammonduq&#8217;s idea above, sorry for any confusion!</p>
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		<title>By: supersnappy</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[supersnappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I like the idea of paying based on performance, MLB contract rules forbid it. The closest you can get are incentives related to playing time (games, innings pitched, plate appearances, etc) or getting votes for awards (Cy Young, MVP, etc)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I like the idea of paying based on performance, MLB contract rules forbid it. The closest you can get are incentives related to playing time (games, innings pitched, plate appearances, etc) or getting votes for awards (Cy Young, MVP, etc)</p>
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		<title>By: tomemos</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomemos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris, I don&#039;t think anyone even knows what your point is anymore (&quot;anymore?&quot; I hear people ask). Are you saying that Jeter deserves this money or just that he wants it?  The Yankees also brought fiscal sanity to the Bernie Williams and Johnny Damon negotiations, so I don&#039;t see why they should be anxious to abandon it here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I don&#8217;t think anyone even knows what your point is anymore (&#8220;anymore?&#8221; I hear people ask). Are you saying that Jeter deserves this money or just that he wants it?  The Yankees also brought fiscal sanity to the Bernie Williams and Johnny Damon negotiations, so I don&#8217;t see why they should be anxious to abandon it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94476</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, welcome back, my nemesis.  I&#039;m glad you felt my presence in your mind&#039;s eye.  I am now sure that my voodoo mind intrusions are bearing fruit.  Beware as my telepathic, mindflare-esque, brain-sucking psionicist abilities will be terrorizing you again soon.  

Oh and by the way, the Bears stomped your Eagles!  WOOOOOO!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, welcome back, my nemesis.  I&#8217;m glad you felt my presence in your mind&#8217;s eye.  I am now sure that my voodoo mind intrusions are bearing fruit.  Beware as my telepathic, mindflare-esque, brain-sucking psionicist abilities will be terrorizing you again soon.  </p>
<p>Oh and by the way, the Bears stomped your Eagles!  WOOOOOO!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, damn, I&#039;m now a hypocrite.  I bashed on the grammar of two other commentors today and then misused &quot;steak&quot; for &quot;stake.&quot;  

Waiter, can I have some crow with that horse-meat and velveeta sandwich?  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, damn, I&#8217;m now a hypocrite.  I bashed on the grammar of two other commentors today and then misused &#8220;steak&#8221; for &#8220;stake.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Waiter, can I have some crow with that horse-meat and velveeta sandwich?  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Utley's Hair</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Utley's Hair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sweet...since it&#039;s been quite tenderized by now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet&#8230;since it&#8217;s been quite tenderized by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My ears were ringing and I figured Cerrano was calling my name so I checked the blog and...what a surprise...he was.

Look, Craig can write a million articles on Jeter&#039;s contract.  He can say that Jeter needs another team bidding on his services.  But he would be totally WRONG on that front.  You guys can continue to spout Jeter&#039;s WAR the last 4 years.  You guys can continue to worry about what Jeter&#039;s BA, OBP, xFIP, Dewan, blah blah blah.

Here&#039;s the magic # when it comes to Jeter...at least in JETER&#039;S EYES...74.  That&#039;s the magic number.  74.  What is 74?  74 is the number of hits Jeter needs to do something that NO OTHER YANKER HAS EVER DONE.  Get 3,000 hits in the pinstripes.  Period(LOL).  

And for that, he is bidding against one man...one contract...one &quot;legend&quot;.  That man is Alex Rodriguez, or &quot;A-Rod&quot;.  A-Rod will be getting $30 million dollars for taking 5 swings of the bat.  For hitting his steroid-tainted #660, 714, 755, 763 and 764 home runs.  $6 million each.  And they want to pay Jeter as much for the next two years that they are going to pay A-Rod for 5 swings?  Bleh.

Yeah, they are trying not to make another contract mistake but why are they starting with Derek Jeter?  El Capitan?  He helped bring 5 World Series titles to the Yankers.  5 rings.  And what&#039;s he get for it?  Fiscal sanity for one of the first times in Yanker history?  Bleh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ears were ringing and I figured Cerrano was calling my name so I checked the blog and&#8230;what a surprise&#8230;he was.</p>
<p>Look, Craig can write a million articles on Jeter&#8217;s contract.  He can say that Jeter needs another team bidding on his services.  But he would be totally WRONG on that front.  You guys can continue to spout Jeter&#8217;s WAR the last 4 years.  You guys can continue to worry about what Jeter&#8217;s BA, OBP, xFIP, Dewan, blah blah blah.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the magic # when it comes to Jeter&#8230;at least in JETER&#8217;S EYES&#8230;74.  That&#8217;s the magic number.  74.  What is 74?  74 is the number of hits Jeter needs to do something that NO OTHER YANKER HAS EVER DONE.  Get 3,000 hits in the pinstripes.  Period(LOL).  </p>
<p>And for that, he is bidding against one man&#8230;one contract&#8230;one &#8220;legend&#8221;.  That man is Alex Rodriguez, or &#8220;A-Rod&#8221;.  A-Rod will be getting $30 million dollars for taking 5 swings of the bat.  For hitting his steroid-tainted #660, 714, 755, 763 and 764 home runs.  $6 million each.  And they want to pay Jeter as much for the next two years that they are going to pay A-Rod for 5 swings?  Bleh.</p>
<p>Yeah, they are trying not to make another contract mistake but why are they starting with Derek Jeter?  El Capitan?  He helped bring 5 World Series titles to the Yankers.  5 rings.  And what&#8217;s he get for it?  Fiscal sanity for one of the first times in Yanker history?  Bleh.</p>
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		<title>By: thinman61</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thinman61]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now there you go using them newfangled made-up stats again.  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there you go using them newfangled made-up stats again.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tomemos</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomemos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what you&#039;re reduced to? &quot;You may be right, but you shouldn&#039;t care&quot;? We care for the same reason you do: it&#039;s fun to care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what you&#8217;re reduced to? &#8220;You may be right, but you shouldn&#8217;t care&#8221;? We care for the same reason you do: it&#8217;s fun to care.</p>
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		<title>By: jkay123</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jkay123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im just baffled why people care so much and why everyone is so enraged about what he will be paid and not paid. Who cares, why does anyone care what the yankees give him? Give me a break.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im just baffled why people care so much and why everyone is so enraged about what he will be paid and not paid. Who cares, why does anyone care what the yankees give him? Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: yankeesfanlen</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94461</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yankeesfanlen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then we&#039;re all invited to Ol&#039; Gators for horsemeat and Velveeta sandwiches!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we&#8217;re all invited to Ol&#8217; Gators for horsemeat and Velveeta sandwiches!</p>
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		<title>By: Utley's Hair</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Utley's Hair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mmmm...steeeaaak...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm&#8230;steeeaaak&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone should read these comments and all other comments related to Craig&#039;s Jeter posts and try to tell me this isn&#039;t the most exciting thing going on in baseball right now.  As much as I think the dissenters are wrong, please don&#039;t stop dissenting!  Your voices must be heard so that I can bash on something/someone (FIORENTINO WHERE YOU AT SUCKA!!!???!???!). 

Craig, please don&#039;t stop talkin&#039; Jeter until we&#039;ve raised the zombie horse from the dead and subsequently kill it again with a steak through it&#039;s undead horse heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should read these comments and all other comments related to Craig&#8217;s Jeter posts and try to tell me this isn&#8217;t the most exciting thing going on in baseball right now.  As much as I think the dissenters are wrong, please don&#8217;t stop dissenting!  Your voices must be heard so that I can bash on something/someone (FIORENTINO WHERE YOU AT SUCKA!!!???!???!). </p>
<p>Craig, please don&#8217;t stop talkin&#8217; Jeter until we&#8217;ve raised the zombie horse from the dead and subsequently kill it again with a steak through it&#8217;s undead horse heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Utley's Hair</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Utley's Hair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[D&#039;OH!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;OH!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;where as he has 1 bad season in 16 and that’s all people are harping on, totally discrediting a hall of fame career.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For the umpteenth time, what is so difficult about getting you guys to understand that &#039;10 wasn&#039;t a one time bad season, and &#039;09 was indicative of the true talent level of [his worshipfullness] Derek Jeter:

fWAR:
&#039;07 - 3.5
&#039;08 - 3.7
&#039;09 - 7.1
&#039;10 - 2.5

as the song goes, one of these things is not like the other.  one of these things just doesn&#039;t belong.  Since &#039;06, where he had a legimate argument for MVP (Mauer should have won, not Morneau), his K rate has dropped but so has his BB rate (most likely because he&#039;s swinging at more pitches early in the count).  His power has dropped from a .140ish ISO to .100.  While he&#039;s hitting fewer LDs, he&#039;s increasing his GB% which goes for hits more often, but less power [obviously].  His BABIP was significantly less than the prior year, but even a correction in that isn&#039;t going to get him back to a 5+WAR levels.  3/45M is more than enough if he returns to a 3-4WAR/yr player, but even that isn&#039;t guaranteed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>where as he has 1 bad season in 16 and that’s all people are harping on, totally discrediting a hall of fame career.</p></blockquote>
<p>For the umpteenth time, what is so difficult about getting you guys to understand that &#8217;10 wasn&#8217;t a one time bad season, and &#8217;09 was indicative of the true talent level of [his worshipfullness] Derek Jeter:</p>
<p>fWAR:<br />
&#8217;07 &#8211; 3.5<br />
&#8217;08 &#8211; 3.7<br />
&#8217;09 &#8211; 7.1<br />
&#8217;10 &#8211; 2.5</p>
<p>as the song goes, one of these things is not like the other.  one of these things just doesn&#8217;t belong.  Since &#8217;06, where he had a legimate argument for MVP (Mauer should have won, not Morneau), his K rate has dropped but so has his BB rate (most likely because he&#8217;s swinging at more pitches early in the count).  His power has dropped from a .140ish ISO to .100.  While he&#8217;s hitting fewer LDs, he&#8217;s increasing his GB% which goes for hits more often, but less power [obviously].  His BABIP was significantly less than the prior year, but even a correction in that isn&#8217;t going to get him back to a 5+WAR levels.  3/45M is more than enough if he returns to a 3-4WAR/yr player, but even that isn&#8217;t guaranteed.</p>
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		<title>By: yankees1996</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yankees1996]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derek Jeter just completed a 10 year $189 million contract and he has been paid well for his services over the last 10 years. If Jeter and his agent want to ask for some incredible amount of money then that indeed is his right but it is also the right of the Yankees to say thank you, but no thank you. Jeters&#039; new contract is going to be based on and he is going to be paid for his on-field performance only. He has been paid for his prior achievements and awards and he should not be paid for them again. I want to see Jeter return to and retire from the Yankees but I do not want to see the Yankees ruin the future of the team to resign a 36 year old SS with diminishing skills. I like Jeter, always have but he needs to realize and understand that this is the last train ride and he needs to get on board and move on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek Jeter just completed a 10 year $189 million contract and he has been paid well for his services over the last 10 years. If Jeter and his agent want to ask for some incredible amount of money then that indeed is his right but it is also the right of the Yankees to say thank you, but no thank you. Jeters&#8217; new contract is going to be based on and he is going to be paid for his on-field performance only. He has been paid for his prior achievements and awards and he should not be paid for them again. I want to see Jeter return to and retire from the Yankees but I do not want to see the Yankees ruin the future of the team to resign a 36 year old SS with diminishing skills. I like Jeter, always have but he needs to realize and understand that this is the last train ride and he needs to get on board and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: tomemos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomemos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does it discredit anything? Even Hall-of-Famers get old and decline. No one is saying, &quot;Don&#039;t sign Jeter,&quot; or &quot;sign him for one year, 2.5 mil.&quot; The offer on the table is excellent for a player of his age and current level of production.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does it discredit anything? Even Hall-of-Famers get old and decline. No one is saying, &#8220;Don&#8217;t sign Jeter,&#8221; or &#8220;sign him for one year, 2.5 mil.&#8221; The offer on the table is excellent for a player of his age and current level of production.</p>
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		<title>By: uyf1950</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uyf1950]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know one other big difference. Ripken for the last 6 years of his career through 2001 averaged $6.5M per in salary.  Quite a difference from the $19M per Jeter has averaged the past 10 years and the $15M per the Yankees are currently offering.  Does the disparity in their numbers justify the disparity in their pay?  Granted it&#039;s 9 years later but Jeter&#039;s looking to make 3 times what Ripken made when both were or at the end or near the end of their careers.  You decide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know one other big difference. Ripken for the last 6 years of his career through 2001 averaged $6.5M per in salary.  Quite a difference from the $19M per Jeter has averaged the past 10 years and the $15M per the Yankees are currently offering.  Does the disparity in their numbers justify the disparity in their pay?  Granted it&#8217;s 9 years later but Jeter&#8217;s looking to make 3 times what Ripken made when both were or at the end or near the end of their careers.  You decide.</p>
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		<title>By: jkay123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jkay123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was saying that people get paid absurd contracts for having one good season and about 7 sub par seasons, where as he has 1 bad season in 16 and that&#039;s all people are harping on, totally discrediting a hall of fame career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was saying that people get paid absurd contracts for having one good season and about 7 sub par seasons, where as he has 1 bad season in 16 and that&#8217;s all people are harping on, totally discrediting a hall of fame career.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonny 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, Jeter is already wiping the floor in the Homer category, just listen to yourself....  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, Jeter is already wiping the floor in the Homer category, just listen to yourself&#8230;.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tomemos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomemos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you mean &quot;not to mention RBI&quot;? You mentioned it twice. If you play for the Yankees you&#039;re going to get a lot of RBI and runs.

I don&#039;t understand the argument that, since guys get &quot;ridiculous&quot; contracts coming off a good walk year, Jeter should also get a ridiculous contract coming off a bad walk year. Ridiculous contracts are bad, no? That&#039;s what makes them ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean &#8220;not to mention RBI&#8221;? You mentioned it twice. If you play for the Yankees you&#8217;re going to get a lot of RBI and runs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the argument that, since guys get &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; contracts coming off a good walk year, Jeter should also get a ridiculous contract coming off a bad walk year. Ridiculous contracts are bad, no? That&#8217;s what makes them ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: jkay123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jkay123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[taking runs, hits, sb&#039;s avg, rbis into acct etc..how did jeter stack up against every shortstop in baseball this yr? and were any of them even close to being 36 yrs old? Not to mention his RBI total was decent for a leadoff guy, even coming off the worst season of his career. I dont get it, in 16 yrs he has had one bad season, but teams pay ridiculous contracts to guys who have had one good yr, in their walk yr. If this was ripken at this age everyone would be saluting him and saying he deserves whatever he wants, and dont start with the ripken has better stats, because he doesnt and Jeter will end his career wiping the floor in every category except Homers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>taking runs, hits, sb&#8217;s avg, rbis into acct etc..how did jeter stack up against every shortstop in baseball this yr? and were any of them even close to being 36 yrs old? Not to mention his RBI total was decent for a leadoff guy, even coming off the worst season of his career. I dont get it, in 16 yrs he has had one bad season, but teams pay ridiculous contracts to guys who have had one good yr, in their walk yr. If this was ripken at this age everyone would be saluting him and saying he deserves whatever he wants, and dont start with the ripken has better stats, because he doesnt and Jeter will end his career wiping the floor in every category except Homers.</p>
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		<title>By: uyf1950</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/reader-dissent-derek-jeter-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-94432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uyf1950]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Yankee fan, I&#039;m not a big fan of incentives built into a contract for a player that is already being paid or will be paid a substantial amount over fair market value.  Incentives I guess are OK for players that are undervalued or underpaid and certainly can be used as a means to increase their compensation based on  performance.  I don&#039;t believe incentives built into a offer merely for the sake of increasing an already inflated offer is a good idea.  The Yankees have placed what they believe to be a more then fair value on Jeter and his contract.  Why would they or should they add incentives to an already inflated offer?  Just so Jeter can save face.  If Jeter and those fans that support his position are so confident that 2011 will look more like 2009 then 2010 let him sign a 1 year deal and renegotiate again after next season.  When if his numbers increase he will be in a  position  to negotiate from strength.  Is that so difficult for people to understand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Yankee fan, I&#8217;m not a big fan of incentives built into a contract for a player that is already being paid or will be paid a substantial amount over fair market value.  Incentives I guess are OK for players that are undervalued or underpaid and certainly can be used as a means to increase their compensation based on  performance.  I don&#8217;t believe incentives built into a offer merely for the sake of increasing an already inflated offer is a good idea.  The Yankees have placed what they believe to be a more then fair value on Jeter and his contract.  Why would they or should they add incentives to an already inflated offer?  Just so Jeter can save face.  If Jeter and those fans that support his position are so confident that 2011 will look more like 2009 then 2010 let him sign a 1 year deal and renegotiate again after next season.  When if his numbers increase he will be in a  position  to negotiate from strength.  Is that so difficult for people to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Calcaterra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Calcaterra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The purpose of Reader Dissents is to put forth points of view that are different than mine. Yours differed, and it was worth giving to other readers in a more prominent location. If you didn&#039;t want to share it with others, why did you comment in the first place?

As for the errors, sorry, but I felt that it was better for people to engage your point rather than to take shots at your writing mechanics, so I thought I was doing you a favor.  My note about the edits was in the interests of transparency, and I do it every time I reproduce a reader comment or email.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of Reader Dissents is to put forth points of view that are different than mine. Yours differed, and it was worth giving to other readers in a more prominent location. If you didn&#8217;t want to share it with others, why did you comment in the first place?</p>
<p>As for the errors, sorry, but I felt that it was better for people to engage your point rather than to take shots at your writing mechanics, so I thought I was doing you a favor.  My note about the edits was in the interests of transparency, and I do it every time I reproduce a reader comment or email.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonny 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s the spirit buddy, just go with the flow.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the spirit buddy, just go with the flow&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I and many others, including Jeter’s camp, feel he’s closer to 2009 than 2010 and that 1 bad year shouldn’t define a player’s worth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why though?  Looking at his last 4 years, &#039;09 is obviously the outlier and not &#039;10.  If he&#039;s a 3WAR player for the next 3-4 years, a $15M/yr deal is overpaying him by about 5-6M.  Say the difference is for non-production value, but no way he&#039;s worth beyond that.  Also, all those performance bonuses are not allowed by the CBA (BA, HR, etc).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I and many others, including Jeter’s camp, feel he’s closer to 2009 than 2010 and that 1 bad year shouldn’t define a player’s worth.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why though?  Looking at his last 4 years, &#8217;09 is obviously the outlier and not &#8217;10.  If he&#8217;s a 3WAR player for the next 3-4 years, a $15M/yr deal is overpaying him by about 5-6M.  Say the difference is for non-production value, but no way he&#8217;s worth beyond that.  Also, all those performance bonuses are not allowed by the CBA (BA, HR, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metalhead65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[craig,thanks alot for pointing out all my punction and spelling errors.that&#039;s why I go to message boards to be learn these things.way to point out how you disagree with my view. anyway keep up the good work we are waiting for the next article on jeter and his salary. what&#039;s it been 10 min.?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>craig,thanks alot for pointing out all my punction and spelling errors.that&#8217;s why I go to message boards to be learn these things.way to point out how you disagree with my view. anyway keep up the good work we are waiting for the next article on jeter and his salary. what&#8217;s it been 10 min.?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonny 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen my brotha!!! Is it that hard to not click the link??? I&#039;m enjoying this so much, I&#039;m thinking of calling Jeter&#039;s agent on behalf of the Giants or Sox just to drag it out longer.... What do you think I should offer? 100 million for 5 ???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen my brotha!!! Is it that hard to not click the link??? I&#8217;m enjoying this so much, I&#8217;m thinking of calling Jeter&#8217;s agent on behalf of the Giants or Sox just to drag it out longer&#8230;. What do you think I should offer? 100 million for 5 ???</p>
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