Comments on: BoSox went seven years for Lee? Halos lowballed Crawford?

By: Ari Collins

Ari Collins — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:43:03 +0000

Add 6 to 32. He’ll be 32 in ’11 and 38 6 years later in ’17, the last year of his deal.

Easy mistake to make.

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:34:33 +0000

Honestly, people who say he’s light years better are stretching the truth a little. He’s measurably better, and without stats it would be very difficult to see. Werth has better OBP (almost twice as many walks) Werth usually has a higher OPS,Werth has equal defense. i don’t see a huge gap there myself.

I have heard that Greinke talk too. But i also think any team who doesn’t at least ask what the asking price for him is, would be totally insane. He’s cheap right now, for what you get. And trading away some prospects can get your guy at a discount as Philly well knows from experience. So yeah, I think many teams have kicked those tires. Ruben likes his pitchers though too…. We can only hope. And I hope for a good OF in a trade myself. A righty of course.

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:00:58 +0000

Jayson Werth will be 32 in May, which is the beginning of the first season of his new contract. Add seven to that and he will be 39 in his final season.

And I most certainly do not think Werth’s contract was reasonable. For one thing, getting $18 million/season to play a friggin’ game is insane. Seven years is insane. I was commenting on how people were in such an uproar over that contract and saying that Crawford was so much better, then why aren’t they saying he should’ve signed for much more?

By: Ari Collins

Ari Collins — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:54:07 +0000

Actually, the Sox will likely have a lower payroll this year than last year. Whereas the Yanks will have a higher payroll than last year, unless they somehow let both Pettitte and Lee walk away… So yeah. TAKE THAT!! Heh.

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:51:06 +0000

Jonny, we usually are on the same page—and here http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/09/its-the-yankees-move-after-red-sox-add-crawford/comment-page-1/ some guy says that page is usually Wanker posts, but that’s another issue. Maybe not the same paragraph, but the same page.

I’m usually the guy who bitches about these guys getting insane and obscene amounts of money to play a damn game. I was basing my view here on the fact that so many people were screaming about how Crawford was light years better than JDub, and they are just accepting this margin of difference.

Have you heard anything about Ruben gazing at Greinke?

By: flpunx

flpunx — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:51:43 +0000

The biggest problem with the Red Sox is their age. Signing Crawford at least helps them with this factor, though they still need some prospect help. Hard to see them having 75% of their team on the DL this year again though, so they should automatically have a more productive season.

By: flpunx

flpunx — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:49:34 +0000

Yeah – cause last time ANYONE checked, the Yankees actually care about NOT spending money. Keep trying to buy championships, and the Rays will keep beating you with a 60 mil payroll.

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:42:30 +0000

Hair, we’re usually on the same page, but dude. 2 million dollars is still, 2 million dollars. Crawford is the highest paid OF ever. Werth was over paid to become the centerpiece of a very losing team, which was probably worth a couple million by itself. I think big contracts make us fans lose perspective of what 2 million dollars really buys you in the real world. 2 million and change over 7 years is a good deal better.

Who was arguing with me when I said Crawford would get the 7 years Werth got plus a little extra for being “Carl crawford”?? “Because the only insane team already signed their man”

The Angels were delusional if they thought he’d take less than Werth was offered, and I think they really didn’t want him that bad then.

By: phukyouk

phukyouk — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:25:39 +0000

dont remember which sport writer said it but “I guess if you can’t beat the Yanks, You become them” and the sox almost did that this off season. too bad thier pitching is still just awful.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:51:08 +0000

Jason Werth is 31 right now, the contract is for 7 years. When it ends he’ll be 38.

Everyone knows that the Werth contract was ludicrous (including Crawford and his agent), you are assuming that it was reasonable. Anyone that thought Werth’s contract represented a new benchmark is foolish. People screamed about the Werth contract because it was foolish in terms of years and rate. People think the Crawford contract is more reasonable because he is worth more than $2M/year than Werth and Werth’s contract was an overpay.

So, you are wrong and using poor logic.

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:06:53 +0000

You’re wrong AND you missed the point of my comment. JDub’s contract is for 7/$126, turning him 39, not 38 at the beginning of his final year. And there were several onlys in my comment, meaning that I can’t believe Crawford and his agent settled for just $16 million more, or just over $2 million/year.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:43:38 +0000

First, Crawford doesn’t have the injury history of Werth. Second, he has been a better player than Werth. Third, he’ll turn 36 just a couple of months before the deal expires, whereas Werth will be turning 38 at the beginning of the final season. Those last two years, combined with Werth’s injury history, are what kill that deal for people.

By: daveydawg

daveydawg — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:32:33 +0000

i love when yankee fans get defensive

By: iamthedoublestandard

iamthedoublestandard — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:44:46 +0000

I love that the entire Yankees outfield, which is very good mind you, is making $2M less than the Red Sox new left fielder. Gotta love it. This can be seen as me spinning but good job Cash last night making them pay more than they should have. Gamesmanship at its best.

By: iamthedoublestandard

iamthedoublestandard — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:39:03 +0000

This is why I don’t understand the double standard I mentione in another post. It’s truly mind boggling. Bad teams like the Nats would still make bad decisions. Cap or no cap. The cap would change nothing.

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:35:39 +0000

I’ll post this over here, too:

Alright, this is just stunning and disturbing. JDub went to DC for 7/$126 and people were screaming. Now, Crawford signs for 7/$142, and people are okay with it? That’s only $16 million more, people!!! Crawford is only $2 million better than Grizzly? Really?!?!?