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		<title>By: bigtrav425</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You cant compare them unless you give them the same 6inches inside and out(mostly out to show im not a total hater ) that baseball gave maddux ,smoltz and glavine.If it wasnt for the extra foot they were givin it wouldnt even be close!...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cant compare them unless you give them the same 6inches inside and out(mostly out to show im not a total hater ) that baseball gave maddux ,smoltz and glavine.If it wasnt for the extra foot they were givin it wouldnt even be close!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: johnnynewguy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnnynewguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From 1996-1998 with the Braves is far and away the best rotation ever. We have to look at the 5th starter spot because the Phillies will have a 5 man rotation this season. 1996-1997 the 5th starter spot for the braves was made up of Kevin Millwood, Jason Schmidt, and Paul Byrd. None of whom are bad pitchers on their own. But if that is your 5th starter production then you are damn good. 1998 was even better because Millwood came into his own and held the spot all season. Millwood produced a ERA + of 102 which is meh but again for a 5th starter production is awesome. He also was 17-8, with 29 games started, and 174.1 innings pitched. We may not see production from a 5th starter like that for 5 years or more at times. If the 2011 Phillies want to be in this discussion then come talk to me if they keep Blanton, and maybe not even then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 1996-1998 with the Braves is far and away the best rotation ever. We have to look at the 5th starter spot because the Phillies will have a 5 man rotation this season. 1996-1997 the 5th starter spot for the braves was made up of Kevin Millwood, Jason Schmidt, and Paul Byrd. None of whom are bad pitchers on their own. But if that is your 5th starter production then you are damn good. 1998 was even better because Millwood came into his own and held the spot all season. Millwood produced a ERA + of 102 which is meh but again for a 5th starter production is awesome. He also was 17-8, with 29 games started, and 174.1 innings pitched. We may not see production from a 5th starter like that for 5 years or more at times. If the 2011 Phillies want to be in this discussion then come talk to me if they keep Blanton, and maybe not even then.</p>
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		<title>By: PanchoHerreraFanClub</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PanchoHerreraFanClub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I vote for the &#039;54 Indians. With Bob Feller as their 5th starter and three future HOFers in the rotation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for the &#8217;54 Indians. With Bob Feller as their 5th starter and three future HOFers in the rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is that what I meant to say?  My original thought seemed much more succinct and concise, but oh well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that what I meant to say?  My original thought seemed much more succinct and concise, but oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damnit forgot my posterisk.  That 5.6 season from Glavine was the &#039;98 season he won the CY.  Tell me how he deserved that award over Kevin Brown, who beat him in almost every meaningful category (more Ks, less BBs, less HRs, lower ERA over almost 30 more IP, more CG...)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1998.shtml#NLcya]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damnit forgot my posterisk.  That 5.6 season from Glavine was the &#8217;98 season he won the CY.  Tell me how he deserved that award over Kevin Brown, who beat him in almost every meaningful category (more Ks, less BBs, less HRs, lower ERA over almost 30 more IP, more CG&#8230;)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1998.shtml#NLcya" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1998.shtml#NLcya</a></p>
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		<title>By: seeingwhatsticks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seeingwhatsticks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re totally right about the Phillies amazing September.  I totally forgot that they went 20+ games without allowing more than 2 runs, and had the lowest staff ERA since the 1920&#039;s.  Oh wait, that was the Giants.  Nevermind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re totally right about the Phillies amazing September.  I totally forgot that they went 20+ games without allowing more than 2 runs, and had the lowest staff ERA since the 1920&#8242;s.  Oh wait, that was the Giants.  Nevermind.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Top 3 Seasons of fWAR:

Phillies:
Halladay - 7.5, 6.9, 6.9
Lee - 7.9, 5.0, 4.3 (god bref.com isn&#039;t as impressed with Lee as fangraphs is)
Oswalt - 6.2, 5.6, 5.3
Hamels - 4.7, 4.4, 4.1

Braves:
Maddox - 8.8, 8.4, 7.3
Glavine - 7.4, 5.6, 5.6*
Smoltz - 6.1, 4.7, 4.7
Neagle/Avery - 4.1, 4.0

&#039;71 Orioles:
Palmer - 7.9, 7.6, 6.4
Cueller - 6.5, 4.5, 4.3
McNally - 4.7, 3.8, 3.1
Dobson - 4.3, 3.1, 2.8

Strictly at their peak [Hamels gets shafted since he doesn&#039;t have the years the others have], I think the Braves have a slight, slight advantage, but the Phillies are a lot closer than it appears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top 3 Seasons of fWAR:</p>
<p>Phillies:<br />
Halladay &#8211; 7.5, 6.9, 6.9<br />
Lee &#8211; 7.9, 5.0, 4.3 (god bref.com isn&#8217;t as impressed with Lee as fangraphs is)<br />
Oswalt &#8211; 6.2, 5.6, 5.3<br />
Hamels &#8211; 4.7, 4.4, 4.1</p>
<p>Braves:<br />
Maddox &#8211; 8.8, 8.4, 7.3<br />
Glavine &#8211; 7.4, 5.6, 5.6*<br />
Smoltz &#8211; 6.1, 4.7, 4.7<br />
Neagle/Avery &#8211; 4.1, 4.0</p>
<p>&#8217;71 Orioles:<br />
Palmer &#8211; 7.9, 7.6, 6.4<br />
Cueller &#8211; 6.5, 4.5, 4.3<br />
McNally &#8211; 4.7, 3.8, 3.1<br />
Dobson &#8211; 4.3, 3.1, 2.8</p>
<p>Strictly at their peak [Hamels gets shafted since he doesn't have the years the others have], I think the Braves have a slight, slight advantage, but the Phillies are a lot closer than it appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you mean to say is that you don&#039;t have a &quot;person who wants to win and not just play well&quot; in your population of fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you mean to say is that you don&#8217;t have a &#8220;person who wants to win and not just play well&#8221; in your population of fans.</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nps6724]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sucks for you, then.

Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz are all in the top 5 in all-time postseason wins.  Something tells me it wasn&#039;t their fault in most cases.  It takes 25 men to win the World Series, not 3.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sucks for you, then.</p>
<p>Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz are all in the top 5 in all-time postseason wins.  Something tells me it wasn&#8217;t their fault in most cases.  It takes 25 men to win the World Series, not 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well then I guess Messirs Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz really, truly suck at craps then because they seemed to lose the &quot;crapshoot&quot; every year but one.  The difference here is that when playing craps, the house has the edge.  When the Phillies played in the playoffs, THEY had the edge.  When my team is a 3-1 favorite, I expect them to win.  When they don&#039;t, it&#039;s a failure.  Call it what you want, but the fact is that the Phillies 2010 season was a failure.  If they don&#039;t win it all in the next 4 years, then they will be failures too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then I guess Messirs Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz really, truly suck at craps then because they seemed to lose the &#8220;crapshoot&#8221; every year but one.  The difference here is that when playing craps, the house has the edge.  When the Phillies played in the playoffs, THEY had the edge.  When my team is a 3-1 favorite, I expect them to win.  When they don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s a failure.  Call it what you want, but the fact is that the Phillies 2010 season was a failure.  If they don&#8217;t win it all in the next 4 years, then they will be failures too.</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nps6724]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually it was more of pointing out that Philly fans have nothing to gloat about since currently both teams have only 1 ring in the time frames being mentioned.  The Braves won their ring in the 4th year of their run.  There&#039;s no guarantee Philly will win another ring no matter how good the rotation is.  There&#039;s just too many factors in the playoffs.

Where did I take the position that Philly won&#039;t win another title?  I&#039;m just not in the &quot;Oh it&#039;s a shoo-in!!!&quot; crowd.  Injuries, under-performance, bad luck, any of those can derail a sure-fire World Series winner.  I mean hell, Seattle had the best regular season ever in 2001 and got whooped in the ALCS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it was more of pointing out that Philly fans have nothing to gloat about since currently both teams have only 1 ring in the time frames being mentioned.  The Braves won their ring in the 4th year of their run.  There&#8217;s no guarantee Philly will win another ring no matter how good the rotation is.  There&#8217;s just too many factors in the playoffs.</p>
<p>Where did I take the position that Philly won&#8217;t win another title?  I&#8217;m just not in the &#8220;Oh it&#8217;s a shoo-in!!!&#8221; crowd.  Injuries, under-performance, bad luck, any of those can derail a sure-fire World Series winner.  I mean hell, Seattle had the best regular season ever in 2001 and got whooped in the ALCS.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can this rotation last those 10 years? heck no.  My point was you compared a 14 year long Braves dynasty to this 4 year long Phillies dynasty by saying essentially, &quot;Yeah...but the Phillies still haven&#039;t won more WS championships than my team did when they had a run of success that was more than three times longer than yours.  So there!&quot;

Admittedly, it won&#039;t be easy to sustain as sort of success like the Braves did.  I&#039;d bet that such a run of division titles won&#039;t be repeat by this current Phillies run of success, especially given the ages of most of the Phillies core players at this point.  But it would be only slightly less foolish for you to take the position that this Phillies WON&#039;T win at least one more World Series before this team gets torn apart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can this rotation last those 10 years? heck no.  My point was you compared a 14 year long Braves dynasty to this 4 year long Phillies dynasty by saying essentially, &#8220;Yeah&#8230;but the Phillies still haven&#8217;t won more WS championships than my team did when they had a run of success that was more than three times longer than yours.  So there!&#8221;</p>
<p>Admittedly, it won&#8217;t be easy to sustain as sort of success like the Braves did.  I&#8217;d bet that such a run of division titles won&#8217;t be repeat by this current Phillies run of success, especially given the ages of most of the Phillies core players at this point.  But it would be only slightly less foolish for you to take the position that this Phillies WON&#8217;T win at least one more World Series before this team gets torn apart.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t have a Chris Fiorentino in our population of fans.  That&#039;s the difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t have a Chris Fiorentino in our population of fans.  That&#8217;s the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nps6724]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s all part of it, CJ.  Can Philly sustain their success for another 10 years?  Can that rotation, 3 of which are over 30, sustain that success?  Maybe, maybe not.

I see too many people placing the &quot;blame&quot; for only winning 1 championship on the rotation.  The Braves didn&#039;t have anything close to resembling a potent offense.  That was the problem more than anything.  You won&#039;t find too many Atlanta hitters on the all-time postseason leaders lists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all part of it, CJ.  Can Philly sustain their success for another 10 years?  Can that rotation, 3 of which are over 30, sustain that success?  Maybe, maybe not.</p>
<p>I see too many people placing the &#8220;blame&#8221; for only winning 1 championship on the rotation.  The Braves didn&#8217;t have anything close to resembling a potent offense.  That was the problem more than anything.  You won&#8217;t find too many Atlanta hitters on the all-time postseason leaders lists.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be pointed out that the Phillies “recent dominating period” is a little less than the 14 years the Braves had to win their WS. Give it ten years and see how that comparison works out for ya. I would think we could at least double your total if given the same timespan. And with this rotation, that’s being humble about it.

(sorry to repost, it didn&#039;t attach to the comment last time)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be pointed out that the Phillies “recent dominating period” is a little less than the 14 years the Braves had to win their WS. Give it ten years and see how that comparison works out for ya. I would think we could at least double your total if given the same timespan. And with this rotation, that’s being humble about it.</p>
<p>(sorry to repost, it didn&#8217;t attach to the comment last time)</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nps6724]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ibanez will be 39; his &#039;10 season could very well be his current &quot;average&quot;.  Or he could suddenly go downhill, which happens at that age all the time (to guys not on PEDs anyway).

Rollins has declined every year since his MVP season.  If we go by his career averages, his average season would be slightly worse than his &#039;08, which was considered a disappointing year.

Ruiz had a career year, hitting 40 points above his previous high and got on base 40 points above his previous high.  Can he repeat a career year?

Utley and Howard will need to surpass their average years to make up for Werth.  Even if Ibanez and Rollins top theirs.  They lost a much bigger bat than their fans want to admit.  That all changes if Brown matches his potential.

They&#039;ll still be a very good-to-great team.  But they still need a lot to go right for them to reach that high level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibanez will be 39; his &#8217;10 season could very well be his current &#8220;average&#8221;.  Or he could suddenly go downhill, which happens at that age all the time (to guys not on PEDs anyway).</p>
<p>Rollins has declined every year since his MVP season.  If we go by his career averages, his average season would be slightly worse than his &#8217;08, which was considered a disappointing year.</p>
<p>Ruiz had a career year, hitting 40 points above his previous high and got on base 40 points above his previous high.  Can he repeat a career year?</p>
<p>Utley and Howard will need to surpass their average years to make up for Werth.  Even if Ibanez and Rollins top theirs.  They lost a much bigger bat than their fans want to admit.  That all changes if Brown matches his potential.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll still be a very good-to-great team.  But they still need a lot to go right for them to reach that high level.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be pointed out that the Phillies &quot;recent dominating period&quot; is a little less than the 14 years the Braves had to win their WS.  Give it ten years and see how that comparison works out for ya.  I would think we could at least double your total if given the same timespan.  And with this rotation, that&#039;s being humble about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be pointed out that the Phillies &#8220;recent dominating period&#8221; is a little less than the 14 years the Braves had to win their WS.  Give it ten years and see how that comparison works out for ya.  I would think we could at least double your total if given the same timespan.  And with this rotation, that&#8217;s being humble about it.</p>
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		<title>By: sdelmonte</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want some serious analysis compare both these rotations to the 1971 Orioles staff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want some serious analysis compare both these rotations to the 1971 Orioles staff.</p>
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		<title>By: canadaman54</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And none of those rings belong to Halladay, Lee, or Oswalt.  I believe this puts the Braves foursome at a 4-1 advantage if i&#039;m doing my math right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And none of those rings belong to Halladay, Lee, or Oswalt.  I believe this puts the Braves foursome at a 4-1 advantage if i&#8217;m doing my math right.</p>
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		<title>By: apbaguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating. I thought we saw some pretty good pitching by one team this last WS: Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgardner. The oldest of those guys is 26. 

If I&#039;m a Philly fan I&#039;m crazy excited. But the road to the championship last year went through the Embarcadero. 

We won&#039;t know for sure if that will happen again. The Phillies Aces have a longer track record. But that could be the problem. That track record is maybe getting too long. 

The only thing that&#039;s certain is that there is a lot to look forward to this year, unless you&#039;re a fan of the A&#039;s or Orioles or Royals or Pirates. But hey, I&#039;m 20 minutes from AT&amp;T. I&#039;m looking forward to seeing Lincecum vs. Doc, Cain vs Lee, etc.. That&#039;s baseball. Think the house will be full? Get those garlic fries ready, cause I&#039;m ready right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. I thought we saw some pretty good pitching by one team this last WS: Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgardner. The oldest of those guys is 26. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m a Philly fan I&#8217;m crazy excited. But the road to the championship last year went through the Embarcadero. </p>
<p>We won&#8217;t know for sure if that will happen again. The Phillies Aces have a longer track record. But that could be the problem. That track record is maybe getting too long. </p>
<p>The only thing that&#8217;s certain is that there is a lot to look forward to this year, unless you&#8217;re a fan of the A&#8217;s or Orioles or Royals or Pirates. But hey, I&#8217;m 20 minutes from AT&amp;T. I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing Lincecum vs. Doc, Cain vs Lee, etc.. That&#8217;s baseball. Think the house will be full? Get those garlic fries ready, cause I&#8217;m ready right now.</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After that rant, you should never get angry again if compared to Yankee fans.

All that just makes for a pissed-off existence.  The playoffs are a crapshoot; it&#039;s all about matchups and who&#039;s hot.  In a short series, anything can happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After that rant, you should never get angry again if compared to Yankee fans.</p>
<p>All that just makes for a pissed-off existence.  The playoffs are a crapshoot; it&#8217;s all about matchups and who&#8217;s hot.  In a short series, anything can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no, it requires Rollins, Utley, Howard and Ibanez to merely return to &quot;average&quot; form.  Everyone with the exception of Ruiz (that includes Werth) had sub-average season last year.  Even if they don&#039;t put up career years and end up with average production, it&#039;s an improvement that will ultimately make up for Werth&#039;s absence.  Odds are good Howard and Utley have very good years, and that Rollins bounces back moderately.  That would make a potent offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, it requires Rollins, Utley, Howard and Ibanez to merely return to &#8220;average&#8221; form.  Everyone with the exception of Ruiz (that includes Werth) had sub-average season last year.  Even if they don&#8217;t put up career years and end up with average production, it&#8217;s an improvement that will ultimately make up for Werth&#8217;s absence.  Odds are good Howard and Utley have very good years, and that Rollins bounces back moderately.  That would make a potent offense.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 1986 Mets had five guys win 14 games or more if I recall.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, with Hamels, Myers, Moyer and Blanton...LOL.  Like I said...if they dont win one of the next four, then you won&#039;t hear me calling them the greatest rotation ever no matter what their ERA+ is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, with Hamels, Myers, Moyer and Blanton&#8230;LOL.  Like I said&#8230;if they dont win one of the next four, then you won&#8217;t hear me calling them the greatest rotation ever no matter what their ERA+ is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the difference between a Braves fan and a Phillies fan?

A Braves fan is proud of the Braves rotation of the 90&#039;s.  They were dominant, I agree.  But they also won exactly one world series with 10+ years of Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux.  Shoot, the Phillies won one world series with Hamels, Myers, Moyer and Blanton...LOL.

A Phillies fan watched his team have the single greatest month in baseball history last September, with 3 pitchers who pitched like no other 3 pitchers have ever pitched for a month in history.  And their ace threw a no-hitter in his first postseason game.  And the season was an utter failure.  Complete.  Utter.  Failure.  You will never hear me brag about how good they were, because they didn&#039;t win it all.  I don&#039;t care about the offense not showing up.  Throw shutouts then and stop whining.

If in 4 years, the Phillies do not win another World Series, then the next 4 years will have been a failure.  I don&#039;t care if they win 120 games a year.  I don&#039;t care if all 4 pitchers have a combined 1,000,000,000,000 ERA+.  Win it all, or it&#039;s a failure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a Braves fan and a Phillies fan?</p>
<p>A Braves fan is proud of the Braves rotation of the 90&#8242;s.  They were dominant, I agree.  But they also won exactly one world series with 10+ years of Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux.  Shoot, the Phillies won one world series with Hamels, Myers, Moyer and Blanton&#8230;LOL.</p>
<p>A Phillies fan watched his team have the single greatest month in baseball history last September, with 3 pitchers who pitched like no other 3 pitchers have ever pitched for a month in history.  And their ace threw a no-hitter in his first postseason game.  And the season was an utter failure.  Complete.  Utter.  Failure.  You will never hear me brag about how good they were, because they didn&#8217;t win it all.  I don&#8217;t care about the offense not showing up.  Throw shutouts then and stop whining.</p>
<p>If in 4 years, the Phillies do not win another World Series, then the next 4 years will have been a failure.  I don&#8217;t care if they win 120 games a year.  I don&#8217;t care if all 4 pitchers have a combined 1,000,000,000,000 ERA+.  Win it all, or it&#8217;s a failure.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Mets had one of the best rotations ever in 1990 and won exactly bupkis.  Viola, Cone, Gooden, Fernandez, Darling.  And then there was fail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mets had one of the best rotations ever in 1990 and won exactly bupkis.  Viola, Cone, Gooden, Fernandez, Darling.  And then there was fail.</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nps6724]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minus Werth?  Maybe, but it&#039;ll require Rollins to regain form, Ibanez to stay productive at 39, everyone to remain healthy, and Brown to emerge as a threat.  That&#039;s a lot to bank on.

It&#039;ll definitely make for an interesting season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minus Werth?  Maybe, but it&#8217;ll require Rollins to regain form, Ibanez to stay productive at 39, everyone to remain healthy, and Brown to emerge as a threat.  That&#8217;s a lot to bank on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll definitely make for an interesting season.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent &quot;that&#039;s what she said&quot; usage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent &#8220;that&#8217;s what she said&#8221; usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that&#039;s what she said.  

also, expect a bounceback offensive season out of the phils to complement The H20Lee Quartet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s what she said.  </p>
<p>also, expect a bounceback offensive season out of the phils to complement The H20Lee Quartet.</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You do realize there is an offensive side to the game of baseball, correct? Can&#039;t win if you don&#039;t score.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize there is an offensive side to the game of baseball, correct? Can&#8217;t win if you don&#8217;t score.</p>
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