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No, Felix Hernandez is not coming to New York

Dec 15, 2010, 9:11 AM EDT

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Not to pick on this message board guy because I’ve seen the sentiment around in many places, but …

Now that Cliff Lee is going to the Phils, I think the Yankees should turn their attention to seeking a trade for Felix Hernandez of the Seattle Mariners. The Yankees should be prepared to offer four of the best young players in their minor leagues , including Montero, Betances,Nova and Nunez. These young players can help Seattle build a new team,which it needs very much. Having just one good pitcher like Hernandez is clearly not enough for this team.

Resolved: your level of panic as a Yankees fan is directly related to the strength of your belief that Brian Cashman can trade for Felix Hernandez.

He’s not going anywhere. The Mariners aren’t dealing him. Not now anyway. Indeed, the only reason they would trade him is if they had the same level of concern for the Yankees playoff chances as Yankees fans do.  Or if Cashman were to offer Cano, Montero, Gardner and Hughes while picking up salary. In which case, sure, a deal could be struck.

Call me crazy, but I’m not seein’ that.

  1. easports82 - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM

    I believe we covered this a few weeks ago when someone thought Felix made too much money and the Mariners couldn’t afford him. I think the guy is still smarting from HBT nation smacking him down.

  2. BC - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM

    If they’re looking to add a pitcher, they’re better off looking at Greinke. Or Nolasco if the Marlins implode this year.

    • Brian - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:42 AM

      I hear Joe Blanton’s available.

      • BC - Dec 15, 2010 at 10:16 AM

        If Blanton were any fatter he’d have moons orbiting him.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 15, 2010 at 11:22 AM

        Leave Joe Alone!!!!!!

        He’s big boned.

        I say they throw everything at getting Grenkie too. They better watch it though, I hear Ruben Amaro calling the Royals as we speak. He’s become a real dirty bastard lately, he has…

    • Brian - Dec 15, 2010 at 11:58 AM

      BC – Best Joe Blanton fat joke EVER!!! Props.

  3. gvots - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:33 AM

    They don’t really want him anyway. He’s terrible and doesn’t know how to win.

    • Rosenthals Speling Instrukter - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM

      I can see the call:

      Zduriencik : “We will trade you Hernandez for a single A prospect.”

      Cashman: “No, we don’t want him. He doesn’t know how to win.”

      Zduriencik : “……..Okay?”

  4. phukyouk - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM

    I’m with you on all that except for the Cano part….. they can have AJ if they want :-)

  5. phillysoulfan - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:39 AM

    This is why the world hates Yankee fans. If they were the 4 best prospects in baseball, wouldn’t it make more sense for the Yankees to hang on to them? After all, Posada is 900 years old and Montero is a catcher and Nova and Nunez are pitchers that are always needed. I don’t know who the other guy is.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM

      If they were the 4 best prospects in baseball, wouldn’t it make more sense for the Yankees to hang on to them?

      It would, except that’s not what the quoted individual says. He says they are four of the best prospects on the Yankees [even though Nova and Nunez aren’t]. Nunez also is an IF with no power, not a pitcher.

      Don’t make blanket statements about fans and then post information that’s 90% wrong.

    • seattlej - Dec 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM

      Hey uh, Phillyfan… come over here, let me tell you something. You do know that perhaps the only thing more despised by the greater baseball fandom than a NY fan is a Phillies fan, right? It’s just quite funny (not to mention ironic) that it’s you, Phillyfan, that are bashing others. Keep up the good work.

  6. jkcalhoun - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:56 AM

    All frontline talent rightfully belongs to the Yankees. Some of it just hasn’t been claimed yet.

    And, cf. Lee’s free agency, talent that won’t play in New York is by definition not frontline talent.

  7. kmgannon - Dec 15, 2010 at 10:01 AM

    Tom Verducci has an interesting piece on today-apparently the Yankees could have had Lee from Seattle last summer if they had been willing to part with Eduardo Nunez, a 24 year old SS who NY seems to think much more highly of than anyone else. (Career OBP .318). This is what I love about both the Yankees and their fans–they overhype their prospects to the point of absurdity. Just because a player is in the Yankees’ farm system doesn’t mean they’ve somehow acquired the “mystique” and “aura” of a “winner.” How many decent players has their system produced lately? For every Cano, there’s ten more scrubs like Nunez.

    Enjoy Eduardo and his anemic OBP after Jeter retires, Yankee Fan. Good thing Cashman and his staff saw how good he was and weren’t tempted to do anything stupid like trade him for Cliff Lee or anything. :)

  8. sportsguy2323 - Dec 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM

    Cano, Hughes, Montero and Gardner for King Felix? What are you smoking buddy? If I were Seattles GM GM and I got a straight offer of Cano and Montero for King Felix I would fly Felix to the airport and pack his suitcase for him. I agree Seattle will not deal him to NY this season but by you simply mentioning Cano or Phil Hughes in ANY deal for any player simply ruins your credability. Why in the World would the New York Yankees even considering trading their best overall hitter (Prime of his career not a big cost) and Phil Hughes 24 years old who won 18 games last year in the AL East…

    • felser - Dec 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM

      CC was making a funny, not advocating that the offer could be real.

    • mordecofe - Dec 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM

      What are you smoking, sportsguy2323? Your question could equally apply to the Mariners: “Why in the world would the Seattle Mariners even consider trading their best overall pitcher (Prime of his career not a big cost)?”

      Point is, Seattle doesn’t have to trade Felix. He’s signed through 2014 at a decent price. NY doesn’t have to trade Cano or Hughes, but if they want Seattle to trade the reigning Cy Young winner (and possible future Cy Young winner) they have to blow Seattle away. You have to keep in mind that a trade has to work both ways, and that if neither party feels they’re getting full value, they can step away, but if you really want someone, you have to be prepared to pay the price.

      I actually think Cano, Hughes, Montero, and Gardner is not too off from what it would take. Though it also depends on whether Seattle’s top prospect, Dustin Ackley, can stick at 2B. If so, I’d imagine they’d be less prepared to take Cano. Who is awesome, but again – you have to give to get.

      • jcap17 - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:08 PM

        What are YOU smoking mordecofe?

        “I actually think Cano, Hughes, Montero, and Gardner is not too off from what it would take. …” … I get it. Yankees must fork over their best hitter and a 24-year-old right-hander who won 18 games and throws 95 mph, plus their best prospect since Derek Jeter and a serviceable outfielder who’s a menace on the basepaths because “you have to give to get?” What a joke. Dude, puff, puff, give, bro … King Felix is a great pitcher, but don’t confuse the Yankees’ disappointment over not getting Lee with desperation. They are not there. No chance in hell they are in mid-December. … If you play your cards right, the Yankees could singlehandedly rebuild your franchise, but over time, not overnight.

      • kevinwshields - Dec 15, 2010 at 9:14 PM

        Look at this from the point of view of Seattle’s front office:

        Your team is a disaster. The franchise is going nowhere, and Felix’s talents are being squandered in a lost situation. You owe Felix almost $70 million over the next four years. You have holes at pretty much every position. And you won’t be able to afford him after his contract expires in 2014, so a resigning is basically out of the question.

        Now, you can trade him out-of-division for an 18-game winner (Hughes), one of the best catching prospects in baseball (Montero), a young and raw but talented starter (Ivan Nova), a speedy outfielder who can field and is scrappy at the plate (Gardner), and a few other pieces to fill some holes… you can address half of the problems plaguing your franchise, while making sure to get something for an entity who’s clock is ticking for your franchise anyway.

        The Mariners know they’re not getting Cano. He’s not on the table for any team, because he’s arguably the most valuable player the Yankees have (taking into account offense, defense, intangibles, salary, etc.). That’s a pretty great package for, admittedly, a franchise starter (and yes, the fans will be in an uproar, but you’re Seattle – you’re used to fans getting upset over getting $0.60 on the dollar – and there’s not a better deal on the horizon).

        But you’re not going to be able to resign him, and you can’t afford to let him walk without getting anything in return.

  9. jkay123 - Dec 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

    Resolved: your level of panic as a Yankees fan is directly related to the strength of your belief that Brian Cashman can trade for Felix Hernandez
    which yankee fans think this? Felix has never even crossed my mind, and i bet 90% of yankee fans don’t feel he can trade for felix.

    phillys fan, your post was a tad harsh man. It’s why the world hates yankee fans, right. Nunez is a SS by the way. But this is also coming from fans that if the yankees sign someone they are buying the league but if teams like the mets, phils and sox do, they are bettering their team.

    • basedrum777 - Dec 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM


      I give the man props for handling his choices with the same result but the opposite bravado of Lebron. That’s called maturity…

  10. Old Gator - Dec 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM

    I’d like to see Hernandez in New York. He’d probably be a .500 pitcher there too.

  11. Tick - Dec 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM

    I’m sure by mid-season the Yankees should be able to cherry pick whatever one of the A’s young stud pitchers that they want.
    And, unfortunately, I say that as an A’s fan.

  12. IdahoMariner - Dec 15, 2010 at 1:54 PM

    Felix isn’t going anywhere for a while. We just locked him up at a reasonable and fair price (so both sides are happy), Felix is enjoying his new role as a team leader, and has figured out how to keep doing his thing even when the offense is historically bad (he had more trouble with such things in the past, getting emotional and thrown from his game plan), he is backed in the outfield by Ichiro! and Death to Flying Things, and if he really wanted to go somewhere…he could have. He could have said no to the extension. Cliff should’ve made it clear — more money can’t buy EVERYTHING. It can buy a LOT…but not everything.

  13. marinermousse - Dec 15, 2010 at 8:43 PM

    I echo Idaho. The Mariners may have the best defensive team in baseball next year (Smoak is excellent at 1B, Brendan Ryan is super at 2B, Jack Wilson is near Gold-Glove at SS and Figgins will be back where he excels, at 3B….Saunders, Guti and Ichiro cover as much ground as any outfield in baseball and all have good arms. Olivo threw out 42% of basestealers. They will almost certainly keep most of the younger players down on the farm to help them develop and also save service time. Safeco is a great pitcher’s park and the A’s and Angels are not scary teams to face (Texas IS!). All in all, Felix gets a tremendous amount of respect and now has the defense and ballpark to allow him to continue to put up great numbers. If Bedard is at all healthy, Felix will have a solid #2 behind him (until he gets traded for Montero in July!). Quite franky, I doubt if Felix would want to go to the Yankees RIGHT NOW if offered the choice!! When 2015 comes around, however, if the Mariners have not put together a division-contender, he will almost certainly move on (as did Arod, Griffey and Randy) for both the $$ and a chance to win.

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