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Dec 23, 2010, 8:20 AM EDT

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The Daily News actually feels it necessary to get comment from Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik that, no, he does not plan on trading their young, reasonably-priced reigning Cy Young Award winning ace to the Yankees:

“I have no interest in trading Felix,” Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik told the Daily News Wednesday. “He’s a true ace, a true No. 1, and those are difficult to find. We’re very happy to have him here.”

To be clear: this is not a slam on the Daily News. The reporter here — Mark Feinsand — has long been telling Yankees fans on Twitter that they’re nutso to even think that the Mariners would trade King Felix. Indeed, Feinsand spends a great deal of time on Twitter disabusing Yankees fans of their fantastical notions.  It appears to be thankless work, but Mark does it just about every day.

But the existence of this story suggests that Yankees fans continue to obsess about it, either to Feinsand or to the editors or to talk radio, thus prompting a report on what, to most people, would be obvious.

  1. phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 8:36 AM

    July 31 hes a Yankee. Mark my Words!

    • easports82 - Dec 23, 2010 at 8:40 AM

      Can they be marked for lunacy?

  2. Panda Claus - Dec 23, 2010 at 8:39 AM

    Craig, you could have just said “_________ fans are kind of nuts” and still been right. All baseball fans have a bit of nut in them.

    As to Felix not being traded, didn’t we hear that wasn’t going to happen to Greinke too (when he got an extension)? Time changes everything. So does winning and losing (in terms of who is or isn’t “un-tradable”).

    • easports82 - Dec 23, 2010 at 8:49 AM

      It does, but he just signed his extension through 2014. If the M’s can’t get something positive going by 2013, sure he’ll be available. Outside of a crazy, one-sided deal where the M’s get 3 or 4 MLB ready/proven talent, why trade him right now?

    • Utley's Hair - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:02 AM

      We’ve heard that about JDub, too, though that’s for the simple reason that the Gnats are nuts.

      By the way, aren’t you really busy this time of year to be posting here? What with all the sweatshop toys you have to make and all…

      • yankeesfanlen - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM

        Another Philly Phan abusing Mr. Claus.

      • Panda Claus - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM

        That’s true, I should be tending other matters.

        However, this fellow Andy MacPhail has filled my inbox with requests for a first baseman–again. I gave him Garrett Atkins when he made the same request last year, but that didn’t work out too well. I sort of feel like I owe him one.

      • Utley's Hair - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:56 AM

        Okay…I’ll play along.

        Hey, Claus? BOOOOO


      • Utley's Hair - Dec 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM

        But to stick with a theme touched upon by Jonny, Merry Cliffmas and Happy Halladays to all. And to those to which it applies, a belated Hamelsnukoswalt.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 23, 2010 at 11:27 AM

        LMAO!!!! I actually saw a t-shirt last night. Merry Cliffmas and a Happy Halladay. It was an official Phillies christmas shirt. I guess they aren’t going to wait to get some $$ back from that deal. “Hamelsnukoswalt” Too funny… or Oswanza and Hamelka ?

      • Utley's Hair - Dec 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM

        How about Hamelsnukkah and Kwanzwalt?

  3. Ralph - Dec 23, 2010 at 8:47 AM

    Unavailable? Nonsense. The Mariners should be honored that the Yanks are looking at acquiring one of their players! Cashman should call Zduriencik up and offer Joba, Mitre and a lesser prospect for Felix. The Mariners would be nuts to not take that deal!


    • Utley's Hair - Dec 23, 2010 at 8:58 AM

      And of course the Joba/Mitre part of the deal is just out of courtesy, right? No way the Ms should even expect anything in return for the Yankers’ interest in one their players.

      Spalding, you’ll have nothing and like it!!

  4. thinman61 - Dec 23, 2010 at 8:53 AM

    Fan is shorthand for fanatic, right? The Yankee variety just have a greater sense of entitlement than the rest of us.

  5. Jason @ IIATMS - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:08 AM

    Feinsand is awesome. As accessible as any beat writer out there. And maybe he’s responding to a legion of fans who, still in cliffly shock, want to sell the entire farm system for King Felix. Maybe he’s just finding a story in the midst of a period when there’s no new news, outside of silly Johnny Damon rumors.

    His job is to sell papers and getting quotes from Jack Z will get clicks and sell papers.

    Sure there are some crazies out there who truly believe the Yanks are destined to get Felix. I’m not one of them. But if there ever were a time when the Mariners could outright pillage the Yanks entire farm system (and ML roster, too), now would be that time.

    • Jonny 5 - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:27 AM

      I’m kind of shocked that Seattle wouldn’t rob,rape, and pillage the yanks farm system myself. For a team that kind of needs to rebuild, why keep him and the salary burden he’ll be very soon. I think they’d be foolish not to at least see what the offer is. But if they want to keep him just to retain their ace, so be it.

      On that note…

      The Yankees Get big Joe Blanton for an OF. Gardener? Naaaa….

      • Kevin S. - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:36 AM

        Dream on. The Phillies are dumping Blanton on whoever is willing to take on the most of his salary.

      • easports82 - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:37 AM

        The farm system isn’t the problem; it’s MLB ready talent. The M’s AAA squad on the PCL title. To deal him, you have to be able to plug in multiple holes on the MLB roster and the candidates the M’s would take aren’t going to be available.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:07 AM

        Kevin, After what Amaro pulled off in the Oswalt trade, then the Lee signing, not to mention getting a deal on Halladay. All I have to say is Dreams are what the Phillies are made of, so would I be wrong to dream up more? I don’t think so. Truthfully I’d love to keep Big Joe around. But man the Yanks have to be getting desperate, unless they just write off 2011?/ But I don’t see that. That salary doesn’t allow for writing off any season. So I think the baseball world is going to be pretty crazy with some teams making deals no one would expect. Maybe not what I said, but just like what i said.

        And look at what Pavano wants to make, Blanton is probably a better deal. Pavano and NY don’t mix well either do they.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM

        I just think the circumstances are a little different, because the Phils are pretty desperate to move salary. In terms of talent, Blanton is probably the best the Phillies have for the fifth starter slot, but they really need to unload him. Salary dumps don’t bring back stuff that’s all that decent.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM

        Oh, Kevin you and i both know that’s a total pipe dream. Both getting a great haul for him with his contract, or keeping him. But I’m feeling all Cliffmassy during this Halladay

  6. phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:13 AM

    “Hello Brian? I’ve got something you want but its going to cost you…. that’s right ALL the tea, muhahahaha”

    • Jason @ IIATMS - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:22 AM

      Ya know what, if Jack Z called Cashman and asked for Gardner, Montero and the top 3 pitchers in the non-ML roster, Cashman would say yes.

      I can’t see Cashman dealing Hughes in any such deal (filed under #yourtradeoffersucks), or Cano for that matter.

      • phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:37 AM

        “Ya know what, if Jack Z called Cashman and asked for Gardner, Montero and the top 3 pitchers in the non-ML roster, Cashman would say yes.”

        top 3 pitchers non roster no way. i mean thats just stupid.

        “I can’t see Cashman dealing Hughes in any such deal (filed under #yourtradeoffersucks), or Cano for that matter.”

        Cano i agree. But phil? yea id give him up for the right price. i guess we need to see how his sophmore yr goes….

  7. jkay123 - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:42 AM

    I don’t get how this article turns into a yankee fan bashing (not the people commenting) to be honest, I haven’t heard one yankee fan mention king felix at all or even crazy enough to think he’d be an option. Just because this guy writes an article about that means nothing. 80% of th articles in these ny papers mean nothing and they know nothing. I also don’t get how people are saying montero, hughes, cano and others wouldnt be enough to land him. Wait a minute here, this might be me being a “nutso” yankee fan, so they trade hughes who is about the same age and won 18 games to get king felix and what? he’ll win max 23 games here? a 5 game swing, with hughes still improving, and they lose their best prospect and robinson cano, the best all around second baseman in the process, that makes a lot of sense. I agree King Felix is good, but let’s not make him out to be dwight gooden before all the problems. I just honestly have not heard one yankee fan even say they should get him or he’s coming here. In fact, all the yankee fans i know think the people who say it would take hughes, cano, montero etc etc, are on crack.

    • phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM

      just for teh record there is nothing wrong with crack. that being said THIS Yankees fan would love to see King felix in pinstripes but i dont think i would give up Cano for anything out there. you want Montero,Joba, Adams and a pick from our current outfield i say done and done. to be brutally honest Huges won 18 games with a 100 ERA.if i am not mistaken he got the most run support in the MLB for all starters that started more than 25 games. he was good.. no doubt. but hes no Felix. just isnt. Felix is great. hes proven himself against ALL the elite teams in the Majors and stood his ground.

  8. jkay123 - Dec 23, 2010 at 9:58 AM

    Im not comparing hughes and king felix, I’m just saying, at the end of the day, you will get about 5 or 6 more wins out of him, even factoring in his era and other stats. Hardly worth giving up hughes along with cano and two or three other guys.

    • phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:13 AM

      5 games can and most likely will be the difference in the division so yea its kind of a big deal. but like i said i dont know anyone out there worth “Post Melky” Cano. but Huges, Montero (can be replaced with Romain) Adams (second base buh bye) and Nunez (SS are a dime a dozen) and an outfielder. its def worth it

  9. imcrae38 - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:10 AM

    Agree with JKay. I’m a season ticket holder living in New York and no fan over the age of 13 is talking about this. The bottom line is this – Mark Feinsand needed to fill his space in the paper and the Yankees aren’t doing anything newsworthy.

    • phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:23 AM

      the News is the WORST sports paper out there… even worse than the Wall Street Journal.

      • yankeesfanlen - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:47 AM

        And there’s really nothing quite as introspective as The Christian Science Monitor sports pages.
        Leave Feinsand alone! He’s the only one who can calm Sterling down in the fifth inning.

      • phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:48 AM

        dont get me started on Suzie and John. i would throw them in for King Felix as well.

  10. jkay123 - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:19 AM

    Youk, but trading cano would probably result in a more than 5 game drop off anyway. youre losing his defense and his bat, his bat carried us a lot this season. Like crae said above me, no one is even talking about king felix coming here, not once have i discussed this with any yankee fans, nor have i heard any logical baseball fan discuss this. Although, if they do trade him for montero, cano, hughes etc etc etc..I can see the articles on this site already …..a picture of cashman at a press conf. with his hand on his head “WHAT WILL THE YANKEES DO FOR A SECOND BASEMAN NOW?” “no yankee fans you arent getting brandon phillips, you traded your farm to the mariners.”
    Too bad babe ruth isn’t live and gherig, although i still dont think the M’s would trade those 2 for king felix.

  11. phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:22 AM

    ummm i said in 3 different posts that i would NOT give up cano for anything. not even a BJ from Megan Fox. you and I are on the same page here. i said that a AGREE that cano is off limits but the rest of them i would gladly give up for Felix.

  12. jkay123 - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM

    i would give up A LOT for a bj from megan fox. I think i opened up a can of worms in my last post. Stay tuned for the article ” a recent comment mentioned he wouldnt trade ruth and gherig for king felix, but a friend at offered up this amazing stat, if you add king felix’s barc, warc and sflllipz, he is in fact more valuable than both ruth and gherig, it only becomes close when you add in ruth’s pitching stats, bottomline yankee fans, youre dreaming if you think those 2 can compare to felix” and then the headline of course “is king felix more valuable than ruth?”

  13. phukyouk - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:43 AM

    or… or… Is King Felix more Valuable than a BJ from Megan Fox. they both work.

    • Kevin S. - Dec 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM

      I doubt a BJ from Megan Fox would be particularly good. She’s probably never had to put in any effort in that department – guys were probably tripping over themselves to do all the work. I’ll take someone who knows what she’s doing.

      • Utley's Hair - Dec 23, 2010 at 11:21 AM

        But Megan Fox AND someone who knows what she’s doing…

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM

        Don’t you lie!!! She wouldn’t even have to be awake. And you’d still pick her over Monica Lewinski. Who knows what she’s doing.

  14. uyf1950 - Dec 23, 2010 at 11:52 AM

    There is no doubt King Felix is a great pitcher in short career so far (6 years). There is also no doubt he is a very valuable asset for the Mariners. But assets only have value if they do something for you. So far King Felix has been with Seattle for 6 years and they (Seattle) has yet to even sniff a division title. I’ve read different posters comments in the past about how Seattle has money to spend, etc…and that’s all true. But so far what they have spent when they did spend has done absolutely no good. Now for the last 3 years their spending has gone down each year (according to Yahoo Salary Database). Looking at what they have done so far this off season it looks like the reduction in Seattle’s payroll will continue in 2011. In 2012 Felix’s payroll will be approximately $20M+/-. While the Mariners ownership can obviously afford it, the question begs does it make sense to pay one player $20M and continue to mired in mediocrity. Add in Suzuki’s salary of $18M in 2012 and the 2 players will account for over 40% of the teams 2010 payroll. To finish probably no better then .500 in the AL West. While it certainly is true Seattle does not have to trade Felix and certainly they don’t need to in 2011. It probably would be in their best interest to trade him when they can get the most for him. I would think the teams lack of success on the field will get to Felix at some point then the Mariners will have little choice but to trade him just like Greinke with the Royals.

  15. jkay123 - Dec 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM

    Yeah but ufy1950 you’re forgetting one thing.. “IS KING FELIX MORE VALUABLE THAN RUTH AND GUIDRY?” “sorry yankee fans in your delusional world, you’d think those two are better but my dear friend at a stat site proves otherwise, add in jeter’s age and take away 2700 of his career hits and he only has 250 hits over 15 yrs, so is he worth 15 mill per?

    • uyf1950 - Dec 23, 2010 at 1:01 PM

      Well my friend. It’s you who are delusional. In a team sport no one player is any more valuable then his teammates. Unless the Mariners are successful King Felix will be nothing more then a footnote in MLB History. And that’s a fact. Ask yourself this question. How valuable was Dan Marino to the Miami Dolphins who never won a Super Bowl? Other then his personal accomplishments the Dolphins could have accomplished the same things they did with or without Marino and the same is true of the Mariners. So don’t overestimate or overstate King Felix’s value to the Mariners.

    • uyf1950 - Dec 23, 2010 at 1:08 PM

      Tojkay123 – One final comment on Felix. King Felix’s greatest value to the Mariners isn’t his ERA, WHIP, Win/Loses or any other personal stat he may have. His greatest value to the Mariners is what they can get for him in a trade.

      • easports82 - Dec 23, 2010 at 1:31 PM

        His greatest value to the Mariners is as an ace pitcher who takes the mound every 5 days and dominates the opposition, which brings fans to the park and helps right the ship to get the team back to contention. Going into next season, the Mariners know they have a horse who will go out every 5 days and give them the best chance to win.

        Is Jeter or A-Rod’s value only what the Yankees could get for them in a trade? Cause if it is, they’re pretty worthless.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM

        To easports – No it isn’t, but Jeter & ARod have a team around them. Felix doesn’t. He’s been with the team 6 years going on 7 in 2011 and the ship has yet to be “righted” and get into contention. As for drawing fans into the park in the last 3 years the Mariners have yet to draw more then 60% capacity at home (and the % has declined each of those years) and 2 of those years have been Felix’s most productive stat wise. If you believe his greatest value to the Mariners is getting them into contention and getting fans into the ballpark then he has been an abject failure because the Mariners are neither competitive or drawing fans to the ballpark.

  16. jkay123 - Dec 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM

    ufy1950, i think my joke wasn’t very funny. You missed what i was saying, i was being sarcastic since yankee fans get ripped for everything on here and also have 9 articles a day about how we think and want this and that. So i was making a joke how king felix is better than ruth and guidry. I mean look at the title of this article. ..its pretty much YOU KNOW YANKEES FANS ARE NUTS WHEN….a writer who needs to fill an article in his BS paper asks the gm of the mariners about king felix, although the writer isnt part of the yankee organization whatsoever, he has no authority to make trades and isnt the voice of yankee fans. You talk to any yankee fan with knowledge or any baseball fan who talks baseball and the yankees and king felix isnt really mentioned. its complete BS. But yankee fans are nuts bc someone decides to write an article. The whole “i asked my friend at stat page” thing was because thats what they try to back everything up with. A buddy i know at stat charts wrote a great article, if you combine jeters ab’s with arod’s, but subtract all of their xbas hits, ichiro would have more, so who is more valuable?

  17. nyyankeefanforever - Dec 23, 2010 at 11:10 PM

    Well said, jkay123. Sarcasm is lost on sabergeeks. And at the end of the day, let’s face it .. the main reason we wanted Lee was so we woudln’t have to face him for the rest of his effective professional life. I don’t know any real yankee fans who were thrilled about that 7-year deal. Fact is, we’re the only team that played in the ALCS and NLCS to make it back, and came within two games of returning to the Series. And we did it with half our rotation on the injured list. I for one am not worried about missing out on Lee nor do I believe we need another CC-type top of the rotation guy to get just two games better and earn a shot at another ring. That’s not a sense of entitlement folks….that’s reality.

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