Comments on: Congressman doesn’t believe Palmeiro lied

By: Richard In Big D

Richard In Big D — Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:10:21 +0000

Really? If someone spiked his Gatorade, how is that any different than a Rufy in an appletini? The only thing I’m ashamed of is that there are evil people in baseball…

By: quintjs

quintjs — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:57:36 +0000

What a stupid argument, you should be ashamed of yourself.

By: Richard In Big D

Richard In Big D — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:34:41 +0000

Craig, based on the parameters that you have laid forth, if a woman goes to a bar, is slipped a rufie in her drink, then taken home by a dozen guys and has sex several times with each of them, she is not a rape victim, but a slut. Raffy isn’t a slut, and neither, my friend, is the aforementioned woman…

By: quintjs

quintjs — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:49:26 +0000

largebill, it wasn’t perjury in any way. He tested positive after the hearing. So he had never used at the hearing, but upon hearing more information thought it was a fine idea to use performance enancing drugs.

That is why he was never done for perjury, there was no evidence he had taken anything before the hearing, only after.

By: jkcalhoun

jkcalhoun — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:58:40 +0000

I would be interested as to how you can be so confident Palmeiro’s test was not a false positive.

By the Pearlman principle, because we cannot know one way or the other, we can only resort to the worst of our baseless suspicions.

See how simplifying that is?

By: mrfloydpink

mrfloydpink — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:05:01 +0000

I might note, I don’t really care one way about Palmeiro or another. I’m not a fan of him or of any of the teams he played for. However, I do find it frustrating that an otherwise very mathematically- and scientifically-inclined community tends to ignore, or gloss over, or discount this very simple and obvious mathematical and scientific fact. These tests are not perfect, and are going to finger the wrong guy at some point.

By: mrfloydpink

mrfloydpink — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:00:30 +0000

I would be interested as to how you can be so confident Palmeiro’s test was not a false positive. Of course no sportswriter is going to make that suggestion, because he or she would be called an apologist. The only person who could argue a false positive is Palmeiro himself. And perhaps he’s not conversant enough in probability to know that there’s a real chance that happened, or he simply decided it was even less likely to pass muster than the tainted B-12 shot story.

All I know is that if the tests give a false positive once in a hundred times (a conservative number), then even doing two separate tests on two separate samples is going to generate a double false positive (and thus a failed test) 1 in 10,000 times. Looked at from that vantage point, the chances seem minimal (1 in 10,000) that Palmeiro was victimized. However, if we consider that, by now, probably 20,000 tests have been administered, it means that there must be AT LEAST one or two false positives out there (maybe way more, if the test fails at a higher rate). Given how different his response has been from other failures, I don’t think it’s impossible that he might have been the guy.

By: jkcalhoun

jkcalhoun — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:36:31 +0000

Just to be safe, I think we should ceaselessly vilify Palmeiro by all possible means. Because not doing clearly amounts to an exoneration, and we can’t have that, if there’s an iota of a chance he knowingly dipped into the flaxseed oil.

By: BC

BC — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:25:07 +0000

I’d be monumentally shocked if he got more than 25% of the vote.

By: Panda Claus

Panda Claus — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:15:03 +0000

The timing of this report is curious. Probably prepared as a tie-in to the HOF results that are being released today.

Davis’ comments came too late to help Palmeiro this year, but could aid the eventual growth of support over the coming years.

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:01:03 +0000

Interesting point largebill. There is a very good chance that you are right.

By: largebill

largebill — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:52:19 +0000

I’ve been one of very few giving Palmeiro any benefit of doubt. The failure of congress to pursue perjury charges while they did go after others made me wonder if they knew mitigating information about his case.