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So, what would it take for the Angels to trade for Evan Longoria?

Jan 18, 2011, 11:33 AM EDT

Evan Longoria Rays

Sam Miller over at the OC Register is fed up with the same thing I get fed up with from time to time: people proposing truly dumb trades. They usually take the form of a reader suggesting that their rooting interest trade for Stud Player X, while giving up … nothing. Or close to it.  It’s just silly myopia.  Unlike me, however, Sam has decided that he can no longer suffer these fools gladly:

Once a month or so, somebody posts a comment around here suggesting the Angels should trade for Evan Longoria. It’s not just here — at Halos Heaven, HuskerHalo suggested it as “a very nice dream,” and Matt 92310 admitted it’s “perhaps crazy” but wondered “is it unrealistic” that the Angels could trade for him?

I usually think: You’re CRAZY! It would take a package of, like, Mike Trout and Jered Weaver and Hank Conger to get Longoria. Turns out: I’m CRAZY too . It would take even more.

Sam then proceeds to break down exactly how valuable Evan Longoria is and what exactly it would take to land him.  It’s not perfect — there are a lot of assumptions in there — but it’s way closer to the approach a front office would take than the approach all of the armchair GMs out there take.

Instructive stuff for hot stove season.

  1. phillygirl4 - Jan 18, 2011 at 11:41 AM

    Longoria is a class guy and that’s why I hope he does get out of Tampa b/c he deserves to win. If I were him, in this current situation where all their players left in free agency, I’d be sitting in the dugout like Manny holding a “please trade me” sign. But I’m not him so I’m sure he’ll suffer in silence and go down with the ship.

    • seanmk - Jan 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM

      being on the team that has won the division twice in the last 3 years, i find it hard to say his team hasn’t won

    • smorris793 - Jan 18, 2011 at 12:31 PM

      Wait did I miss something? In his current situation he is on one of the top five teams in the league with the 2nd best farm system. He’s probably in a better position to win multiple titles than A-Rod is.

      • RichinNJ - Jan 18, 2011 at 9:04 PM

        Well, Longoria is 10 years younger, and will likely be on another very good team if he ever leaves TB, but over the next five years, I think A-Rod is in a better position to become a multiple WS winner, if only because he has already won one.

    • buddaley - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:44 PM

      This makes no sense. The Rays have won 2 of the last 3 division titles and Longoria has been to the World Series. Despite the panic among many fans and the assumption that the Rays are writing off 2011, they are not doing anything of the sort. Rather they should be right in the thick of the division race in 2011 and for the foreseeable future.

      Please look further than headlines and superficial talk radio chatter before drawing conclusions.

      • florida76 - Jan 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM

        This makes perfect sense, because you have to look at this from Longoria’s perspective. Rays had the miracle year in 2008, when NY and Boston when down at the same time. Crashed back to earth in ’09, only six games over .500 and roughly a dozen games out of the wildcard. Bounced back in ’10, but couldn’t win a single home game in the playoffs.

        2011 will be another .500 season, because of the talent drain no honest Rays fan can ignore. And Boston and New York have and will rearm themselves with far greater resources. Meanwhile, Rays ownership has cut payroll and will likely do so. Attendance was embarrassing the last two seasons and will continue to decline. You’re also playing in a terrible facility with little hope for a new one.Meanwhile, the franchise could relocate by the end of this decade. If you’re Longoria, the idea of playing for a bigger market team with tradition will be very appealing, you can bet on it.

        Prospects are prospects, a few make it, others fail. Yes, the window has officially closed for the Rays in the foreseeable future. Optimism is good, but at some point, reality has to kick in. This discussion reminds me of the talk of the A’s/Twins actually being able to be serious world series contenders. Just check your history, smaller market teams only have a tiny window of opportunity for a world title. Or they can be a longer term winner like Minnesota, but not a serious contender for the world championship.

        Tampa just doesn’t the tradition of home team baseball, just a spring training venue.

  2. Gobias Industries - Jan 18, 2011 at 11:41 AM

    So, are you telling me that my Luis Castillo and Oliver Perez for Albert Pujols trade idea ain’t gonna fly?

    • phukyouk - Jan 18, 2011 at 11:56 AM

      Throw in K-rod and you may have something. i hear he can knock ppl out like its noones business.

    • BC - Jan 18, 2011 at 12:34 PM

      I’d throw in Carlos Beltran and Ike Davis as well. Stick Wright at 1B and Longoria at 3B. Then all we need are…. hmm… 3 more starting pitchers and we might break .500! Woo hoo!

  3. Jonny 5 - Jan 18, 2011 at 11:52 AM

    Wow, it must really suck to write about sports during the off season. Spending that much time on an imaginary scenerio that doesn’t have a fraction of a chance to happen anyway. It was very well done, but the point stands by itself.

    One thing that shocked me about TB though. With all the picks the have coming to them in the draft they are going to have to spend somewhere around 15 million dollars on their draft picks. Wow.

    • Utley's Hair - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:22 PM

      (PSSST!!!! Hey, Jonny. 26 days until Aces and Chooch!!! Pass it on—just don’t let Craig hear it.)

  4. JBerardi - Jan 18, 2011 at 12:02 PM

    There is zero, and I mean ZERO, chance that the Rays trade Longoria. He has the best value contract of any pro player today, and that includes prospects and league-minimum rookies (if you’re wondering how that could be true, just google “Ryan Howard” and “arbitration”). He is THE value player in baseball today; the definition of an untouchable asset.

  5. Utley's Hair - Jan 18, 2011 at 12:17 PM

    So no Pujols for Ryno trade rumors?

  6. BC - Jan 18, 2011 at 12:30 PM

    OK. Tampa is going to trade Longoria? Are they effing high? And if they are, can I have some?
    What the eff are they thinking????!??!?!?!!
    They may as well contract the team if they trade him. He’s their cornerstone.

  7. paperlions - Jan 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM

    Yeah, those kinds of trade scenarios are pretty annoying and common. Why, on this very site someone recently suggested that the Cardinals might opt to trade Matt Holliday (he of the 6.9 WAR, highest among LF in 2010, except for Hamilton who was a LF/CF) to Philly for…Joe Blanton. Yep, trading an All-Star LF to sure up that #5 spot in the rotation would be a steal for the Cardinals.

    • Utley's Hair - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:00 PM

      Blanton’s only a 5er here, since we have the four others. He’d be a 3 or 4 in most other places.

      By the way, hey, Craig!!!

      26 days until Aces and Chooch!!!!!!!

      • paperlions - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM

        …and that would make him worth arguably the games best LF? Besides the fact that he’d be a 5 in StL, too.

      • Utley's Hair - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:50 PM

        I didn’t say that. All I said was the Blanton is better than a 5 in most places. We just happen to have a couple of pitchers ahead of him here. Now…what are their names again…?

      • paperlions - Jan 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM

        None of which has anything to do with anything that has been written here. Who Philly can get for Blanton is not predicated on who else they have on the roster. Unless Philly wants to pay a large portion of his salary, they won’t get anything for Blanton as he is worth only his salary (if that), not something in trade and his salary. In other words, no team is going to pay twice for a guy that isn’t even worth paying for once.

      • Jonny 5 - Jan 18, 2011 at 2:54 PM

        Paperlions is getting far too excited over this. Chilll buddy….. And I’d bet a good stack of money that if he does get traded, it won’t be with a large portion of his salary. Have you seen the market for pitchers dry up to nothing or am I seeing things?

      • Utley's Hair - Jan 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM

        Settle down there, Sparky. You were the one who called him a No. 5. I was just saying he’s a 3 or 4 in other places.

        Besides, Rube has already come out and said he’s good with keeping him here (we’ll see if that happens what with RAJ’s track record with the press and stealthiness—with the obvious exceptions of Heyman and Stark, anyway). I’m good with him sticking around as long as Francisco and Brown pan out. Big Joe’s a nice chip for July (or sooner if necessary). Maybe we can platoon the Roys and Oz in the outfield…?

    • Jonny 5 - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:28 PM

      We can dream can’t we? And that was purely based on the fact that management in St louis more than likely won’t want to carry both of those huge contracts at the same time. Money trumps all dude. Ask Loria. Although the fish are much much cheaper than the cards. But yeah, it was me, and it was just a crazy “imagine if”. And nobody said Blanton is worth Holliday. The fact is he’s wayyyyyyyy less money, and a good pitcher. That’s the premise. Payroll relief.

      • Utley's Hair - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM

        And then, my dream of LA trying to get the Halladay/Holliday thing down comes to fruition. And the new (WTF?!?) Zodiac signs and stars will align….

      • Jonny 5 - Jan 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM

        HAha, He’s an excitable boy, and it’s tough to get these things right when you’re foaming at the mouth UT.

    • Reflex - Jan 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM

      Almost as bad as the Yanks fans who have convinced themselves that one of the top five income teams can’t afford Felix’s contract. And want to deal him for Joba and some chewing gum.

      I just wanna know why they don’t speculate the same way about Verlander or Josh Johnson, both those teams operate under more financial constraints than the M’s. And Verlander is more expensive than Felix and nearly the same level of performance.

  8. andrewkw - Jan 18, 2011 at 1:02 PM

    If they gave the Rays their stadium and absorbed the lease a the trop maybe they’d consider it.

    Plus just think, The LA Angels formerly of Anaheim now of Tampa but really St. Pete.

    • Utley's Hair - Jan 18, 2011 at 3:18 PM

      The CaLAnaheimpa-St. Pete Rayngels?

    • florida76 - Jan 18, 2011 at 9:00 PM

      The lack of tradition is absolutely killing the Rays in terms of getting a stadium, the team just isn’t connected with the community, and you have the Tampa vs. St. Pete battle. Had the team been founded earlier, they may have been able to make the connection, but time is the enemy now.

      The Tampa Bay area was fine for spring training, but having your own team is a different matter. If anything, having a large number of northern transplants with the ability to follow their old teams in spring training hurt the Rays efforts to establish their own identity.

  9. jaypace - Jan 19, 2011 at 2:17 AM

    Phillygirl have you been watching baseball the last few years. The rays have won the al east two of the past three years. And went to the world series. Come on

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