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Great Moments in fact checking the headline

Mar 16, 2011, 9:32 AM EDT

In which, in the space of only a couple of lines, I take a swipe at Tony La Russa and a newspaper <i>and</i> get to have fun with Charlie Manuel anachronisms!

From the Palm Beach Post:


Tony La Russa’s date of birth: October 4, 1944

Charlie Manuel’s date of birth: January 4, 1944

I understand how one may assume that La Russa is the oldest manager in baseball by virtue of him constantly implying that he invented the damn game, but Cholly is older. Both in actual age and in spirit.

I mean, I once interviewed Manuel while sitting in an automat that, on his instructions, I reached by streetcar (“you know, because of the gas rationing, what with the war on and all,” he said to me.).  I tried to go back there the next day but the automat and the streetcar had strangely disappeared.  I tried to call him on the number he gave me — “KLondike 5-3532” — but the number was disconnected.

Weirdest thing.

  1. Professor Longnose - Mar 16, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    Regarding baseball and fact checking, check out this:

  2. The Common Man/ - Mar 16, 2011 at 9:48 AM

    DID he invent the game? Is that what Bud’s new committee is trying to find out?

    • Utley's Hair - Mar 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM

      We already figured this out yesterday. God passed along the rules to baseball on the third tablet—the one that Moses dropped and broke (and Mel Brooks had the forethought to get on film).

  3. Professor Longnose - Mar 16, 2011 at 10:18 AM

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the new committee ruled that Selig invented the game. In Milwaukee, in 1970.

  4. grandslamsingle - Mar 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM

    An interesting tidbit about Cholly:

    – Charlie stopped in the locker room for about 10 minutes to talk about mid-western beers. Apparently during his early days in baseball, he had a night job buying Hamm’s beer for bar patrons around the midwest. “That was a good job,” he said. “Real good.”

    • BC - Mar 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM

      Hamm’s ruled. Do they still make it?
      Stroh’s was good as well until they went national.
      But gimme some Yeungling any day. (Pottsville, PA is sort of midwestern, isn’t it?).

      • grandslamsingle - Mar 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM

        Miller still makes Hamm’s but the distribution is spotty:

      • Utley's Hair - Mar 16, 2011 at 12:27 PM

        Damn, man. Pottsville is just east of midwestern Pennsylvania. But, good news for you—if you drive about an hour southwest of Scranton on your Yuengling run, you can go to the mecca of Vitamin Y and tour the brewery.

      • JB (the original) - Mar 16, 2011 at 3:39 PM

        mmm love me some Yuengling. Toured the Pottsville brewery some years ago. Yup, they still got Hamm’s here in Minnesota, though it’s been relegated to 30 pack cubes I think (at least that’s all I saw it packaged in). Sitting in a stack next to some “Pennsylvania Style” Lager. WTH is that stuff?

      • Utley's Hair - Mar 16, 2011 at 4:59 PM

        Anything with “style” in the name—as opposed to description—can’t be a good thing.

  5. BC - Mar 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    I think Leyland is older than them both. Anyone???

    • yankeesfanlen - Mar 16, 2011 at 11:13 AM

      Jim Leyland Dec 15, 1944. The three musketeers?

      • Utley's Hair - Mar 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM

        In BC’s defense, that’s an easy mistake to make, since he aged about 10 years for every one he spent in Pittsburgh.

    • yankeesfanlen - Mar 16, 2011 at 11:21 AM

      And actually, since we’re doing time travel today, the number given Craig would not be authentic- It would have been KLondike 3532, for the most part 7 number dialing was not put into use until the 50’s, when the world was going to hell in a handbasket anyway with these goldarn new-fangled inventions.
      Give me a bakelight phone anyway, they last even if you do shoot the internet through them.

      • cur68 - Mar 16, 2011 at 12:12 PM

        Ok, everyone: do not cross Len. He knows more than you, he can see you and he will kick the crap out of you. He is, Jack Bauer; the most dangerous man in the world. Seriously Len, how in hell would you know that and what in tarnation is ‘bakelight’? Anything like the stuff doughnuts are made of, because I don’t see how that’ll work.

      • yankeesfanlen - Mar 16, 2011 at 12:59 PM

        Bakelite (spelled it wrong at first to throw you off the track) was an early plastic used for heat resistance and durability. Rotary phones were made from it which is why it also could serve as a sledgehammer as needed.
        It no longer has economical reasons for use, except in some arnaments.
        More to the issue of this post, Joe Torre was older than the three above during his last year with the Yankees, and obviously through his stewardship of the Los Angeles Trolley Dodgers.

      • Utley's Hair - Mar 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM

        Cliff Claven? Is that you?

      • yankeesfanlen - Mar 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM

        Just as long as the Final Jeopardy! catagory isn’t “Post Office”

      • cur68 - Mar 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM

        “It no longer has economical reasons for use, except in some arnaments.”

        So, uh, you mean guns that can shoot doughnut dough? So, like in a “splurge” gun from that movie with Ferris Bueller playing Bugsy Malone? Jeez, is that what you hunt guys down with? Killed by a pastry gun; probably not a bad way to go, I suppose.

  6. bcopus - Mar 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM

    The wording they used for that headline is horrendous. It took me a few reads to realize they aren’t saying that he is both a) the oldest manager and b) better than some managers who are older

    Which would be a serious crime against logic…

  7. sdelmonte - Mar 16, 2011 at 11:10 AM

    Chollie is eagerly awaiting the autogyro from Prussia to Siam, even as we speak.

  8. Jonny 5 - Mar 16, 2011 at 12:58 PM

    Chollie thinks ya oughta not git a bee in yer bonnet over this one.. He’s been around for longer than carter had liver pills, and he knows derned well that Larussa is cross as a bear and crooked as a snake, and maybe even crazier than a bessie bug, but he ain’t no older than Chollie is.

  9. woodenulykteneau - Mar 16, 2011 at 5:59 PM

    Of course, everyone’s assuming “baseball” means MLB only, which is wrong. I strongly suspect there’s another manager somewhere older than 67. Wayne Terwilliger, for example, was managing the Fort Worth Cats as recently as 2005 and he turns 86 in June (he’s still the team’s first-base coach). Doc Edwards was the manager of the San Angelo Colts last year at the age of 73.

    This is just poor copy editing.

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