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Chase Utley is visiting with a “rehabilitation specialist” today

Mar 17, 2011, 2:16 PM EDT


General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. revealed that Chase Utley and Phillies trainer Scott Sheridan are spending today visiting with a “rehabilitation specialist.”

Amaro declined to give any other details, but told Jim Salisbury of that Utley and the Phillies are “trying to exhaust all ways not to have surgery” for the patellar tendinitis in the second baseman’s right knee.

Utley has not been cleared to do any running or fielding, and Salisbury writes that his chances of being ready for Opening Day are “extremely remote.”

  1. dmccarrie - Mar 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM

    ….and comment regarding how screwed the Phillies offense is in: 3, 2,1…..

    • Utley's Hair - Mar 17, 2011 at 2:43 PM

      seeingwhatsticks is currently formulating a response that objects to the obvious sleight to the Giants and their best-ever-in-the-history-of-baseball-and-rounders team.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 18, 2011 at 8:56 AM

        Hilarious…especially since it is proven to be correct later in the thread. Good job, UH. Now crawl under that skull and tell him to GET THE SURGERY and we’ll see him in the everyday lineup in September.

  2. cur68 - Mar 17, 2011 at 3:06 PM

    Seriously, are we being told exactly what’s up with this knee? What in blue blazes is surgery going to do for inflammation? Also, is this patellar tendonitis (the precursor to tendonopathy = jumper’s knee) or chondromalacia (runner’s knee) because these are 2 different beasts and we’ve been told first it was tendonitis and then it was chondromalacia and now we’re off to see the cutter for tendonitis again. He may well have BOTH conditions but unless there is tendonopathy, debris, a spur, cartilage damage, or a gnome in there I do not see what a surgeon will do for him except make the healing process take more time. If he does have full blown tendonopathy surgery is a LAST resort (usually a lateral tendon release procedure which can be very successful) but you can say goodbye to Chase for the forseeable. For plain tendonitis and chondromalacia; both conditions are about 6 weeks of re-hab, no surgery recommended unless actual damage needs attending to. About the only useful thing a surgeon could do is inject lubricant under that knee cap but that treats chondromalacia (runner’s knee) NOT patellar tendonitis (jumper’s knee) as far as I know.

    • Utley's Hair - Mar 17, 2011 at 3:24 PM

      Lubricant? So now we’re back to Chase having chlamyd-knee-a?

      • cur68 - Mar 17, 2011 at 3:49 PM

        Bugger me dead Mr. Hair but I have no friggin idea what is going on with this dude’s friggin knee joint anymore. All actions by your team’s trainers and physicians seem to be be aimed around injecting your boy or cutting him or feeding him mashed pigeon droppings with oil of Brittany Spears at midnight on a full moon or some crazy a$$ thing. There could be 1 or 2 things going on here;
        1) they are not disclosing how bad things are with that knee.
        2) they are in a panic and have bought into the notion that surgery is the only option

        If it’s 1 then we need a journalist who has a stake in getting to the bottom of this to put on his serge cape and fedora and find out. Craig.
        If it’s 2 then they are not the first group of people to put an inordinate amount of faith in surgeons when the patient needs tincture of time.
        If it’s both, then Jeez Laweez, that young man is screwed.

        Lubricant under an inflamed kneecap (a relatively common treatment for chondromalacia) is a simple enough procedure and unless you are Ron Gardenhire you don’t need to fire it through the internet but you should probably stop putting out there that your boy has a condition which doesn’t require it (they’ve reported you see that he’s seeing a surgeon for patellar tendonitis).

      • Mr. Jason "El Bravo" Heyward - Mar 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

        I couldn’t read your comments, b/c they’re too long and I’m too lazy. I got the gist though. Bugger. Dead. Lubricant. Got it.

      • cur68 - Mar 17, 2011 at 5:02 PM

        El Bravo; I made a pretty good reference to pigeon droppings and oil of Brittany Spears, too. My best work goes unappreciated, alas…

      • Utley's Hair - Mar 17, 2011 at 5:13 PM

        I was going to let it pass, but I feel I must say something now that you’ve repeated yourself.

        Oil of Britney Spears could give you to all manner of nasty conditions and diseases—more so than pigeon droppings. So if they’re using that as the lubricant, they might just want to fit him for a casket.

        And Heyward, you speak just like an apathetic Bravos fan. But I get the feeling you’re going to make a Britney Spears oil and pigeon dropping pie for tonight, aren’t you?

  3. seeingwhatsticks - Mar 17, 2011 at 3:17 PM

    If this is just tendinitis what exactly are the surgical options anyway?

    I would never say the Giants are the best-ever-in-the-history-of-baseball-and-rounders team. That title clearly belongs to this one-time-champion Phillies dynasty, with or without their best position player.

    • xmatt0926x - Mar 17, 2011 at 3:45 PM

      Any Phillies fan calling the current core a dynasty are way wrong until they win another title or two which can never be counted on and will likely not happen. However, you need to realize that the Giants title needed as much good fortune as that 2008 Phillies team did. Vegas doesn’t make billions by being stupid. There’s a reason the Giants aren’t close to being favored to repeat. That doesn’t mean they won’t but you need to realize that your team isn’t any more the ’27 Yankees then the Phillies are. These are both teams that will need the breaks and to be blazing hot just at the right time to win it all again. Unless you really think Cosy Ross will be Albert Pujols for you again in October.Or that the opposing team will have a career minor leaguer hand you the series like the Braves did. Based on that do yourself a favor and try to enjoy the season instead of ranting on every non-Giants post on hardballtalk.

      • seeingwhatsticks - Mar 17, 2011 at 3:56 PM

        A. I’ve never said the Giants are a dynasty, or will be a dynasty.

        B. You clearly don’t understand how Vegas works if you think that they are predicting who they think will win when they post odds. Odds are based on who they think people will bet on, not who they think will win. The Phillies have the lowest odds because they think the most people will bet on them and lowering the odds is their way of discouraging that. Likewise a team like the Pirates will have the highest odds because they want to encourage people to take a chance on them. Vegas makes money by getting equal betting on all sides, not by being “right” about who is going to win.

      • cur68 - Mar 17, 2011 at 4:00 PM

        Sticky; I am not getting into the middle of a Philthy vs Gnats debate. I detest both teams equally (not really, but I like to be even handed in my abuse). Regarding tendonitis, in particular patellar tendonitis; there are no surgical interventions for inflammation, really (some will argue for a lateral patellar tendon release procedure but I swear those guys are all knife happy; there is little evidence to suggest its any better than simple time and rehab and it exposes your patient to all kinds of risks). The ONLY TIME surgery is suggested for this kind of thing barring debris, spurs, cartilage tears, or little green men in the knee (none of which they are copping to) is when its tendonopathy (degeneration of the tendon itself). And even THAT is a last resort. I am baffled by why they seem bent on surgery for tendonitis.

      • seeingwhatsticks - Mar 17, 2011 at 4:07 PM

        I’m with you cur, I don’t get what they are trying to do. Tendinitis is a chronic problem, similar to arthritis. There are things you can do to minimize the impact but you can’t “cure” it completely unless there’s an underlying problem creating the tendinitis. In this case, if they are aware of the underlying problem they are certainly not sharing it (and if they were aware of it you’d think they would have just done the procedure to fix it weeks/months ago).

      • seeingwhatsticks - Mar 17, 2011 at 4:11 PM

        Actually there is one reason they would not address the underlying problem, assuming there is one and they are aware of what it is: the procedure to address that problem would be season ending and/or career threatening.

      • cur68 - Mar 17, 2011 at 4:15 PM

        Now see, I think you’ve said something, there Sticky. That would be a story worth breaking and would explain all this running to the cutter. Everything else just donna maka no sense…

  4. joepags - Mar 18, 2011 at 8:07 AM

    he had this problem during off season workouts, but never contacted phils training staff….i dont know why he always does this, just go get the surgery, come back in late july and be ready to go for october. just doing nothing and waiting isnt a gaurentee itsa going to go away, the surgery is. as much as i like chase, he annoys me sometimes. phils will still win 103 games.

  5. Chris Fiorentino - Mar 18, 2011 at 8:55 AM

    I just don’t get why they don’t get the surgery, let him rehab the next 5 months, and get him back WHEN THEY FREAKING NEED HIM in September for the playoffs. With this staff, and the overall suckitude of the NL Least, they Phillies could win the division by 5 games with their AAA lineup.

  6. cooptroop08 - Mar 18, 2011 at 10:46 AM

    just because he gets surgery doesnt mean he’ll be back for the playoffs. they could end up doing more damage to his knee through surgery. I just hope we get Chase back and he’s able to play up to his usual standard… whenever that may be.

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