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Curt Schilling tweets, calls Manny Ramirez a cheater

Mar 19, 2011, 8:48 PM EST

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Answering questions on Twitter Saturday, Curt Schilling said that Manny Ramirez and Barry Bonds were the best hitters he encountered during his time on the mound, but that some artificial enhancement might have helped with that.

From Schilling’s @gehrig38 account:

Best modern day hitter, Manny RH Barry LH when they cheated, Gonzo LH Pujols RH of non cheaters

It’s safe to assume the Gonzalez he’s referring to is former teammate Luis Gonzalez, a player who certainly belongs in the suspicious category when it comes to steroid use. Gonzalez never hit more than 15 homers in a season until age 30. At 33, he busted out with 57 homers, a total he never approached in any other season.

Of course, Gonzalez seems like a pretty ridiculous choice even assuming that he was clean. Of left-handed batters with at least 3,000 plate appearances since 1990, he ranks 42nd with a 118 OPS+. Jim Thome, Ken Griffey Jr. and Todd Helton are just a few of the guys that blow him out of the water.

It’s also worth noting that cheating or no, Ramirez isn’t quite in Pujols’ league as a hitter. Their best seasons match up pretty well, but Pujols’ incredible consistency can’t be beat.

Other notes from Schilling:

Best gamer, videos, teammate = Pedroia, Toughest out (runner 3rd less than 2 outs?) Gwynn, Nomar = not what I expected,
Varitek, Tommy Greene hardest workers, Mirabelli, Kevin Jordan favorite teammates, San Diego favorite city to travel if I wasn’t pitching
  1. bloodysock - Mar 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM

    As boisterous and as much as a perceived (or not) blow hard he was during his playing days, he was never one to throw a player or teammate under the bus, though his strong dislike for Bonds was well known. I’m surprised he’s taken to this platform at this time to be critical of several former teammates and more suprised he thinks Luis was clean, especially considering he hit his 57 in the same season Bonds hit his 73.

    • jasonforb - Mar 19, 2011 at 10:26 PM

      Scott Williamson?

  2. grapes911 - Mar 19, 2011 at 9:52 PM

    He used to throw Mitch Williams under the bus daily. Well, at least once every five days anyway.

  3. seeingwhatsticks - Mar 19, 2011 at 10:03 PM

    So when does Schilling give his rings back?

  4. Kevin S. - Mar 19, 2011 at 10:21 PM

    Why is it safe to assume he’s talking about Luis, not Adrian? He says “best modern day,” not “best while I pitched.”

  5. xmatt0926x - Mar 19, 2011 at 11:01 PM

    Ol’ red light Schilling is back at it again. You’ll never hear a name that gets so many eye rolls from ex-teammates than Curt Schilling. Loved him when he pitched for my team but it was easy to see over the years why his teammates couldn’t stand him. Ex-Phils GM Ed Wade said it best. “He’s a horse when he’s on the mound and a horses ass every other day” . He’s just a total attention whore and we will be hearing from him until the day he dies.

  6. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Mar 19, 2011 at 11:20 PM

    I think he means Alex Gonzalez. They were teammates in Boston, right?

    If I ever understand what Schilling is talking about, it means my brain is functioning like his. In that case, please shoot me in the head.

    Not for nothing, Schilling pitched awfully well when he was into the age where a player could use a little help. I of course don’t have any evidence he used, but given his teammates behavior, I would not be even mildly surprised either.

    • Utley's Hair - Mar 20, 2011 at 12:13 AM

      So…does tweeting ease the need for a twit who loves the sound of his own voice?

      And bloodysock, he threw Mitchypoo under whatevr bus, plane, train or automobile that he could find. Granted, it may have been warranted at times, but a lot of times Schilling was quite often someone you had to endure in the clubhouse. He was very good, but he was much better in his own mind.

      • schmedley69 - Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM

        Ed Wade had a great quote about Schilling: “Every 5th day he’s our horse, and every other day he’s our horse’s a$$.”

  7. pisano - Mar 20, 2011 at 12:28 AM

    It’s no wonder all his teammates hated him.He’s like the kid in class that snitched on everyone in order to kiss the teachers ass.

    • paperlions - Mar 20, 2011 at 9:05 AM

      I don’t think it was that, exactly…..it was more like he didn’t let the facts get in the way of his own reality, which he was all too willing to share with you.

  8. stairwayto7 - Mar 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Gonzo non cheater? The guy hit 54 hrs in 01 and never hit more than 30 in any pther year! ROIS USER BIG TIME!

    • paperlions - Mar 20, 2011 at 1:37 PM

      Roger Maris hit 61 HR in 61 and never hit more than 39 in any other year.
      .
      George Foster hit 52 and 40 in 77 and 78, and never hit more than 30 in any other year.
      .
      They are called outliers and they are indicative of chance, not of cheating….unless you really are dumb enough to think that Gonzalez decided to cheat one year and then decided it wasn’t fun hitting 50+ HRs and he stopped.

  9. schmedley69 - Mar 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    I remember seeing an interview with Gonzo right after Schilling signed with Boston, and they asked him if the D-Backs would miss Schilling, and he said “we’ll miss him on the day he pitches.” I get the feeling that Schilling was never too popular with his teammates.

  10. Old Gator - Mar 20, 2011 at 12:14 PM

    He’s a right-wing dummy with a big mouth. Politics awaits, and the Tea Party is hiring.

  11. yahmule - Mar 20, 2011 at 1:21 PM

    When he was in Arizona, he wanted to avoid pitching against divisional rivals in spring training games so they wouldn’t get a look at him before their regular season encounters. Obviously, Curt didn’t care if the lesser pitchers on the staff were well scouted. What a great attitude from the guy who is supposed to be the ace of the staff. He also wanted to pitch with the dome closed, even on nice days because he thought the ball carried better when it was open. Diamondbacks management just ignored him.

    • sjhusak - Mar 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM

      yahmule, you are wrong about the dome. It was in his contract for the dome to be closed when he pitched because his wife is a skin cancer survivor and he wanted her to be able to attend the games when he pitch…yuck, I cannot believe I am defending the jerk…clearly on the list of the all time worst teammates!

  12. schlom - Mar 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM

    I think he has to be talking about Adrian Gonzalez there. No way could he be talking about Luis Gonzalez. I’m surprised that people are saying this is a particularly controversial statement as the first part (about the steroids users) is certainly true – Manny and Barry used steroids and were the best RH and LH hitters.

  13. PanchoHerreraFanClub - Mar 20, 2011 at 6:30 PM

    Say what you want, but all that juicing that Schilling did helped to rot his brain.

  14. wilcymoore - Mar 20, 2011 at 6:46 PM

    You have to wonder if Schilling realizes that 2 of the relief pitchers with whom he shares championship rings were “cheaters,” one known and outed and one unknown simply because of timing and luck. There is sufficient “anecdotal or cicumstancial” evidence to strongly suggest that Schilling’s closer, Keith Foulke, in 2004 was a “cheater” and that his teammate in 2007, Eric Gagne. In the case of the former, he was “likely” using at the time while the latter had stopped based on what had happened in terms of testing and sanctions. By mentioning Manny, Schilling perhaps does not realize that he is in fact tainting his team’s first championship in 86 years and it quite likely that Ramirez would be joined by a number of other players on his team as well as others who tested positive in 2003 and whose names are yet to be “leaked.”

  15. jamie54 - Mar 20, 2011 at 7:07 PM

    Of course he was talking about ADRIAN Gonzalez. Not hard to figure out since Pujols is a current player, rightie, he went with current player, lefty, Gonzalez. DUHHHHHHH. Dummies.

  16. trevorb06 - Mar 21, 2011 at 9:40 AM

    ‘Gonzalez never hit more than 15 homers in a season until age 30. At 33, he busted out with 57 homers, a total he never approached in any other season.’

    So Matthew based on this you much also think it’s suspicious that Bautista hit all them dingers last season. It’s people like you that keep guys like Bagwell out of the HOF. Suspicious without proof certainly shouldn’t hold as much weight as it does.

  17. sjhusak - Mar 21, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    Let’s not forget there are plenty of admitted cheaters in baseball’s HOF. First to come to mind is Gaylord Perry. he even pretended to throw spitters at times when he wasn’t just to get in a hitter’s head.

    For what it’s worth, how can any player that was not caught using steroids after 2003 be kept out of the HOF? How many guys in there today took greenies? Isn’t it a medical enhancement to get Lasik when it wasn’t available to players of earlier times? Should we still count a pitcher’s victories after Tommy John surgery when so many great pitchers never achieved a large enough body of work in the past because they didn’t have such surgery available? It goes beyond simply “cheating”, because if it isn’t against the rules of the game at the time it was done, it wasn’t cheating?

    Was it against laws outside of baseball? Should that be the determining factor? In that case what about innocence until proven guilty in a court of law? OK, isn’t assault with a deadly weapon also illegal? So throwing at a batter to move him off the plate should also mean a player cannot enter the HOF?

  18. chortlz - Mar 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM

    I loved Curt on my team but I also recognized that he will always be a loose cannon.

    In 1996, Brady Anderson, a 32-year-old, career .250-hitter, with 72 home runs to his name, hit 50 in one season. Steroids? Oh yeah! He is the ultimate steroids aberration.

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