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Matt Holliday may not need DL stint for appendectomy

Apr 2, 2011, 3:22 PM EST

Matt Holliday

UPDATE: Finally, some good news for the Cardinals. Well, maybe.

According to the Associated Press, the Cardinals plan to wait a few days before deciding whether to place Matt Holliday on the disabled list following his appendectomy. He had the surgery yesterday and the Cardinals believe it’s possible that he could return before the end of a 15-day DL-stint.

Even if he needs to go on the disabled list, it sounds like he won’t need to miss 4-6 weeks, which is a very good thing.

Friday, 2:19 PM: I’m starting to think this just isn’t the Cardinals year. Either that or Drew didn’t pray hard enough while he was at baseball church in St. Louis yesterday.

Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post Dispatch reports that Cardinals left fielder Matt Holliday will undergo an appendectomy today and the recovery timetable is usually 4-6 weeks until “strenuous activity” is allowed, although Andres Torres of the Giants returned much sooner than that last year.

To replace Holliday, who hit a homer in yesterday’s loss to the Padres, the Cardinals will turn to some combination of Jon Jay and Allen Craig, perhaps in a platoon with the left-handed-hitting Jay getting the bulk of the starts.

Replacing the lost production, however, will be nearly impossible, as Holliday hit .317 with 28 homers and a .922 OPS last year in his first full season in St. Louis, ranking among the NL’s top 10 in batting average, on-base percentage, and slugging percentage.

St. Louis is already without ace Adam Wainwright, who underwent season-ending Tommy John elbow surgery in early March.

  1. lanflfan - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:25 PM

    Wow, this year starting off really bad for the Redbirds. Could make for an interesting trade deadline if they fall way out and put Pujols on the block.

    • spudchukar - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM

      For the second millionth time, he has a no trade clause and cannot be traded without his permission, which he has no interest in waiving.

      • lanflfan - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:38 PM

        Right now, a lot can happen in three months. And, are you privy to Pujols inner thoughts?

      • spudchukar - Apr 1, 2011 at 4:23 PM

        Why would he opt out of the no trade contract, when as a free agent he can choose his future residence. Plus he doesn’t want to leave and the Cards certainly have no interest in trading him. It makes no sense.

      • baseballisboring - Apr 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

        I highly doubt he gets traded. I’m not too high on the Cardinals in general, but losing Holliday for a month isn’t a death sentence. I don’t think they’re gonna fall so far out of it that it’s gonna make them wanna trade their iconic star player and deal with the resulting PR nightmare. I mean, they do still want to sign him…

      • paperlions - Apr 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM

        Of course, Pujols won’t waive his no trade clause…to do so essentially removes the Cardinals as an option for 2012 and beyond. If he says, “yeah, trade me”, then they won’t be bidding to resign him and the fans won’t be clamoring for the club to do so.
        .
        There is also the fact that he actually loves playing for the Cardinals. I know it is hard for fans of teams that are full of mercenaries to understand, but there are some players that want to win on the team they are on…and have no interest in being traded to whomever is making a run at the playoffs or to whichever team has the biggest payroll.

      • elmaquino - Apr 1, 2011 at 11:36 PM

        he said himself he would shoot down any trade:

        http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/29/albert-pujols-would-veto-any-trade/

  2. sportsdrenched - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM

    Ouch.

  3. cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM

    They never had a chance anyway. I have been saying for at least two years that their biggest problem is that they don’t have a closer. This was highlighted yesterday after that miserable performance by the guy TLR wants to call a closer. when Wainwright went down, that lost if for them in 2011. Now Holliday is just more icing on the cake for the Central Division. It looks like now, they will be fighting Pittsburgh for last place. Wait until next year.

  4. sportsdrenched - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:33 PM

    Not that the GM would help with injuries. But what led Walt Jockety to leaving the Cards for the Reds?

    I see the Cardinals as being in decline, and the Reds on the rise since he left. I would think Cards Fans will miss/are missing him.

    • cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:48 PM

      I disagree with the assertion that the GM doesn’t count. Just after two years here, Walt brought us a division title. Maybe this year, it will be more. What I know is that over 50 years, the Cardinal rejects have brought us great teams.Maybe before your time, but the birds let Bob Housam go. He came to Cinti. to build the Big Red Machine. He got the Cardinals to let go good players (Tolen for one), and the Reds profited. Now Walt was let go for some stupid reason, and he is bringing in here, some of the guys who made the Cardinals champs. Rolen is the biggest name.

      The GM counts big time, even with a loser manager like Baker, we are going to be in contention.

      • sportsdrenched - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:10 PM

        Let me clarify. I think the GM is the most important part of a baseball team. But It doesn’t matter who the GM is, injuries happen. The type of stuff going on with the Cards could have struck while Jockety was GM.

    • paperlions - Apr 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

      Jocketty is getting credit for the previous GMs work and for the work of the scouting/drafting depts before he arrived. The rise of the Reds has everything to do with young players and little to do with anything Jocketty has done so far.
      .
      Rolen came to the Reds from Toronto, not StL. Rolen was traded to Toronto because he couldn’t get along with LaRussa.
      .
      Jocketty was successful with the Cardinals when the Cardinals had one of the highest payrolls. He’s okay, but there isn’t anything special about his baseball knowledge or insights. He totally killed the Cardinals minor league system when he was there and got pissed when they told him they were going to take away his player development oversight (at which he sucked). Sadly, now they just trade away every prospect because LaRussa whines that they need some scrappy veteran or crafty 5th starter.

  5. icanspeel - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:44 PM

    Bad loss for the Cardinals, good thing the season has 161 more games to go.. 4-6 weeks isn’t as bad when you put it in perspective with the whole season.

    • cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:54 PM

      Seriously, I think you are dreaming. It is good to keep optimistic, but we can be critical on the blogs. I don’t think you have a chance of doing much. You may not even win half of your games. I really feel that the birds and the Pirates will be fighting to stay out of last place in a weak division. We have our problems in Cinti, but we don’t have large unfilled holes you guys seem to have, especially on the mound.

      • thatssotaguchi1 - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:57 PM

        Those Astros are a house of fire.

  6. thatssotaguchi1 - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:49 PM

    Jocketty left because he felt undermined by and sort of lost a power struggle with Lujhnow over Bill Dewitt’s ear.

    This happening on April Fool’s day enrages me.

    Closer would be like ninth on the Cardinals biggest problems of the last two years list. GTFO of here with that nonsense.

    • cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:57 PM

      Get a clue. You have NO CLOSER. The guy pitched here for a time, and we got rid of him. He was a starter (a poor one). He will blow 15 or more saves this year if given the chance. TAKE IT TO THE BANK! Sorry for the bad news, but you have already lost.

      • thatssotaguchi1 - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

        My clue, such as it was, was the contention that the biggest problem the team had the last two years was the lack of a closer. This is factually incorrect. I seriously doubt thats any teams biggest problem because if your biggest problem is who pitches 70 innings a season you must be a fucking juggernaut. Also, I find your apology disingenuous and your body odor repugnant.

      • Ari Collins - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:29 PM

        Yeah, the Cardinals have never won a World Series with a shaky closer. Why, there was that one year that Jason Isringhausen walked 6 batters per 9 IP and had a WHIP of 1.46. What year was that? 2006? They definitely didn’t win THAT year, so you are correct.

        Having Wainwright gone for the year and Holliday gone for the month are big blows. Having Ryan Franklin as a closer is not.

      • spudchukar - Apr 1, 2011 at 4:09 PM

        While I do not believe Franklin is anything special, I would still prefer him to Cordero. I was kinda hoping this was a cruel April Fools Day HardballTalk joke. The 4-6 weeks seems a little harsh. I am pretty sure athletes have come back sooner than that in the past.

  7. sdelmonte - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:54 PM

    I’ll see your Bay and raise you a Holliday?

    • cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

      Hey, now don’t compare Bay and Holliday. There is no comparison. Holliday is a genuine star, and Bay was a flash in the pan.

      • sdelmonte - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:07 PM

        I mean in terms of opening week injuries to high priced players on disappointing teams.

  8. stevens - Apr 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

    April Fools?

  9. BC - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM

    Well, my NL Wild Card pick is looking good, huh….?

    • Panda Claus - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM

      See BC, this is why I never make my picks until May.

      Now if St. Louis can somehow right the ship and recover from early season setbacks, then Tony L. really is a genius.

  10. cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:10 PM

    TO:
    thatssotaguchi1 – Apr 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM
    That’s right Taguchi: when you lose an argument, resort to name calling. It shows your brilliance. How many games did this loser you call a closer blow last year? At least ten or more I would guess, and I don’t have to look it up.

  11. cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM

    One more comment, and I will let ole Taguchi alone. If the Bozo you call a closer (who had nothing to do with losing games because he only pitches 70 innings), would have blown just HALF of the games he did last year,THE CARDINALS WOULD HAVE WON THE DIVISION! Now tell me a closer doesn’t count.

    • rustystubz - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM

      Not to muddle your argument with actual stats, but last year Franklin was 27 out of 32 in save opportunities for an 84% conversion rate. While Cordero for your precious Reds was 40 out of 48 for 83%. So, umm, Cordero blew more saves and converted them at a slightly less efficient rate.

      Darn those silly little things called facts.

      • rustystubz - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:29 PM

        Oh, and Cordero had 5 losses to Franklin’s 2 last year. So there is that as well.

      • rustystubz - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:33 PM

        and i’m an idiot. actually franklin only blew 2 saves last year. so the numbers are even better.

      • jwbiii - Apr 1, 2011 at 5:11 PM

        And the Cardinals won one of those games.

  12. thatssotaguchi1 - Apr 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM

    I’m still trying to determine where I called somebody a name or lost an argument.

  13. spudchukar - Apr 1, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    Cintiphil, this is your day. Fools Day. As has been stated above, your closer, who was shelved in the latter part of the season, due to ineffectiveness, was much less successful in 2010. I know this winning thing is new to you, but your aura of invincibility, and bold overconfidence is a reflection of your new found success. If I remember correctly you managed only 6 wins in 18 outings against the team you are quick to denigrate in 2010.
    You have a young talented team, but a starting staff that is currently a mess. I hope your Reds play with the same degree of self-importance. After a sole divisional championship, and then quick post-season exit, one would hope your collective heads wouldn’t swell so significantly. But alas, that seems not to be the case. As I have mentioned before; Nouveau Riche.

  14. king3319 - Apr 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

    The cards are in bad shape no question…but it’s only April!!! All the comments have good points, but let’s not forget the cards play in a weaker division. The Pirates won’t do much, the Cubs aren’t a scary team. The only team left is the Reds and all the birds have to do is stay within striking distance and hope a couple players step up for a short time. The Cardinals are by no means dead in the water. They have question marks sure but plenty of teams have the same problem.

  15. cintiphil - Apr 1, 2011 at 7:11 PM

    Your facts are wrong. Cordero had just about the worst season of his career last year. We know he was a drag last year on this team, but he was bolstered by some young rookies who surprisingly had great first years, and by Arthur Rhodes. Franklin blew at least 5 games in September. He was in over 59 games and had 27 saves. What happened to the other games? Your comment that Franklin had only 32 opportunities is not true. What about the other games he appeared in? Did he start some games? How about the games he came in with the score tied and he lost? Do they count?

    Sorry, you are going to lose the season to the Reds and almost every other central division team this year. The birds need pitching!

    • spudchukar - Apr 1, 2011 at 9:39 PM

      I don’t know which is more troubling. The notion that your hyperbole can easily be discounted by a quick check at a variety of data base sites, or your fundamental lack of comprehension of simple baseball statistics. You have a proud heritage in Cincinnati, and I know you are not representative of the knowledgeable fans there, but if the last post isn’t embarrassing to you it certainly is to the many historically intelligent Reds fans who cringe when they consider you are representative of their collective thoughts.

    • Ari Collins - Apr 1, 2011 at 10:00 PM

      Dude, this aren’t complicated statistics. This is basic stats you can get on mlb.com.

      No, he did not start any games, but the reason he had so many more games than saves isn’t because he blew games, but because the team did not have that many save opportunities. That often happens – a save opportunity only happens under very specific circumstances (it’s really a very convoluted statistic – enter with fewer than 4 runs ahead, unless there are men on base, in which case the number of runs to be ahead by to generate a save opportunity increases by the number of men on base, OR you can pitch the last three innings with any size lead, though that rarely happens), and some teams simply happen to generate more opportunities than others.

      He took only two losses on the season. So he wasn’t coming into tie situations and blowing them.ether.

      Only twice did he blow a save last year. Only twice did he enter the game with a lead and give that lead up. And only one of those led to a Cardinal loss; they came back to win the other.

      I’m sorry that the facts contradict your anecdotal memory of what happened, but that’s often the case. That’s why we count things. So that when your memory tells you that he blew “at least 5 games in September,” you can then look at those games and realize that it’s simply not true. Memory lies, but unless every single person who watched those games and wrote down what happened were wrong, the record of what happened does not lie.

      • Ari Collins - Apr 1, 2011 at 10:02 PM

        I should add that teams that don’t win that many games overall are, of course, even less likely to generate a save opportunity. The Cards only won 5 more games than a .500 team last year. (Why people call that “ten games over .500″ instead of “5 games over .500″ has always baffled me.)

      • jwbiii - Apr 3, 2011 at 1:51 AM

        OR you can pitch the last three innings with any size lead, though that rarely happens

        This one is my favorite.

  16. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 1, 2011 at 11:40 PM

    They don’t have to be great, just better than the rest of the NL Central, and that includes the Astros and Pirates. The bar is pretty low here folks…

  17. cintiphil - Apr 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM

    OK Redbird fans.. I am wrong and you are right. He has one blown save in one appearance. Start counting now. If this guy is allowed to pitch in more save opportunities, he will blow at least 10-15 games this year. And, if he comes in at the bottom of the ninth with the score tied, and losses, that is a blown save too! Talk is cheap, and the season is young. Lets see who is right in September. Personally, I would like to see him given more save opportunities. That means you lose more games.

    The only thing the Reds have to fear is Milwaukee, not your team.

    • Ari Collins - Apr 2, 2011 at 10:49 AM

      Dude, you are just vastly overstating how many times a closer can even blow a game. Go look up BSs and Ls here: http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/leaders.jsp?statType=2&timeFrame=3&timeSubFrame2=4&sortByStat=SVO&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=4 That’s the pitchers with the most save opportunities ever, and you can see that even the worst don’t have THAT many blown saves or losses.

      I’ll take the bet that Ryan Franklin won’t be Danny Graves or Jose Lima bad.

    • miket5 - Apr 2, 2011 at 6:14 PM

      I have seen some pretty stupid comments and commenters on here but cintphil you take the cake. Im not a cardinals fan but the stuff you were posting doesnt make any sense. Have you ever even seen a baseball game?

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