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	<title>Comments on: The NCAA may rethink their preposterous rules regarding amateurs and agents</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, okay.  Gotcha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, okay.  Gotcha.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah, we need him for the iron work. Don&#039;t wanna ruin his hands on the keyboard. RSI is a mo-fo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, we need him for the iron work. Don&#8217;t wanna ruin his hands on the keyboard. RSI is a mo-fo.</p>
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		<title>By: heynerdlinger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heynerdlinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not at all. My point is that these are adults being put into this situation by the NCAA. The idea that they need protection from professional scouts, agents, teams, etc. is ridiculous when you consider that these &quot;kids&quot; would be considered legally capable of making their own decisions in any any other context. (Except at a bar, of course.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all. My point is that these are adults being put into this situation by the NCAA. The idea that they need protection from professional scouts, agents, teams, etc. is ridiculous when you consider that these &#8220;kids&#8221; would be considered legally capable of making their own decisions in any any other context. (Except at a bar, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: ta192</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ta192]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kidding? Right?  We got the Gator...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kidding? Right?  We got the Gator&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, we got a plan then. I like the Blackwater guys involved. Any good revolutionary enterprise needs incompetent security guard types running around to absorb bullets from The Man. All we need now is a manifesto. Do you guys know a good manifesto writer? They&#039;ve gotta be nuts, like Dalmer nuts, and have writing skills (at least Hemingway-like), and some sort of eccentricity like soaking all day in the tub (he/she will have to pick a different one than the tub; been done). Craig might work, but he&#039;s gotta polish up the crazy a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, we got a plan then. I like the Blackwater guys involved. Any good revolutionary enterprise needs incompetent security guard types running around to absorb bullets from The Man. All we need now is a manifesto. Do you guys know a good manifesto writer? They&#8217;ve gotta be nuts, like Dalmer nuts, and have writing skills (at least Hemingway-like), and some sort of eccentricity like soaking all day in the tub (he/she will have to pick a different one than the tub; been done). Craig might work, but he&#8217;s gotta polish up the crazy a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim's Neighbor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim's Neighbor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unlike most, I&#039;ve feel like the NCAA has made some positive moves since Brand has no longer been in charge.  Coaches are starting to get suspended, USC got nailed, Auburn isn&#039;t in the clear, etc.  I&#039;m interested to see where this is going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike most, I&#8217;ve feel like the NCAA has made some positive moves since Brand has no longer been in charge.  Coaches are starting to get suspended, USC got nailed, Auburn isn&#8217;t in the clear, etc.  I&#8217;m interested to see where this is going.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So exploiting them becomes acceptable once they can vote?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So exploiting them becomes acceptable once they can vote?</p>
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		<title>By: heynerdlinger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heynerdlinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s also not forget that these aren&#039;t even kids. Almost all college students are at least 18.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget that these aren&#8217;t even kids. Almost all college students are at least 18.</p>
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		<title>By: ta192</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ta192]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, first Cur speaks harshly to them, then Gator bludgeons them, then, a couple of weeks later, I&#039;ll shoot &#039;em.  Maybe we can hire some former Blackwater types to keep them entertained with some waterboarding during the hiatus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, first Cur speaks harshly to them, then Gator bludgeons them, then, a couple of weeks later, I&#8217;ll shoot &#8216;em.  Maybe we can hire some former Blackwater types to keep them entertained with some waterboarding during the hiatus.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NCAA has been saying for a couple years that they&#039;ll &quot;consider&quot; giving players a cut of the money they make off their likenesses in video games and off of their jerseys that they sell.  Yawn.  Wake me up when it happens.

And Craig, the NCAA has more than just *a* rule on the book that serves no purpose other than to exploit kids.  More like dozens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NCAA has been saying for a couple years that they&#8217;ll &#8220;consider&#8221; giving players a cut of the money they make off their likenesses in video games and off of their jerseys that they sell.  Yawn.  Wake me up when it happens.</p>
<p>And Craig, the NCAA has more than just *a* rule on the book that serves no purpose other than to exploit kids.  More like dozens.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lying to the NCAA about a non-violation got Bryant suspended for a year.  Lying to the NCAA about a major violation got Jim Tressel five self-imposed games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lying to the NCAA about a non-violation got Bryant suspended for a year.  Lying to the NCAA about a major violation got Jim Tressel five self-imposed games.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can I just speak sternly to them? I mean, I&#039;m pretty non-violent, and I don&#039;t even like harsh words on the internet, never mind a virtual tire ironing. I usually save that stuff for punks with Justin Bieber haircuts who eye up my daughter. Now those guys can get lined up against a wall....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just speak sternly to them? I mean, I&#8217;m pretty non-violent, and I don&#8217;t even like harsh words on the internet, never mind a virtual tire ironing. I usually save that stuff for punks with Justin Bieber haircuts who eye up my daughter. Now those guys can get lined up against a wall&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s OK. I have no objection to pitchforking them and bludgeoning them with tire irons instead, then burying the bloodsucking bastards alive, just to save the revolution a little ammunition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s OK. I have no objection to pitchforking them and bludgeoning them with tire irons instead, then burying the bloodsucking bastards alive, just to save the revolution a little ammunition.</p>
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		<title>By: ta192</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ta192]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll go along with their being shot, but I do believe they&#039;re pretty far down the list of shootables...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll go along with their being shot, but I do believe they&#8217;re pretty far down the list of shootables&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the revolution comes, those sons of bitches up at the NCAA will be the first ones lined up against a courtyard wall and shot. Then, of course, there&#039;ll be Scott Walker....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the revolution comes, those sons of bitches up at the NCAA will be the first ones lined up against a courtyard wall and shot. Then, of course, there&#8217;ll be Scott Walker&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oliver did but, as Craig mentioned, because they settled the Judge ruled the case was binding only for Oliver&#039;s situation and not precedence setting*.

*speaking of which, how the hell is a judge&#039;s ruling not precedence setting?  Who gets to make that determination?


Also:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Players are way more likely to get smacked if they own up to a simple mistake or misunderstanding of the rule than if they just flat out lie about having an agent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not entirely true here.  All the players who were drafted were sent memo&#039;s by the NCAA in which it explicitly asks them if they had an agent and/or lawyer contact the teams to negotiate on their behalf.  A few years ago I wondered what would happen if the players lied, then the Dez Bryant situation happened** and he was suspended the entire year.  A few players mentioned in the article have been suspended for only 1/3 of the year.

**Bryant, unsure of what to do, lied to the NCAA about going to Deion Sanders house in the off-season.  Sanders had already told the NCAA he hosted a bunch of players, but Bryant lied about being there.  He didn&#039;t break a rule by going, but by lying to the NCAA they suspended him his last year at OK State.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver did but, as Craig mentioned, because they settled the Judge ruled the case was binding only for Oliver&#8217;s situation and not precedence setting*.</p>
<p>*speaking of which, how the hell is a judge&#8217;s ruling not precedence setting?  Who gets to make that determination?</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<blockquote><p>Players are way more likely to get smacked if they own up to a simple mistake or misunderstanding of the rule than if they just flat out lie about having an agent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not entirely true here.  All the players who were drafted were sent memo&#8217;s by the NCAA in which it explicitly asks them if they had an agent and/or lawyer contact the teams to negotiate on their behalf.  A few years ago I wondered what would happen if the players lied, then the Dez Bryant situation happened** and he was suspended the entire year.  A few players mentioned in the article have been suspended for only 1/3 of the year.</p>
<p>**Bryant, unsure of what to do, lied to the NCAA about going to Deion Sanders house in the off-season.  Sanders had already told the NCAA he hosted a bunch of players, but Bryant lied about being there.  He didn&#8217;t break a rule by going, but by lying to the NCAA they suspended him his last year at OK State.</p>
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		<title>By: lardin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lardin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 18:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, what if the High School Baseball player is not yet 18 and his parents happen to be attorneys? Are his parents, as his legal guardians not allowed to talk to the scouts?  I can not wait for someone to seriously challenge the NCAA...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, what if the High School Baseball player is not yet 18 and his parents happen to be attorneys? Are his parents, as his legal guardians not allowed to talk to the scouts?  I can not wait for someone to seriously challenge the NCAA&#8230;</p>
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