Comments on: Manny Ramirez by the numbers

By: The Baseball Idiot

The Baseball Idiot — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:19:16 +0000

How are the stats not real? You just read them at the top of the page. Did you think he was rolling dice and making them up?

They’re real, because that’s what he actually did. How more real do you need it?

By: macjacmccoy

macjacmccoy — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 18:10:37 +0000

The fact that he risked getting caught again after getting caught the first times tells you he thought he would get away with it. No way he does if he knows he wont get away with it. So just because he didnt get caught in those 4-5 year between when they really started testing and getting caught doesnt mean he wasnt using. He probably was but wasnt getting caught which probably gave him the idea that he could get away with it this time.

So for everyone who is argueing he wasnt a creation of steroids bc of those 4 years and the production he had during them really has no reason to believe that he wasnt using steroids then either. Drug tests arent unbeatable especially with the kind of resources these players have at there disposal. It can be as easy as having someone give you a warning when you are going to be tested and then stop using. Also steroids arent the kind of drug that only works when your on them. You keep about a 3rd of your gains even when you stop using. So even if he wasnt using them during that 4 year period (which is a big if) that doesnt mean his production wasnt being great assisted by peformance enhancing drugs.

By: florida76

florida76 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:27:08 +0000

Exactly, and we can’t use moral relativism here by suggesting because some pitchers were cheating everything is pretty much a wash. Two wrongs simply don’t make a right, no matter how you look at it. Manny’s numbers are tainted, along with other cheaters like Bonds, both players got what they deserved.

By: melikefootball

melikefootball — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 14:26:28 +0000

Lets marvel on how he cheated and felt he was above all to do it again.. Not to smart to get caught and now we want to look at what a great pure hitter he was. What about being a PURE ball player without help of drugs to give you a leg up on the other players. Please lets not make hime more than what he was…A CHEATER!!!! He now sits on the same bench as Bonds.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:42:04 +0000

Oh come on, no one forgets that Williams lost all that time in military service. Even if someone wanted to forget it, they couldn’t thanks to the courtesy of constant reminders.

By: Jack Marshall

Jack Marshall — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:34:03 +0000

Williams lost nearly 5 years to two wars, not three.

By: Lukehart80

Lukehart80 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 05:29:53 +0000

Williams actually missed closer to five seasons due to military service, but adding 120 HR to his totals wouldn’t have allowed him to break Ruth’s record.

By: prionogenic

prionogenic — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 03:36:39 +0000

Some people forget that Ted Williams spent 3 years in the military in his prime, the 3 years after he posted: .356/36HR/137RBI! With those 3 years he lost in service of our country he could’ve hit another 100-120 homers and beat Ruth’s record.

By: klbader

klbader — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 03:29:36 +0000

I think he also has the most PED-related suspensions in baseball history as well.

By: rossesmithii

rossesmithii — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 02:43:56 +0000

Hope he wrote this kind of article about Bonds and his hitting, just to be consistence.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 02:34:08 +0000

We also know that “these guys” had to compete against pitchers that used steroids, that at least as many pitchers as hitters used steroids, and that steroids have a larger measurable positive effect on pitcher performance than on hitter performance.

By: Ari Collins

Ari Collins — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:26:22 +0000

Agree with your last sentence, anyway.

By: rjones58

rjones58 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:50:09 +0000

WithOUT him…..sorry

By: rjones58

rjones58 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:49:07 +0000

Thank goodness he is gone. Baseball does not need him or is attitude. All of what ever records he may have are tainted. Baseball is Much BETTER with him.

By: florida76

florida76 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:31:42 +0000

Impressive numbers, but we don’t know how much of those stats are real. Ditto for Bonds, it’s part of the price these guys have to pay for cheating. And if someday Pujols is found to have cheated(hopefully not), his career will be tainted as well.

Even if Manny didn’t cheat and all his numbers were real, I wouldn’t have put him in the same league with a Ted Williams, as an all time great. Lack of passion for the game, and turned into a cancer when he didn’t get his way. Even his failure to promptly notify the Rays about this latest situation pretty much sums up his entire career.

By: jbartlett79

jbartlett79 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:18:19 +0000

It’s also worth noting that, since he bats right-handed, he’s among the best RHB to ever play the game. Much of the list above are left-handed batters, and LHB have the platoon advantage much more often than RHB.

To wit: Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, and Bonds (1 through 4 on that OPS list) were all left-handed batters.

This also means, of course, that Albert Pujols might finish his career as the best RHB of all time… at least by this particular metric.