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Vote: Does verdict affect Barry Bonds’ legacy?

Apr 13, 2011, 6:21 PM EDT

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A jury has found Barry Bonds guilty on a charge of obstruction of justice, and was unable to come to a verdict on three other counts of lying to a grand jury in 2003.

We can debate the sense of the jury’s conclusion elsewhere, but let’s also consider what — if anything — this does for the legacy of baseball’s all-time home run hitter.

  1. yankeesfanlen - Apr 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM

    Leave baseball alone! Every part of it is what it is!

    • Old Gator - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:41 PM

      Not only that, but it is more like it is now than it ever was. Golden age, my ass.

  2. The Common Man/www.platoonadvantage.com - Apr 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM

    Where’s the option for “No, his reputation was already tarnished, so it’s not like it could get any worse” and “Actually, if he had skated completely he would have been crucified even more?”

    • Richard In Big D - Apr 13, 2011 at 6:51 PM

      His rep may not get any worse, but let’s hope this verdict acts as an additional deadbolt on the front doors of Cooperstown, for which Bonds does not have a key.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Apr 13, 2011 at 6:58 PM

        What does this verdict have anything to do with the HoF?

      • seeingwhatsticks - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM

        Should Bonds really be punished because he didn’t cater to the media and isn’t a great person? I think you’d find a lot of the players who have “good guy” reps from playing the media game are actually complete a-holes in real life. Plus, how is what Bonds did any worse than what any of his peers have done? Because the players and owners both neglected the PED issue for so long, and because it was so prevalent, I think our only option is to assume everyone had some sort of PED tie and vote according to who was best amongst their peers and not who was best compared to past greats. That’s not fair to the few select players who might have actually been clean but those players went along with all of this and did little or nothing to speak up about the problem when they had the chance.

      • simon94022 - Apr 13, 2011 at 9:36 PM

        A Hall of Fame without Bonds and Clemens will just become a sad joke. What’s the point of even having a HOF if two of the five greatest players in the history of baseball (neither of whom ever cheated the fans by throwing a game) are on the outside, while excellent but not half as good players (Jim Rice) are in?

        Their PED use was normal during the era they played, and as we keep discovering A LOT of the supposedly clean players did the same thing. I have no doubt there are PED users already in the HOF.

    • tommygx - Apr 15, 2011 at 3:52 PM

      Guilty until proven innocent?

      In the end, the trial proved that not one piece of evidence concerning Bonds and steroids. Even the speculatory stuff was debunked. In fact, the only thing the prosecution brought that wasn’t exposed as a lie or evidence the prosecution made up didn’t even have anything to do with steroids, and that was Kathy Hoskins unbased testimony that she saw Bonds being injected by somebody other than his doctor.

  3. SmackSaw - Apr 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

    No. Best hitter of all time.

  4. goforthanddie - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:19 PM

    His own teammates asked opposing pitchers to bean him. I don’t think his rep can be hurt any more.

  5. villagementality - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:39 PM

    Church:

    Are you kidding me? Bonds took steroids to make himself more powerful, stronger and. therefore a better batter. Steroids also gave him more longevity on the field to enable him to get more at bats and more home runs. What part of HE IS A CHEATER don’t you understand? He’s a POS through and through. Same w Clemmons, McGuire and any other lowlife who chooses to cheat rather than play fair.

    • jimbo1949 - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM

      Does this mean you’re going to start a recall petition for Gaylord Perry, a confessed cheater? What level of outrage have you for him?

      • Old Gator - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:33 PM

        I never thought Perry should have been in the hall in the first place. My level is pretty high.

    • tommygx - Apr 15, 2011 at 3:58 PM

      Bonds took steroids? Give me one piece of evidence that he did. I dare you.

  6. baseballisboring - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM

    His legacy has been tarnished enough already. I’m not sure this makes much of a difference.

  7. montysu - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:57 PM

    Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player of all time. just compare his numbers to anyone in history. It’s funny how everyone forgets that it was common practice to have bowls of pills filled with “greenies” for players. which gives them an extra boost. Bonds is only hated because he wasn’t media friendly. Like I said look at the numbers…..

  8. dlevalley - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:17 PM

    This is the worst kind of poll: answers framed around basic assumptions the author sees in the situation.

    Everyone will read into the Bonds verdict what they want:
    Defenders will harp on the fact that he was not convicted of perjury, so technically there was no proof that he lied about taking steroids.
    Detractors won’t read past the “guilty” word in the headline, and will use this case to forever support their contention that Bonds was an a-hole.
    Reasonable people will see, that like every player in the last 2 decades, there is nuance to the situation that cannot be parsed by a simple ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ poll. These people will be drowned out by the people in the first two categories.

  9. ErikRealtor - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM

    if he wants to shrink his “junk”, so be it!

  10. alfromnorcal - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:02 PM

    Speaking for myself, I’ve come full circle with Bonds. Back when the rumors first started, I thought he was being unfairly targeted because he was proficient, but not very personable. As the evidence kept mounting, I came to resent him and I regretted ever having defended him against his detractors. Then came the hearings, and the sobering realization that while Bonds was probably using, so were 90% of all the players in the major leagues at the time. Seriously, in my opinion. If someone like Marvin Benard (a marvel of mediocrity) was using steroids? That means practically everyone must have been using them too! It’s unfortunate that he lied under oath, because other than that? He’s no more guilty than anyone else that was using them back then. Don’t get me wrong, I’m completely against players using steroids. I’m just saying that personally, I can’t single him out and try to hold him accountable for having used them.

  11. astarck - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:11 PM

    Wall Street bankers have robbed billions of dollars and caused the recession and nothing happens to them. Yet Congress feels compelled to go after a baseball player for lying to Congress. You don’t think any of those scumbags lied in their testimony as to what happened to cause the massive foreclosures? Come on. Congress shouldn’t be wasting their time on Bonds. There are bigger fish to fry.

    • Old Gator - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:40 PM

      Fortunately, there’s no congressional hall of fame. On the other hand, if there were, we’d have to elect its members based on what a bunch of corrupt, pandering, demagogic lying assholes they were. We’d need a whole new set of sabremetrics – anyone who told the truth more than, say, .350% of the time would be an automatic shutout. Anyone whose corporate donations fell short of 85% of their total campaign expenditures would be disqualified. Anyone who actually thinks that evolution is the most reasonable and empirical explanation for biological development is out. You would have to give serious consideration to including anyone who used bullseyes in their campaign literature, who voted consistently against the rights of American workers, or who ducked out on more than 65% of the votes on issues that split their states or districts’ voters opinion polls.

      Oh boy, and then the rules for the old timers’ committee….

      • jimbo1949 - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:00 AM

        So many to choose from. Off the top of my head: Aaron Burr, Preston Brooks, Jefferson Davis, John C. Calhoun, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham.

  12. micker716 - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56 PM

    Believe what you want, but the title “Convicted Felon” will now share billing with “Home-Run King”. Hell yeah, it affects his legacy.

    • tommygx - Apr 15, 2011 at 4:00 PM

      He was “convicted” for obstruction of justice for saying he was a celebrity child:

      More mystery. It’s being reported that the basis of the obstruction conviction was the jury finding that Bonds obstructed justice with respect to his “Statement C” as listed in Count 5. The underlined part of the following is “Statement C”

      Q: Did Greg ever give you anything that required a syringe to inject yourself with?

      A: I’ve only had one doctor touch me. And that’s my only personal doctor. Greg, like I said, we don’t get into each others’ personal lives. We’re friends, but I don’t – we don’t sit around and talk baseball, because he knows I don’t want – don’t come to my house talking baseball. If you want to come to my house and talk about fishing, some other stuff, we’ll be good friends, you come around talking about baseball, you go on. I don’t talk about his business. You know what I mean? …

      Q: Right.

      A: That’s what keeps our friendship. You know, I am sorry, but that – you know, that – I was a celebrity child, not just in baseball by my own instincts. I became a celebrity child with a famous father. I just don’t get into other people’s business because of my father’s situation, you see…

      http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/13/breaking-barry-bonds-guilty-of-obstruction-of-justice-but-not-perjury-which-makes-no-sense-at-all/

      So: Bonds saying that he was a “celebrity child” who didn’t get into anyone’s business obstructed justice and brought down a prosecution over seven years in the making.
      You cool with that?

  13. tommygx - Apr 15, 2011 at 3:54 PM

    Here’s something for you guys to chew on. Bonds had his best offensive seasons as the most verified clean player during 2002-2004, with five reporters following him everywhere, with a federal investigation solely investigating him and strip searching his house, BALCO, Anderson, and anybody related to them on a daily basis, with a reality show Bonds on Bonds going on detailing his daily life, as the sole target of the steroid mess.

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