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	<title>Comments on: Legal experts weigh in on Barry Bonds&#8217; post-trial strategy</title>
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		<title>By: anxovies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anxovies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. It&#039;s been over 30 years since I took criminal cases but I can&#039;t imagine a judge issuing a jnov in this case.  No judge is going to stick his or her neck out like that unless the jury does something really bizarre, especially with the attendant publicity.  A big win for Bonds.  I&#039;m not a fan of Bonds or steroids, but I wonder why the government is wasting its time on steroid use in professional sports.  Any harm is self-inflicted and the penalties in the various leagues are severe enough to deter most athletes from using, Manny excluded.  Don&#039;t see many 60 homerun hitters lately.  I guess the rationale is that steroids filter down to the colleges and high schools,   A similar rationale led to criminalizing recreational drugs like marijuana, and that worked out well, didn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. It&#8217;s been over 30 years since I took criminal cases but I can&#8217;t imagine a judge issuing a jnov in this case.  No judge is going to stick his or her neck out like that unless the jury does something really bizarre, especially with the attendant publicity.  A big win for Bonds.  I&#8217;m not a fan of Bonds or steroids, but I wonder why the government is wasting its time on steroid use in professional sports.  Any harm is self-inflicted and the penalties in the various leagues are severe enough to deter most athletes from using, Manny excluded.  Don&#8217;t see many 60 homerun hitters lately.  I guess the rationale is that steroids filter down to the colleges and high schools,   A similar rationale led to criminalizing recreational drugs like marijuana, and that worked out well, didn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: lbehrendt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, agreed. Kevin, yours is the point I was making ... though we have both directed verdicts and judgments notwithstanding the verdict for a reason. It&#039;s possible to have the second without the first. Clyde is right; the judge could pass on the directed verdict, hoping that the jury will acquit.  Or, the judge might look at the jury&#039;s specific verdict and say, there WAS a verdict you could have reasonably reached that would have convicted the defendant but this isn&#039;t the one!

Another option is that the judge will allow the verdict to stand, knowing that no matter what she does the matter is going to be resolved by the Court of Appeals in any event.

Wait ... did I just agree with everyone? What was it I ate for lunch?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, agreed. Kevin, yours is the point I was making &#8230; though we have both directed verdicts and judgments notwithstanding the verdict for a reason. It&#8217;s possible to have the second without the first. Clyde is right; the judge could pass on the directed verdict, hoping that the jury will acquit.  Or, the judge might look at the jury&#8217;s specific verdict and say, there WAS a verdict you could have reasonably reached that would have convicted the defendant but this isn&#8217;t the one!</p>
<p>Another option is that the judge will allow the verdict to stand, knowing that no matter what she does the matter is going to be resolved by the Court of Appeals in any event.</p>
<p>Wait &#8230; did I just agree with everyone? What was it I ate for lunch?</p>
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		<title>By: clydeserra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clydeserra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Judges don&#039;t like to throw things out if there is ANY evidence. They usually deny the mid trial motion to dismiss (or reserve judgement) and hope the jury does the dirty work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judges don&#8217;t like to throw things out if there is ANY evidence. They usually deny the mid trial motion to dismiss (or reserve judgement) and hope the jury does the dirty work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If that was the case, wouldn&#039;t the judge have thrown out the charge to begin with?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that was the case, wouldn&#8217;t the judge have thrown out the charge to begin with?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Calcaterra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Calcaterra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I agree. I know that it&#039;s the case with JNOV and civil trials. Wasn&#039;t sure if it was the same standard with criminal trials. Seems like a tall order. I think they stand a way, way better shot with an appeal on the jury instructions.

I guess the only hope here on that would be the judge deciding that it was patently unreasonable for the jury to say that Bonds materially misled and evaded when he actually gave a straight answer to the question at issue. 

But yes, not likely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I agree. I know that it&#8217;s the case with JNOV and civil trials. Wasn&#8217;t sure if it was the same standard with criminal trials. Seems like a tall order. I think they stand a way, way better shot with an appeal on the jury instructions.</p>
<p>I guess the only hope here on that would be the judge deciding that it was patently unreasonable for the jury to say that Bonds materially misled and evaded when he actually gave a straight answer to the question at issue. </p>
<p>But yes, not likely.</p>
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		<title>By: lbehrendt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, let&#039;s make it clear that what we&#039;re talking about here -- the technical term is a &quot;judgment notwithstanding the verdict&quot; -- is a very rare event. It requires the judge to say that no reasonable jury could have reached the verdict in question. The example usually trotted out is this: if the jury convicts on a charge where no evidence was presented, then a judgment notwithstanding the verdict is appropriate.

I know you understand: to get a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, you need an extraordinary case where the jury has gone so far afield that it&#039;s appropriate to let the judge decide the case instead. You need something more than the jury doing something that the judge disagrees with, or even strongly disagrees with. A judgment notwithstanding the verdict means that we&#039;re going to toss one of our most sacred principles out the window: namely, that criminal cases should be decided by juries and not by judges.

There&#039;s another factor involved. Before the case goes to the jury, the defense made a motion for a &quot;directed verdict&quot;, which in essence is a motion that the case should be dismissed by the judge without letting the case reach the jury. I&#039;m not an expert here and my memories of law school and bar exams are a bit hazy, but I think the grounds for a directed verdict are the same as the grounds for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict. Also, motions for directed verdicts are easier to get, since they don&#039;t require the judge to say that the jury was wrong -- in essence, we prefer not giving the jury the chance to be wrong over telling the jury that they were wrong after the fact.  In any event, Judge Illston denied the motion for a directed verdict. That may not bode well for the defense effort to obtain a judgment notwithstanding the verdict.

I wouldn&#039;t bet the family farm on this verdict being reversed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, let&#8217;s make it clear that what we&#8217;re talking about here &#8212; the technical term is a &#8220;judgment notwithstanding the verdict&#8221; &#8212; is a very rare event. It requires the judge to say that no reasonable jury could have reached the verdict in question. The example usually trotted out is this: if the jury convicts on a charge where no evidence was presented, then a judgment notwithstanding the verdict is appropriate.</p>
<p>I know you understand: to get a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, you need an extraordinary case where the jury has gone so far afield that it&#8217;s appropriate to let the judge decide the case instead. You need something more than the jury doing something that the judge disagrees with, or even strongly disagrees with. A judgment notwithstanding the verdict means that we&#8217;re going to toss one of our most sacred principles out the window: namely, that criminal cases should be decided by juries and not by judges.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another factor involved. Before the case goes to the jury, the defense made a motion for a &#8220;directed verdict&#8221;, which in essence is a motion that the case should be dismissed by the judge without letting the case reach the jury. I&#8217;m not an expert here and my memories of law school and bar exams are a bit hazy, but I think the grounds for a directed verdict are the same as the grounds for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict. Also, motions for directed verdicts are easier to get, since they don&#8217;t require the judge to say that the jury was wrong &#8212; in essence, we prefer not giving the jury the chance to be wrong over telling the jury that they were wrong after the fact.  In any event, Judge Illston denied the motion for a directed verdict. That may not bode well for the defense effort to obtain a judgment notwithstanding the verdict.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t bet the family farm on this verdict being reversed.</p>
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		<title>By: clydeserra</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the other counts were not guilty on perjury and guilty on obstruction, they would be inconsistent and the judge might be able to set it aside. But they weren&#039;t, there was no verdict on the other counts. It is a good issue on appeal, but the Judge will not do anything about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the other counts were not guilty on perjury and guilty on obstruction, they would be inconsistent and the judge might be able to set it aside. But they weren&#8217;t, there was no verdict on the other counts. It is a good issue on appeal, but the Judge will not do anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Millard Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Millard Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, you mean real legal experts are disagreeing with Lester Munson&#039;s assertion that the verdict was a &quot;major triumph&quot; for the government? :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you mean real legal experts are disagreeing with Lester Munson&#8217;s assertion that the verdict was a &#8220;major triumph&#8221; for the government? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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