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	<title>Comments on: Mike Quade alleges a violation of The Unwritten Rules</title>
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		<title>By: umrguy42</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize the quote is from football, but when &quot;Mad Mike&quot; Martz was still coaching the Rams (back when they were still good) and was accused of running up the score by the opposing coach, his response was (in essence) &quot;I thought the point was to win the game&quot;.  Yes, professional courtesy is nice, but again - 5th inning. That&#039;s a lot of time for somebody to come back, even if the odds aren&#039;t in their favor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize the quote is from football, but when &#8220;Mad Mike&#8221; Martz was still coaching the Rams (back when they were still good) and was accused of running up the score by the opposing coach, his response was (in essence) &#8220;I thought the point was to win the game&#8221;.  Yes, professional courtesy is nice, but again &#8211; 5th inning. That&#8217;s a lot of time for somebody to come back, even if the odds aren&#8217;t in their favor.</p>
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		<title>By: nyy0202</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have played ball for over 30 years and have seen many teams lose because they didn&#039;t keep playing hard. Up by 1 or 25 runs show respect for the game play until the game is over!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have played ball for over 30 years and have seen many teams lose because they didn&#8217;t keep playing hard. Up by 1 or 25 runs show respect for the game play until the game is over!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Turbow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Turbow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that I’ve been dropped as a reference in this discussion, it seems reasonable to chime in. 

Craig, I can’t take umbrage with your philosophy that leads such as 6-0 and 8-1 are anything but bulletproof. Occasionally a manager who plays as if his team’s lead is insurmountable (doing things like failing to hold opposing runners on base, or keeping his own runners from advancing two bases on a single) will pay for his strategy with a loss. 

One great thing about baseball’s Code is that there are legitimate arguments to be made about it, pro and con. You just touched on the con. Without getting into too many specifics, here is a brief defense of the other side.

Baseball’s leisurely pace offers copious time for reflection between plays. This is part of its beauty. It also allows players to send messages through their actions. A stolen base doesn’t have to mean anything beyond a runner advancing, but it can; look no further than Nyjer Morgan’s two steals against the Marlins last year, which precipitated a brawl. Similar sentiments can be expressed through inside fastballs, hard tags and home run trots.

Because so many messages can be sent through actions on a diamond, the concept of respect—for one’s opponent, for one’s teammates and for the game itself—is paramount. With the understanding that there is plenty of gray area about which to argue, enforcement of the unwritten rules almost inevitably keeps players in line.

A baseball version of LeBron James, for example, could never get away with going back to Cleveland and pulling his chalk-in-the-air routine; opposing pitchers wouldn’t allow it to happen more than once. This seems to fall into what you label “professional courtesy,” and it’s entirely valid. 

Having devoted an undue amount of attention to the topic over recent years, however, I’d take things a step further and posit that virtually every section of the Code can be labeled “professional courtesy.” Nobody likes to be shown up during a blowout, partly because they know that the following day the score can go lopsided in the opposite direction. We can argue about what constitutes a blowout and when in the game to pay attention to it, but the notion of on-field courtesy is unassailable, at least to those who play the game. 

That’s the way of baseball, one thing that makes it different—and better—than any other sport. 

Thanks for the great ongoing coverage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I’ve been dropped as a reference in this discussion, it seems reasonable to chime in. </p>
<p>Craig, I can’t take umbrage with your philosophy that leads such as 6-0 and 8-1 are anything but bulletproof. Occasionally a manager who plays as if his team’s lead is insurmountable (doing things like failing to hold opposing runners on base, or keeping his own runners from advancing two bases on a single) will pay for his strategy with a loss. </p>
<p>One great thing about baseball’s Code is that there are legitimate arguments to be made about it, pro and con. You just touched on the con. Without getting into too many specifics, here is a brief defense of the other side.</p>
<p>Baseball’s leisurely pace offers copious time for reflection between plays. This is part of its beauty. It also allows players to send messages through their actions. A stolen base doesn’t have to mean anything beyond a runner advancing, but it can; look no further than Nyjer Morgan’s two steals against the Marlins last year, which precipitated a brawl. Similar sentiments can be expressed through inside fastballs, hard tags and home run trots.</p>
<p>Because so many messages can be sent through actions on a diamond, the concept of respect—for one’s opponent, for one’s teammates and for the game itself—is paramount. With the understanding that there is plenty of gray area about which to argue, enforcement of the unwritten rules almost inevitably keeps players in line.</p>
<p>A baseball version of LeBron James, for example, could never get away with going back to Cleveland and pulling his chalk-in-the-air routine; opposing pitchers wouldn’t allow it to happen more than once. This seems to fall into what you label “professional courtesy,” and it’s entirely valid. </p>
<p>Having devoted an undue amount of attention to the topic over recent years, however, I’d take things a step further and posit that virtually every section of the Code can be labeled “professional courtesy.” Nobody likes to be shown up during a blowout, partly because they know that the following day the score can go lopsided in the opposite direction. We can argue about what constitutes a blowout and when in the game to pay attention to it, but the notion of on-field courtesy is unassailable, at least to those who play the game. </p>
<p>That’s the way of baseball, one thing that makes it different—and better—than any other sport. </p>
<p>Thanks for the great ongoing coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonny 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think I have ever agreed more to anything written. Ever. Man, The Cubs pick Quade over Ryne Sandberg huh?  Well everyone makes mistakes, and i&#039;m just glad it was Philly to take advantage and hire him. I guess it&#039;s fair though since Philly basically gave away a HOF 2nd baseman for a hill of beans when Ryne was young.

Here, you compare. 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110424_Hall_of_Famer_still_willing_to_pay_his_dues.html

keep the volume low, crappy ads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I have ever agreed more to anything written. Ever. Man, The Cubs pick Quade over Ryne Sandberg huh?  Well everyone makes mistakes, and i&#8217;m just glad it was Philly to take advantage and hire him. I guess it&#8217;s fair though since Philly basically gave away a HOF 2nd baseman for a hill of beans when Ryne was young.</p>
<p>Here, you compare. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110424_Hall_of_Famer_still_willing_to_pay_his_dues.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110424_Hall_of_Famer_still_willing_to_pay_his_dues.html</a></p>
<p>keep the volume low, crappy ads.</p>
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		<title>By: marshmallowsnake</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marshmallowsnake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I were managing the cubs, then I would be trying to blame everyone else too...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were managing the cubs, then I would be trying to blame everyone else too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: O.Handwasher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O.Handwasher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason Turbow covered this one over at The Baseball Codes (also a terrific book, BTW):

http://thebaseballcodes.com/2011/04/20/brewers-late-baserunning-renews-questions-about-how-much-is-too-much/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Turbow covered this one over at The Baseball Codes (also a terrific book, BTW):</p>
<p><a href="http://thebaseballcodes.com/2011/04/20/brewers-late-baserunning-renews-questions-about-how-much-is-too-much/" rel="nofollow">http://thebaseballcodes.com/2011/04/20/brewers-late-baserunning-renews-questions-about-how-much-is-too-much/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good.  Then they need to stop their whining.  Or like I said, if they feel the need, plunk the next batter in the wallet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good.  Then they need to stop their whining.  Or like I said, if they feel the need, plunk the next batter in the wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: a125125125</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quade&#039;s other unwritten rules: 

&quot;No fair beating teams that haven&#039;t won a World Series since the Van Buren administration.&quot;  

&quot;No fair beating teams with a hairless manager.&quot;

&quot;No fair beating home teams in stadiums that were built as part of reconstruction after the Civil War.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quade&#8217;s other unwritten rules: </p>
<p>&#8220;No fair beating teams that haven&#8217;t won a World Series since the Van Buren administration.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;No fair beating teams with a hairless manager.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No fair beating home teams in stadiums that were built as part of reconstruction after the Civil War.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lbehrendt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lbehrendt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, the Cubs DID throw the guy out. The guy (A.J. Ellis, I think) was the Dodgers&#039; catcher. The third base coach mistakenly gave the steal sign. I agree with Craig and the commenters, but thought I should mention that the Cubs chances to win actually improved a little bit when Ellis was thrown out at second.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, the Cubs DID throw the guy out. The guy (A.J. Ellis, I think) was the Dodgers&#8217; catcher. The third base coach mistakenly gave the steal sign. I agree with Craig and the commenters, but thought I should mention that the Cubs chances to win actually improved a little bit when Ellis was thrown out at second.</p>
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		<title>By: micker716</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[micker716]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New unwritten rule submission:  Don&#039;t whine to the media when you believe your opponent violates an unwritten rule.  Take care of business on the field or face to face.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New unwritten rule submission:  Don&#8217;t whine to the media when you believe your opponent violates an unwritten rule.  Take care of business on the field or face to face.</p>
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		<title>By: catsmeat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[catsmeat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quade is complaining about the same Dodgers who scored 8 runs the next day and lost, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quade is complaining about the same Dodgers who scored 8 runs the next day and lost, right?</p>
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		<title>By: largebill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[largebill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No clock, right? If there is no clock then there is no lead that is actually truly safe. If no lead is safe then there is no attempt to add to a lead that is morally wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No clock, right? If there is no clock then there is no lead that is actually truly safe. If no lead is safe then there is no attempt to add to a lead that is morally wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A) It was the fifth inning, not the ninth inning.  And it was 8-1, not 15-1.
B) If you don&#039;t want him to steal the base, throw the guy out.  And stop your whining.
C) And if you&#039;re that mad, have your pitcher plunk the batter in the wallet.
I mean really Quade...  How many o&#039;s are there in stooooooooooooooooooopid?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A) It was the fifth inning, not the ninth inning.  And it was 8-1, not 15-1.<br />
B) If you don&#8217;t want him to steal the base, throw the guy out.  And stop your whining.<br />
C) And if you&#8217;re that mad, have your pitcher plunk the batter in the wallet.<br />
I mean really Quade&#8230;  How many o&#8217;s are there in stooooooooooooooooooopid?</p>
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		<title>By: 78mu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[78mu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have a team that hasn&#039;t won a WS in over 100 years and you are whining about this?  Tell your team to toughen up and quit giving teams a big lead by the fifth inning.  Maybe the Cubs should be the one stealing bases when they are up big by the middle of the game.

If this is Quade&#039;s attitude now, what will he be whining about in August when the Cubs are 13 games out?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a team that hasn&#8217;t won a WS in over 100 years and you are whining about this?  Tell your team to toughen up and quit giving teams a big lead by the fifth inning.  Maybe the Cubs should be the one stealing bases when they are up big by the middle of the game.</p>
<p>If this is Quade&#8217;s attitude now, what will he be whining about in August when the Cubs are 13 games out?</p>
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		<title>By: nps6724</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nps6724]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Next year I hope MLB has a new unwritten rule to the book: when up by 10, each hitter may only advance one base at a time regardless of where the ball is hit.  This will keep the opposing team&#039;s feelings intact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next year I hope MLB has a new unwritten rule to the book: when up by 10, each hitter may only advance one base at a time regardless of where the ball is hit.  This will keep the opposing team&#8217;s feelings intact.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo1949</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimbo1949]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s just supply him with a multi-use towel: after he&#039;s done wiping his tears he can throw it out on the field and pull his team off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just supply him with a multi-use towel: after he&#8217;s done wiping his tears he can throw it out on the field and pull his team off.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukehart80</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lukehart80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, Mattingly wound up apologizing for the incident, so I don&#039;t think this unwritten rule is going away anytime soon. Ah, tradition...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Mattingly wound up apologizing for the incident, so I don&#8217;t think this unwritten rule is going away anytime soon. Ah, tradition&#8230;</p>
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