Comments on: Some of the dirt from the new Jeter book http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:46:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: genericcommenter http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131893 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:39:20 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131893 Cashman was a pretty good player. He played college ball. He wasn’t a pro, but he played at a higher level than most players have the opportunity to. He knew his limitations and moved into something else that fit his abilities.

]]> By: kmccoy9999 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131891 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:38:07 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131891 The real issue on this one is once again Joe Torre is absent. He managed by favorites and I am sure he declined to discuss it with Jeter. Remember Torre allowed the clubhouse to be divided by Jeter. He also ttok an active role teaming with Jeter against Arod. The SI article where no current manager should never set up a current player, let alone any player. Then his book which was a hatchet jobn on everyone he did not like, especially Rodriguez. So Cashman essentially the only man left with the guts to address Jeter. Give him some credit.

]]> By: marinersnate http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131846 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:30:53 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131846 Leave Derek Jeter alone.

]]> By: phantomspaceman http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131825 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:20:47 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131825 I’m waiting for the tell-all Joe Mauer book that details the time he accidentally killed a hooker in Miami, but Albert Pujols and Tim Tebow helped him ditch the evidence.

]]> By: cktai http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131750 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:32:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131750 Jeter should have moved to 3B in 2004 when Rodriguez came. After all Rodriguez was a two time gold glover, making only half the errors that Jeter made, despite being involved in 60% more outs and turning twice as many double plays in 2003. Failing to move Jeter to 3B was and still is a horrible mistake.

Stats in 2003:
Errors : 8 for ARod – 14 for Jeter
Putouts: 227 for Arod – 159 for Jeter
Assists: 464 for Arod – 271A for Jeter
DP: 110 for Arod – 54 for Jeter
UZR: 12.4 for Arod – minus 4 for Jeter

]]> By: saints97 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131696 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:07:19 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131696 I think he is a Hall of Famer, and yet he still is not the deity that New Yorkers and ESPN have made him out to be. A guy that has pretty much never been a top 10 defensive SS (and mostly has been bad) who has won 5 Gold Gloves is overrated by definition. He’s been a fantastic hitter (for a SS) for his entire career, and that is why I think he deserves membership in the Hall.

But he gets pegged as this winner who will do anything to win, and that notion is silly. If he were really the team-first guy he’s made out to be, he would have put his ego aside and let the clearly superior ARod play SS (and ARod was superior by a very large margin). But instead it was the “selfish” ARod who put his ego aside.

Me saying that Jeter is overrated does not mean that I don’t recognize what an excellent player he has been. I just don’t think he’s going to walk on water, the way ESPN and Yankee fan would have us believe.

]]> By: cogitobaseballergosum http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131693 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:04:40 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131693 No, it was a Holiday Inn Express.

]]> By: Chris Fiorentino http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131628 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:23:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131628 He is going to end up top-15 all time in hits. I am thinking that since stat-geeks don’t value the “hit” as a real stat, he is probably over-rated in their eyes. Everyone above him in hits will be in the hall of fame except Rose(Gambling), Palmiero(Steroids) and Biggio(I think he will get in). But Biggio did it in 20 years and Jeter is in his 17th.

Anyone who thinks Jeter is over-rated is nuts.

]]> By: coutre http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131622 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:08:27 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131622 Slip defensively in 2007? I think you meant 1997.

]]> By: BC http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131620 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:07:12 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131620 He also didn’t know when to retire.
The Yankees have a dilemma. Their SS and 3B are both over 35. They have studs at 2B and 1B, so you’re not moving either of them there. When Posada retires, who becomes the DH? I’d probably say A-Rod given he’s had some injuries in the past few years. Then what do you do with Jeter? Stick him in the OF or at 3B, or just hope he retires? It’ll be interesting.

]]> By: Panda Claus http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131619 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:07:01 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131619 Actually I believe Ripken was a vastly under-rated fielder. He could have won another Gold Glove in ’90 when he only had 3 errors at SS for the entire year (.996 fielding pct but somehow lost to Guillen). His range was not as great right before he moved 3B, but he had an ability to maintain great positioning which helped makeup for his diminished range.

The part about Ripken being aloof and getting special treatment was not out of line.

In defense of Jeter not moving to 3B, it’s not like he’s going to push out ARod. HIs next move is LF or DH after SS.

]]> By: bobwsc http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131613 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:50:16 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131613 But Ripken knew when to leave SS for third

]]> By: bobwsc http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131611 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:48:45 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131611 “aren’t you the guy that put us up in that Ramada in Milwaukee?”

]]> By: BC http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131608 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:34:02 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131608 Not bashing Ripken – the guy’s a Hall of famer. But he was also a vastly overrated fielder, and apparently was super-arrogant and self-centered and not buddy-buddy with teammates (read that in a few places). But hey, maybe when you’re an HOFer you don’t care about that stuff.

]]> By: itsacurse http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131607 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:32:21 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131607 I can’t help but think this is the type of stuff that goes on with almost every ballclub, then immediately blows over. O’CONNOR CASH GRAB

]]> By: schrutebeetfarms http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131606 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:31:01 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131606 It’s weird. Everyone seems to hate on Jeter calling him over-rated. But I think it’s gotten to the point that since everyone calls him over-rated, he’s now under-rated. It’s always a weird phenomenon when that happens. To those who say he’s over-rated, granted he doesn’t walk on water, however, he’s a pretty solid ball player to put it mildly.

]]> By: tomemos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131599 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:15:04 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131599 The sentiment in general is old, but you have to admit that it’s pretty creative to claim that the GENERAL MANAGER is in no place to talk about someone’s baseball skills.

]]> By: Panda Claus http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131591 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:03:36 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131591 No Ripken bashing here please, wrong thread.

But seriously, did this really need to be a book? Should’ve waited until he retired then there would be a lot more things that could be dished in a book like this.

]]> By: jimbo1949 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131589 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:03:07 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131589 That the best ya got O’Connor?
Where’s yer high hard stuff?
Don’t gimme none of that weak cheese, Meat.

]]> By: saints97 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131582 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:42:20 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131582 Most overrated player in a generation, maybe ever. He does, though, make Rawlings look good for awarding Rafael Palmeiro a gold glove in a year that he played in the field less than 30 games. Palmeiro, at least, was a decent fielder in those 28 games.

]]> By: b7p19 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131579 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:40:33 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131579 Oh boy, the old “you have to be good at baseball to know baseball” attitude. Who let Joe Morgan in here?

]]> By: thevandalen http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131578 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:40:02 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131578 New York City is a funny place… I ask myself why I choose to live here every couple weeks.

]]> By: BC http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131574 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:34:53 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131574 Ripken wasn’t any different. Played 3 or 4 more years than he should have.

]]> By: yankeesfanlen http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131564 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:23:54 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131564 O’Connor besmirching Beep-beep’s reputation. The proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
What entity hasn’t had this personnel dilemma before? In baseball terms, the promising rookie develops into a skilled pro and accomplishes great feats for many years in his prime. Skills begin to deteriorate, the age-induced cracks begin to show, and management hopes to gently intervene and make the most of whats left. Followed by resentment and denial by the by-then hometown hero whom wish to page through the scrapbook instead of looking realistically at diminishing performance.
Someone’s not going gently into that good night. Hint: It isn’t Cashman.

]]> By: BC http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131559 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:13:17 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131559 OK, my counterpoints:
1. It was a contract negotiation. These things happen. It’s not news.
2. So he gave A-Rod a dirty look. For all we know A-Rod called Jeter off. Again, not news.
3. Jeter was starting to slip defensively by 2007. But it should have been Torre saying something, not Cashman.
This whole book sounds like a slam job. O’Conner will probably make thousands off it. Chipwich.

]]> By: wurst2first http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131558 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:10:16 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131558 Cashman was also upset when he found out that both Jeter and Bernie Williams were completely unreceptive to some valid, if unorthodox, batting tips offered by the Assistant to the Traveling Secretary in 1997.

]]> By: kellyb9 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/some-of-the-dirt-from-the-new-jeter-book/comment-page-1/#comment-131555 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:07:38 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=53331#comment-131555 I don’t see anything wrong with being upset that someone other than his coach told him that he needed to work on his defense, especially a front office type who’s probably never played semi-pro ball. I think Brian Cashman sounds more out of line in most of these instances.

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