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Jorge Posada claims to have back injury, still in the wrong

May 15, 2011, 12:02 AM EDT

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This thing is officially a mess, but we’re going to try to lay out all the different reports and go from there.

Yankees designated hitter Jorge Posada removed himself from Saturday night’s lineup against the rival Red Sox, telling manager Joe Girardi an hour before game time that he “needed a mental day” of rest. At least, that’s how Girardi put it in his postgame press conference. A report that surfaced around the third inning from the YES Network’s Jack Curry told quite a different tale:

According to person briefed on Posada’s exchange with Girardi, Posada told mgr he was “insulted” about hitting 9th and “threw a hissy fit.”

Posada is now claiming to have a stiff back — a result of taking pregame infield practice at first base — but did not inform Girardi of the ailment during their pregame conversation.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman made his way to the press box around the fourth inning to discuss the matter but did not divulge much information, saying that he “didn’t want to speak for” the 39-year-old designated hitter and that he had no knowledge of any sort of injury. Reports followed stating that Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner was “in contact with Bud Selig’s office” regarding Posada’s refusal to play.

There aren’t two sides to this story. There are several. But in each one of them Posada looks like a complete clown. He either refused to play on Saturday night against the Red Sox because he felt slighted at being dropped to the ninth spot in the lineup — a preposterous attitude considering his lofty $13.1 million salary and current offensive struggles — or he’s actually injured and didn’t bother to tell anyone.

Whatever the case, it’s on Posada to patch things up. Either with a public apology or closed-door meeting with Girardi and Cashman, an apology must be issued so that the situation can blow over.

Posada is batting just .165 with a .621 OPS in 33 games this year. On a team full of aging DH types like Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter and Andruw Jones, the guy is far more expendable than he might think.

  1. mrznyc - May 15, 2011 at 12:08 AM

    You get this type of irrational behavior in old age homes as well

    • kmgannon - May 15, 2011 at 12:30 AM

      The Yankees’ lineup is pretty much an old age home at this point, isn’t it?

    • evanpenn - May 15, 2011 at 11:03 AM

      I just lost all respect for Posada. He’s shown himself to be a very little man.

      I lost respect for Jeter a long time ago because of his fancy, going the other way jump and throw move. This move is no quicker than plant and throw, and is far less accurate. So it looks good, but he hurts his team because of his arrogance.

      Mariano, the third member of the trilogy, I still have great respect for…

  2. cup0pizza - May 15, 2011 at 12:52 AM

    No class. Typical Yankee. Up yours, Posada. You suck.

  3. paperlions - May 15, 2011 at 12:56 AM

    Jorge Posada = True Yankee
    .
    Sorry, couldn’t help it.

    • proudlycanadian - May 15, 2011 at 7:21 AM

      As a Yankee hater, I want to see Posada continue to contaminate the team. On the other hand, the Yankees should treat him with proper respect and designate him for assignment.

  4. pisano - May 15, 2011 at 12:59 AM

    It’s time for Posada to move on, he’s hurting the team as is Jeter, Arod, and Swisher. This is what happens when you over pay players in their mid to late thirties. You’re stuck with them and their salaries.While I’m good and pissed I forgot to add Tex what a load of crap this strikeout artist has turned out to be.

    • thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 5:24 AM

      It sure seems like you’re conflating a true degradation of skills over several years with slow starts. Please be rational and separate the one from the other, lest someone take you seriously.

    • jwbiii - May 15, 2011 at 9:41 AM

      With OPS+s of 71, 80, 123, and 82, one of these things is not like the others.

  5. micker716 - May 15, 2011 at 1:02 AM

    Gotta love NY. Where else would a 39 yr. old over-the-hill catcher throwing a hissy fit attract this kind of attention? Where else would Jorge Posada even make a roster? Something about those pinstripes make these guys think their not just regular ballplayers. Here’s an idea, Yankees. Develop young players in your minor league system, replace those old players with young players. That’s how the rest of the league does it more or less.

    • thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 5:28 AM

      Yes! This argument makes all the sense in the world if you ignore that…

      A) Posada was homegrown
      B) The best Posada type, offensive catcher with iffy defensive value, is playing in Scranton.
      C) Posada was a decent hitter last season and we’re only six weeks into this season.
      D) “Doing it how the other teams do it” would be monumentally stupid for a team with such structural and financial advantages.

      • clydeserra - May 15, 2011 at 11:02 AM

        not to mention the late 90s yankees dynasty was home grown

  6. thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 1:08 AM

    Posada’s offensive performance has been more valuable than Jeter’s empty average AND Jorge was more productive last season.

    To write up this story without even acknowledging that Posada’s being singled out while a batter who’s performed worse over the past 200 games is given a free pass is questionable.

    I’m NOT saying that Jorge was right to do what he did. He’s clearly not. But I understand it would be difficult to watch the team give Jeter a free pass while getting demoted for greater offensive contributions.

    • marinersnate - May 15, 2011 at 1:21 AM

      Leave Derek Jeter alone!

    • Kevin S. - May 15, 2011 at 1:39 AM

      Jeter’s average is pretty empty, yeah, but Jorge’s been so wretched, he’s still worse than Derek. When you consider where they both are on the defensive spectrum (in terms of positional replacement value, not fielding ability), there’s no question who’s been more valuable this year.

      • thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 5:34 AM

        Look at their splits vs rhp in 2010 and 2011. Jeter has NOT been better than Posada and it’s not all that close.

        While overall value could be argued — playing a shoddy shortstop isn’t necessarily better than a player able to play a shoddy catcher for 80 games if his manager didn’t have a fetish for defensive back-ups that can’t hit — it DOESN’T MATTER.

        Offense is all that matters in roster construction and to tell a borderline hall of famer he’s batting ninth at 4pm (as Joe Sheehan’s pointed out, after 15 years of service from the guy that’s hurt Posada’s career more than anyone else)… Well, it’s tone-deaf and if nothing else.

  7. bcshater - May 15, 2011 at 1:10 AM

    And to make matters worse for Posada, he has his wife twitter some crap during the game with Boston. Hey Posada, I’ll bet there are a lot of players that would have no problem batting 9th. For an athlete to feel slighted when they are making millions to play a game…. come on.

    And when are players of any sport going to learn not to spew on Twitter. Because every time they do they all claim,”Oh, I was taken out of context”. Hey, it was your words…..

    • thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 5:39 AM

      “millions of dollars to play a game”?

      Haven’t we retired that strawman?? After many years of having no control over his salary and work environment, Posada is being paid a salary that reflects the value he creates for a billion dollar company. He is one of a handful of men alive with the skill-set to do what he does and to somehow dismiss that…

      Well, I’m sure you know how moronic your comment was.

      • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 8:10 AM

        Posada at .150 is worth millions? You definitely need mental help. Of course the players have control over their salaries. THEY HAVE AGENTS THAT TAKE 10% BUSINESS MANAGERS WHO TAKE ANOTHER 10%. They have no control over their work environment? Which narcotic are you on. Hughes was sent to the best specialists in the United States. Who paid for that. He didn’t! Any player can be dismissed tomorrow and that has no effect on the company. If the yankees think that they can get better value somewhere else, they go for it. There is no loyalty, no lets think of the fans. There is only the $$$$$. And the yankees don’t give a damn about the fans that followed them on tv or radio for the last 50-60-70 years. THEY WANT THE $$$ and f*** the fans. Just look at the averages and the names. You have to squint real hard to see anything of value there. And the fans are not even a .(period) on the scorecard. As long as the yankee management can squeeze out the promise of a decent team at any price, the fan is just something to be taken advantage of.
        What does Rodrigues do? Nothing that hasn’t been done before and wouldn’t be done tomorrow. So What? Posada is done. Jeter is done. Girardi is doing a terrible job managing and working with the GM? Nobody is minding the store. As if I care. I did care about the old Yankees and the history, but what we are seeing now is just garbage. Better back to when CBS owned the yankees.

      • irishjackmp - May 15, 2011 at 8:53 AM

        You can’t be serious.

        “The value he creates for his company”. Huh? You honestly think he added at least 13 million to the Yankees bottom line? As if there were thousands of Yankee fans out there saying “well, if the Yankees don’t resign an aging player who skills have so eroded he isn’t playing in the field anymore, then I am not going to any more games”.

        Getting a large contract in professional sports arises from one of two things…

        1) Leverage – i.e. – “I’m a free agent and if you don’t give me a lot of money someone else will”, or,

        2) An owners reliance on sentiment (“he’s been such a great player for a long time here”) over reality (“his skills are diminishing and will continue to diminish) (see Jeter’s 3 yr/51m contract as a prime example).

        Congrats to Posada’s agent for being able to play on the heartstrings of the Yankees to get him this contract, but for a guy who has been brutal this year to even utter a peep about getting bumped in the lineup just underscores why so many fans resent players.

        I really don’t get the Yankees sometimes. Giving a well past his prime Jeter 17m/yr; giving Posada alot of cash when he was clearly done; giving ARod that rediculous 10 year deal when he was already 32 and his production (while quite good still) had also dropped when no other teams would have come close to offering those figures

        As a Phillies fan, I guess I want to see them continue to do it but as a baseball fan I cannot figure out why they continue to constantly bid against themselves.

  8. dailyrev - May 15, 2011 at 1:17 AM

    A little perspective for those who prefer to put their hatred of (a) the Yankees or (b) overpaid late-career players (in all sports) ahead of their better judgment: this fellow has played for something like 15 yrs. at a position typically deemed the most brutal in his game, and been a fairly key cog in 4 or 5 championships (I’m doing this from memory, you can look it all up). And like many aging players before him, he’s very confused about how and when to go out (think for a minute and I’m sure many names will come to mind). And he’s never quite gotten used to the media glare that comes with playing in his team’s city — call it Favre syndrome, if you like.

    Meanwhile, other players in that lineup are under-performing, even those still in their primes (Cano, Tex, Swisher). But they’re still able to take the field and play their positions. So I’m suggesting that Posada might have earned a little slack, given the general collapse happening throughout that team. He earned it, even before many of those others were in the same locker room with him.

    In my business, people aren’t rewarded so much for past performance — my bosses remind me that I’ve been paid for all the wonderful things I did in previous years; they want to know what I’m going to give them this year. But in sports it’s different: you can get millions for what you did a year, five years, even ten years ago, especially with a tradition-drunk, image-blinded organization like the Yankees. For that system, that retrograde ideology, I have nothing but contempt; but for an aging catcher who will probably be remembered in that organization as a tiny notch below Dickey and Berra and on the same plane as Howard and Munson for his position, he seems to have earned, at a minimum, a private hearing and judgment behind closed doors, and a reasonably graceful end.

  9. pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 4:34 AM

    No Pride? No doing a good job and knowing you are past your prime, Dimaggio knew it, Mantle knew it, Gehrig knew it. When the yankees look more at the Wall Street Journal than the Scouting Reports, you know it is time to rebuild. If it wasn’t for the home runs, they would be in a hell of a worse shape than they are in now. Face it they are fat cats. Rodguiez gets $32,000,000 a year. A teacher about $40,000 a year. Why should he “EARN” 800 times more than the teacher who teaches your children? $10.00 hotdogs? They cost the yanks less than .30 Am I the only one to see this crap? I checked some seat prices. Back of 1st base seats $2.500 a piece. For a 2 1/2 hour game that is $1,000 an hour to watch this. I remember watching the yankees free on tv and listening to them on radio. It has all been downhill since then. Minor league call ups get $400,000. What bull. I am thoroughly disgusted.

    • thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 5:47 AM

      Of course he should earn that money. He’s an entertainer creating value. When 50,000 people pay to show up to watch a high school teacher lecture we can talk, but who else should get ARod’s salary? The already wealthy owners who don’t have short careers, exceedingly rare skill-sets and physical tolls? The government??

      Perhaps you believe games should be free, all of society should be equally compensated and communism should be imposed.

      The vast majority of us do not. If you don’t like that veteran players earn what the free market will allow — a right people of most professions from the day we leave college — don’t watch.

      • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 7:51 AM

        50,000 idiots show up to watch a 2 1/2 hour game? BULL! If you have kids, you want a teacher who is going to teach. What teacher you know gets $32,000,000 a year? This has gotten so far out of hand it is way past ridiculous. This is a f**king game. Either nature gave you the physical skills or it didn’t. Teachers are taught to teach and I pay $50,000 a year to put my kid through college. I want him to be better than me and he needs to learn the tools to start him on a career path that will help him grow. Ball players get worse with age not better. And most of them don’t go to college and if they can’t make it in the leagues they make it selling used cars.
        And If I want to watch Tom Hanks, I rent a $5.00 movie and don’t pay $2,500 for a seat to watch him strike out 3 times. I refuse to pay extortion to watch or hear something that for 40 years I watched and heard free with the fees being paid by commercials.
        What value does he create? Did he invent baseball? A way to get gasoline from seawater? Or maybe a cure for cancer? Of course not! His genes gave him a way to hit and play baseball. PERIOD! There is no value. When he stops playing there is no residue. There is nothing left. There is no by product. There is nothing. He “earned” or stole his money from the suckers and he is s++ting on his throne, laughing all the way to the bank.
        Hypercritic, games were free, but you are too young to remember. Players were glad to sign baseball cards or baseballs. I remember Girardi at an appearance charging $35.00 to sign baseballs and who the hell was girardi? And it wasn’t announced that he was going to charge to sign until YOU GOT TO THE GRAND OPENING HE WAS PLUGGING OF SOME STORE!
        These guys are so full of themselves they stink.
        And before you engage your mouth, trying put brain in gear, you have no idea what is communism. And don’t you dare say it was Russia, or China or North Korea or Cuba. You are completely unintelligent.
        I don’t watch, I dont pay exhorbiant fees to watch f**k ups or listen to arrogant broadcasters or know it alls. Unlike you I have experience and I know what is right and wrong. When I see Rodrigues pallying on the diamond with Warren Buffet, then it is not a game. There is no more spark, it is a business and the thrill of the game is GONE!
        I don’t know or care how much you make a year, but by GOD, whatever you learned, whereever you learned it, it didn’t sink into that thick skull of yours. Your comment was dribble from the word go. Go back and you will see, the owners always made money. It is the nature of the beast. But letting the inmates run the asylum like they do now is putrid. The players are not CEO’s doctors, scientists, entrepreneurs, they are athletes and tomorrow they are gone. They leave nothing behing. What is a world series NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. There is another one next year and probably a whole new team that has nothing to do with this year’s team. When I heard that rodrigues signed for $250,000,000 I knew the yankees were going to get him in the end as they were the only team that could actually afford him.
        And I got news for you, the yankees have been doing this for over 80 years. This exact same thing. Buying or trading for talent. Did you know that the yankees had on the table with the Boston Red Sox a deal to trade Joe Dimaggio for Ted Williams? It only fell apart at the last minute when the Red Sox wanted Berra thrown in. There never was loyalty to ball players or to teams and there still isn’t. Yet the fan is soaked and squeezed and made to pay for this garbage that is reported in the paper.
        The whole pay scale is wrong. If you don’t produce at your job, you are fired. No owner manager can afford to keep unproductive workers on the job. THAT IS INCENTIVE.
        Same thing here, so much for a single, so much for a double, rbi, so much less for an error, so much more for intangibles etc. So much for good innings, so much for bad innings. And watch what happens. When Posada gets to .150 and his salary is $25,000, he just says I quit and he is gone. If players want to make more money, they work harder at their skills and when they see that they are deteriorating, like DiMaggio, they quit.
        Mantle never wanted to completely rehab after his injuries. He lost his father who was always on his back and he was a boy in a man’s body. Had he taken care of himself, he might have had 10 years more in the big leagues and he blew it. Now if he was on a system of so much per home run……
        But you can look at Rizzutto and Berra. They invested wisely, Rizzutto didn’t make much money but when he died, he was worth a fortune. And you my young man, know nothing.

    • mrznyc - May 15, 2011 at 9:00 AM

      Simple solution – Figure out what percentage of your cable bill goes to sports, keep track of how much you spend on professional sports, how much you spend on hats and jerseys and the like – In short stop tossing your money into the Pro Sports kitty and go on down and give it to your kids teacher.

  10. pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 4:39 AM

    What does Posada want to do bat clean up? Do the class act. Resign immediately. Forfeit the rest of his salary or do restitution. Then being a baseball player means something. Jeter bitching about his contract. Give me just a million a year so I can watch these clowns. And Girardi, making excuses and not making the right decisions? Heads are going to roll….SOON!. This year was over a long time ago.

    • thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 5:51 AM

      Think he simply wants to bat in a position representative of his present skill level — seventh of eighth against righties? — and not be blindsided with the nine slot at 4pm on game day after 15 years.

      Who are you asking to resign? Girardi? I’m sure all of New York would be pleased, but that doesn’t seem likely.

      • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 8:17 AM

        About 2/3 of the team should resign. The lethargy with which they play the game is boring. Men on 1 and 2 no outs gardner up, yanks down one and gardner doesn’t bunt. DP.
        Two inning later, 1 on, yanks down two, one out, garner bunts. F*** this S***. And how much is Girardi making?
        Poada has enough stock certificates to paper his whole house. Better to go out with dignity and NOW!

      • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 8:45 AM

        Exactly what skill level does a .150 batting average player have?

      • paperlions - May 15, 2011 at 10:46 AM

        Actually, Andrew Jones and Gustavo Molina are the only Yankees to perform more poorly thus far than Posada. Pride has it’s place, but so does humility and accurate self-evaluation. With his horrible performance this year, he has earned the 9th spot in the lineup. No one said it was permanent, all Posada had to do was keep his mouth shut and go play a game. If his skill warrants being moved back up in the order, then he would have been. He is being paid a lot of money (>$80,000/game) to play 1/2 game (as he can’t play serviceable defense at any position). Is it that hard to have perspective?
        .
        The Yankees have shown him a great deal of respect, but that kind of respect can not out weigh the primary goal of winning.
        .
        As far as Cashman (or the Yankee FO in general) goes, if an employee that I had shown so much respect for and had knowingly over-paid to show that respect decided that he didn’t want to do his job…I sure as hell would have honestly answered questions about it.
        .
        …..all Posada had to do was keep his mouth shut and try to hit a baseball…..apparently each of those skills are challenging for him at this stage of his career.

  11. pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 5:15 AM

    Steve Broas and Players Rights. WHAT BUL***IT!. What about the fan’s rights??????? The players were making a good living and what makes them so much better than the fans? They wanted to be baseball players, make the show, have the opportunity to be in the spot light and make a very good living. If they were intelligent, invest, get endorsements and put something away when they retired. Some made great lives out of it. Now that a .250 hitter or 4.74 era pitcher can command millions, its the fan who is getting cheated. $10 hotdogs, special tv station, special radio station and $100 for a signed ball. This is all garbage and the teams are not getting my money. P.T. Barnum was right there is a sucker born every minute and the ball parks are filled with them. The greedy owners and players are definitely taking advantage of them. You take that $4,000,000 salary after takes$2,500,000 or so and stick it somewhere at 6% and that player has a nice cushion of $150,000 a year to sit his ass on and never do an honest day’s work again.

    • thehypercritic - May 15, 2011 at 5:55 AM

      Are you being forced to watch to attend games??? If you don’t like the price of entertainment, don’t go.

      Yes, despite the fact players have a very hard job you think you’d like, they’re human beings.

      And you are not a fan in this equation. You are a consumer. And unless a sizable group of consumers stops patronizing the game, there is no reason to change anything.

      • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 8:40 AM

        Numbskull, you don’t read very well and you have a terrible command of the human language. A consumer is one tho consumes, uses. I have refused to consume or use any yankee product since they took the games off the tv and radio. I don’t attend the games, don’t chomp on their 10 dollar hotdogs, don’t pay the inflated ticket prices or pay for the specail tv hookup or radio broadcasts. SHOW ME WHAT I CONSUME OF THE YANKEES?
        Now I will teach you the definition of a fan: an ardent devotee. Since many, many years before you were born and just when baseball games went on tv I became a fan as I lived near NYC and the game of baseball was on radio and then on tv. I have always loved the game. I don’t have the skills but I had a bat, a ball, a glove and some friends. So I was and am a fan of the game but not a fan of the major leagues.
        You see numbskull, there has to be a relationship between fan and consumer. And I choose not to have that relationship. You can go and spend the $2,500 for a seat and wolf down the $10,00 hot dogs and I will read the news on the computer. I put the $5,000 or so in my pocket as I will not go with my wife or son and piss that money in the East River. I have a hell of a lot more use for it. I can send my son to study in Italy. Take a cruise in the Bahamas, or send in a check for the damned in the South caused by the tornados. That will give me more satisifaction than seeing Posada strike out three times in person.

      • JBerardi - May 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM

        “Numbskull, you don’t read very well and you have a terrible command of the human language.

        You mean… love?

  12. pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 5:37 AM

    Any of you young ones remember watching Phil Rizzuto? Now there was a class act. A great player who stretched his skills and never made it to the hall of fame as a player, but he had desire. He played every game with skill and determination. Same for Kubeck and Richardson, watching those two play, you felt a pride and saw a zest for the game. Today, all you see are the players going through the motions. The Yankees begged Kubeck and Richardson who were not great hitters not to retire in the same year so they could bring up players to take their places. Now we beg players to go away. And I can look at the yankees and see several I would like to see just disappear. I know it is not going to change and I saw the best and enjoyed the great spirit with which the game was played and rely on those memories. What I see and hear today, is just vomit.

    • JBerardi - May 15, 2011 at 9:10 AM

      GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMN KIDS!

    • Glenn - May 15, 2011 at 10:07 AM

      Phil Rizzuto is in the Hall of Fame as a player. And by the way, the Yankees cut him in a humiliating way in the middle of the season. He was called into GM’s office and asked who should be cut to make room for the recently acquired Enos Slaughter. Every suggestion was denied before Rizzuto realized that he was to be cut. Nice, huh?

  13. 1historian - May 15, 2011 at 7:03 AM

    Q: If Bill (BOOO!!!! HISSS!!!!) Belichik were running this team how many of these guys would even BE on that team? Just wondering.

    Why do they stick around so long? Let’s try this – Jeter has a 3 year contract during which he’ll get somewhere around $50,000,000.

    duhhh

  14. 1historian - May 15, 2011 at 7:07 AM

    You sign away your ‘fan’s rights’ when you pay $50 for a ticket and $10 for a hot dog. Once they have your money they don’t give a s..t about you. If you wanna sit there and go ‘boooo!’ go for it – THEY DON’T CARE.

    • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 8:13 AM

      Exactly correct. And until the stupid fan stops buying the tickets, the owners are going to realize thst the fan’s IQ just went up 100 points.

    • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 9:00 AM

      If you buy a $50 ticket, you better spend $200 on binoculars.

  15. Paul White - May 15, 2011 at 7:49 AM

    Hurting Posada’s case even further was his decision to do this on a day when the Yankees were playing their biggest rival, who happened to have their captain, a 39-year old over-the-hill backup catcher, batting ninth without complaint. (And, FWIW, having a pretty good game.) This situation would have blown up into a huge story anyway, but the stark contrast across the diamond certainly isn’t helping his case.

    • yankeesfanlen - May 15, 2011 at 10:22 AM

      Now, here’s a sensible opinion.

  16. George - May 15, 2011 at 7:55 AM

    Wow, I hadn’t previously appreciated the extent to which the quality of the HBT commentariat declines on weekends. This is like reading the transcript of an east coast sports radio show.

    • paperlions - May 15, 2011 at 10:50 AM

      I thought the exact same thing….for a minute, I thought I was on a different site.

  17. Delicious Cake - May 15, 2011 at 8:52 AM

    PJMarn6 amazes me with his inane ranting. Either he’s a very dedicated troll, or he’s in need of a diaper change and a game of bingo.

    • pjmarn6 - May 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM

      Cake when you have the experience and can do the research into the game’s origins and histories, then perhaps you can realize what is going on today. I get more fun out of going to the parks and watching the enthusiasm in the little league games than what is reported on the news. Jeter bitching about making $50,000,000. Posada hitting .150 on a $13,000,000 contract. Looking up the salaries on the first year rookies and seeing $400,000-$500,000. Seeing a pitcher with a close to 5.00 era getting $5,000,000.
      Then do some research. I know your skills are limited to critcism and not learning and look at what these great ex ballplayers are doing now, with all those millions they earned, insurance salesmen, Lenny Dykstra’s in jail, Killebrew unfortunately is dying and will never see a penny of his reitrement pay, Mantle went bust in so many businesses. And it goes on and on. Cake when you get a majority in congress and can repeal the constitution you can tell me that I can’t complain about the s**t going on now, you can have your way and tell me what you want me to say about this ridiculous salary level. The rest of your raving makes no sense probably because your education and experience level is so far beneath mine as is your mental age. You have no idea how the game began or how the teams were formed or why or how the players originally were recruited. (HINT LOOK IT UP ON THE NET). A troll has nothing to do with baseball or its finer points. But if you want to be a troll and sit in a swedish cave and have a satellite pump in some baseball games and pay for the hook up, electricity and heat in you ultramodern cave, go ahead. You like to pay $2,500 a seat for a baseball game, go ahead. There are plenty, You want to wolf down $10.00 hot dogs and beers, I am sure the yankees and other teams will gladly take your money to pay their 5.00 era pitchers $5,000,000. And they will count their money and laugh up their sleeves at you, saying we got another live one!
      And if you can’t see the economics of this country and figure out why in 10 years we will be paying $10.00 a gallon for gasoline, then look back and wonder gee if it wasn’t that $2,500 I paid for a base ball seat that lead them to take more advantage of me and let them charge me all that money to fill up my tank. Then when you worry about your pension and health care, you wouldn’t have to worry about listening to the games on radio or tv, as you wouldn’t have the money! And in your nursing home you can play bingo and press the button for the nurse and come change YOUR diaper.
      By that time, the drugs you are taking will have made you incoherent anyhow if there is anything left in the health care fund to take care of you, you will not have the ability to worry about it. You see, you spent it all on that stupid game you paid $2,500 a seat for. No money left over for your pension/health care plan.

      • Delicious Cake - May 15, 2011 at 10:06 AM

        What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  18. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - May 15, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    I still don’t get why they don’t let the guy catch once a week. Or at least let him catch a game or two to see if that jump starts his bat. He was the starting catcher last year. Why is it that now they won’t let him catch a single game? He is no worse defensively than the two guys the Red Sox are starting…

  19. yankeesfanlen - May 15, 2011 at 10:31 AM

    I notice that Yankee-haters are out in full force, on what will ultimately be determined to be a somewhat embarrassing internal matter.
    Now, has anyone who has ever had a boss can relate to- Did you ever go into that boss’ office right before your scheuled time and say “I don’t want to do my job today” and not add “because…..[insert cockamamie reason here]…? The boss would roll his eyes and say okay.
    I tend toward believing the :hissy fit” story.

    • paperlions - May 15, 2011 at 10:52 AM

      It isn’t Yankee hate Len, this type of response from fans would have occurred if the same thing occurred on any other team…the only difference here is that some people are defending Posada for doing something that is indefensible.

    • pisano - May 15, 2011 at 11:47 AM

      yankeesfanlen… I’m like you and my pal uyf1950, I love the Yankees, but they need to make changes, and fast if they want to make the post season.The pitching was supposed to be suspect, but it’s holding it’s own. As I’ve stated previously the only two that seem to be able to be counted on are Granderson and Cano. Arod, Swisher, Tex, and obviously Posada can’t hit their ass with both hands. I hate to say this, but one of the genius Boston fans predicted the Yankees for third place and it looks more and more that he might be right. They need to make some changes fast. While I’m on the subject of changes Andruw Jones needs to go also, he’s another strike out machine, why they didn’t resign Thames was beyond me. They said he was a terrible fielder, I say I’d take my chances with him rather than Jones who can field, but can’t hit. Cashman had better get on the phone and try to make some trades if possible, because it could get ugly for the Yankees .

  20. dutchman1350 - May 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    For a player that showed and demanded much pride, Jorge needs to evaluate his value on the roster.

    Like most stadiums the attendance is falling, and so will the salaries.

  21. spudchukar - May 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

    Losing brings out the best in people, doesn’t it?

    • paperlions - May 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM

      It does show you who people really are…..good and bad.

  22. 27xwschamps - May 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM

    Ur 39 yrs old !!! Makin 13M…hittin .163 dont want 2 hit 9th.. Get a different job

    • pisano - May 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

      Partner, I think that says it all. Good post

  23. jjeh1 - May 15, 2011 at 4:17 PM

    As a Yankees fan, I have liked Jorge for a long time. But I think you only get to play the “what I’ve meant to the team over the years” card once in a big way…and both Posada and Jeter chose to do that in going after the big bucks at contract time. Now that you got the “respect” from the team in a big contract payoff (that let’s be honest, no other team was going to give you so that bluff wasn’t ever going to work), you don’t get to have a fit over your treatment when you don’t produce.

    Perhaps Girardi could have been more sensitive in how he told Jorge (and who knows, none of us was there), but still its tough to carry a DH batting 165 when the rest of the team is also in a slump. So the argument that “other guys are also having a tough time” makes Posada’s argument weaker, not stronger.

  24. shaggytoodle - May 15, 2011 at 8:46 PM

    When your paid over 71,000 dollars a game you do whats asked of you.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - May 17, 2011 at 2:47 PM

      When you’re a professional, you do what’s asked of you.

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