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The Aroldis Chapman horror show continues

May 16, 2011, 9:34 AM EDT


I was going to say “lost in the Reds’ win yesterday …” but I don’t think this was really lost on anyone: Aroldis Chapman came into the game with a seven-run lead in the ninth inning yesterday, faced five batters, walked four of them and all of them came around to score.

He threw only five strikes in his 23 pitches and he has now walked 12 guys in his last one and one-third  innings of work. While the pitches aren’t exactly going to the screen, we’re approaching Steve Blass/Rick Ankiel territory here.
In recent days, Dusty Baker has dismissed the notion of sending Chapman down to Louisville to work on his issues.  That stance can’t hold much longer can it?  The Reds are winning, but eventually they’ll be in closer games where the pen will be the difference.  You can’t wait on him to find his radar lock forever.
  1. phukyouk - May 16, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    just out of curiosity is he still hitting 100+ on the guns?

  2. metalhead65 - May 16, 2011 at 10:09 AM

    Craig,the only thing lost in the reds victory was Brandon Phillips once again being proven right about his comment on the cards being whiny bitches. they lost the game and series but were crying that king albert was being hit on purpose? go to a cards blog today and read where the so called best and most knowledgeable fans agree with that thought and it makes you wonder how they got that reputation. he was ahead in the count 0-2 and trying to get out of the jam chapman put them in and he is going to hit king albert to face 2 of the best hitters in the national league?one of which has hit more homers in cincy than any other player?. this is the reason reds fans hate the cardnials and thier fans. once again they show thier double standard when it comes to that team. it is ok for thier pitcher to hit the reds starting catcher in the wrist fri. and nothing is said but a reds pitcher has 1 get away in a situation he can’t afford for it to happen and it is intentional? and he is supposed to stand thier and take abuse from a bench coach and a third string catcher? the guy who got hit knows it was not on purpose but the rest of those clowns have to mouth off? you lost and no longer own the reds deal with it!

    • paperlions - May 16, 2011 at 10:27 AM

      I’d love to know what blog you are talking about. At Viva El Birdos EVERYONE agreed that there was no way Pujols was hit on purpose and that Cordero just looked very shaky

      • metalhead65 - May 16, 2011 at 11:14 AM

        post dispatch, and jeff gordon’s column where he whines about cordero celebrating finally getting out of the jam.

      • paperlions - May 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM

        Try not to judge us based on columnists or “fans” that post on the PD website. I can’t even read the comments sections there…they are embarrassing.
        If you go to a site populated by actual fans (not homer trolls), you’ll see that everyone knew when it happened that it was unintentional. Freese was just sent to the DL not long ago with a broken hand from a similar incident, which I’m sure contributed to some of the player/coaches touchy responses.

    • cintiphil - May 16, 2011 at 11:36 AM

      Hey meatball, listen up. Sorry I could not go to any of the games this week end, bnut the bad weather kept me home to watch on T-V. I know it is nice to win, but the Reds have little reason to celebrate these victories. It was very evident to me that the Cardinals threw away the game on Friday, and the Sunday game was a joke on both ends. If the Reds are to win anything, they must get Chapman back again. They need pitching and are not getting it now.I was happy the won, but not the way they did it. When the play Philly or Fla. again, they will need a much better game.

      • metalhead65 - May 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM

        are you sure you watched any of the games? the reds are not getting pitching?did you miss cuteo pitching? aside from 2 pitches yest. wood looked pretty good for 6 innings and with the exception of the chapmann implosion yesterday the relief looked great to. toss in the fact the reds swept their arch rivals for the first time in 5 years I would say yea they had reason to celebrate. and if you don’t agree then you are not much of a reds fan.

  3. pmcenroe - May 16, 2011 at 10:51 AM

    uh oh might have been that pepto bismol commcerial. we all remember what happened to Eric Gagne’s career after his futile attempts to throw changeups through those garbage bags…

  4. cintiphil - May 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM

    Sorry meatball, the Reds had one game with very good pitching, and two others with so-so to very bad pitching. So if they can win one out of three, is that good? Besides, I made the comment that they have to get something out of Chapman, or the other two set up men will run out of steam by Sept. I don’t think you got that. And as much as I like Francisco, he has to be a little more reliable than hitting batters when coming in for the save, whether is is an accident or not. So far so good for his saves to date, but he does not look as commanding as he did in past years. Besides all of this, I have been watching the Reds for a long time, and I don’t hate the Cardinals, we old timers just want to win against them.

    • Rollie - May 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM

      Cordero came in and did his job, got us out of Chapman’s jam. He has looked VERY sharp so far this year minus a handful of pitches. I agree with Meatalhead, you must be watching some other team or something. Arroyo gave the Reds another solid outing and the bullpen shut the cards down. Cueto could and should have had a CG shutout but two errors forced him out of the game. Bullpen shut them down. Yesterday Travis Wood gave the Reds a strong outing and it should have been over, but for Chapman’s control issues. Besides that though the bullpen shut them down. Cordero almost always gives up a hit or a walk, he gave up a double that scored runners that Chapman left on base so those werent his fault. Yes that one pitch got away from him, but he is still one of the top closers in not only the NL but in the MLB. I would think that an “old timer” like you would be more supportive of your “long time” team.

    • metalhead65 - May 16, 2011 at 1:56 PM

      I am 52 years old and been a reds fan all my life and you do not sound like much of one to me. if you can’t see that the reds had strong pitching this series then you are hopeless. as long time reds fan you would know that the dodgers were the reds arch rivals until they were moved to the central division. this has become a rivalry now because the reds have become a good team for the first time in years and the cards do not like that fact. as for chapman the best thing for him would be to send him down and put in him the rotation and leave him down until he learns how to harness his stuff. if that means next year or 2 then so be it but he can’t be rushed again.he was made a reliever because the reds needed help in the pen then but not so much now. this old timer hates the cardinals because of their arrogance and constant whining when things do not go their way.

      • spudchukar - May 16, 2011 at 3:01 PM

        Anytime you give up 5,3, and 7 runs at home in a key series you cannot say your pitching was good. You can point to some bright spots, but to collectively suggest you are pleased with your pitching in this series is whistling in the dark. Let me be clear, ours was worse, considerably worse, with Lohse being the only bright spot. It is hard to make Votto look bad and Lohse sure did. Cueto’s outing has to be encouraging, but had the Cards’ hitters shown even the slightest patience, another 5 walks, with the subsequent pitching from the stretch, could have made his day much more uncomfortable. To the victors goes the spoils, and the Reds regained the momentum in the NL Central. I for one come away from the series disappointed, but still encouraged. I have believed from the outset of the season the Reds starting pitching is questionable, and leaving Cincinnati I still am not convinced it is good enough to run away with the division. And lastly, our biases certainly taint our opinions, however the notion that Arroyo had a “good outing” is delusional.

      • Rollie - May 16, 2011 at 3:24 PM

        Spud- Not trying to fight you on this one, but you’re wrong…. Bronson Arroyo went 6 innings and gave up 3 earned runs. That qualifies as a “quality start.” He had 2 perfect innings retiring the side 1, 2, 3. And 2 nearly perfect innings in which he faced only one additional batter, And then the two scoring innings. But, as I said before, 6 innings of 4 run baseball of which only 3 were earned, qualifies as a quality start. I am always pleased with a quality start from a pitcher, and if you aren’t… well, to quote you, you’re “delusional.” Can’t wait for the next series against you guys and I hope Pujols will turn his offense around so ya’ll can give us more of a match in July. 😉

      • Rollie - May 16, 2011 at 3:32 PM

        And, ya know, speaking of quality starts, I may as well mention that all three Reds’ pitchers went out and threw one over the weekend.

      • spudchukar - May 16, 2011 at 5:46 PM

        All I hope is at that in the early July series, all three of your starters pitch with the same “quality” as Arroyo did in last Friday’s game.

  5. cintiphil - May 16, 2011 at 2:14 PM

    You obviously are a homer and not looking at this very objectively. What happened with Fla? The Cards are not (NOT) in contention this year, regardless of their lineup. They play with the Reds in a weak division and will not do well against the best teams in the NL. If they were playing the Phillies, they would have lost at least two of the three games playing the way they did this week-end (at home). Arroyo stunk up the place on Friday and would have been gone in 4 if the Cardinals were any good at all.

    The Reds are competitive against the Central division, will not do well against the best teams in the East or maybe even the Rockies. Watch and learn.

  6. sportsfreak61787 - May 16, 2011 at 9:08 PM

    hey rollie ur wrong, officially a quality start is 6 innings of
    3 run baseball weather its earned runs or not. so no arroyo didnt have a quality start

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