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	<title>Comments on: Bryan Stow&#8217;s family to sue the Dodgers</title>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/24/bryan-stows-family-to-sue-the-dodgers/comment-page-1/#comment-142430</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 06:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry that facts and statistics get in the way of your racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that facts and statistics get in the way of your racism.</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purdueman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Bleeding Heart Left Wing Liberal: Just what color is the sky in your little Utopian world today?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bleeding Heart Left Wing Liberal: Just what color is the sky in your little Utopian world today?</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, what?  You are bashing on blacks, Mexicans and Vietnamese.  But the topic was illegal immigrants. I do not think there is any large black or vietnamese illegal immigrant populations, but as you point out they do have gang violence.  Most poor communities do.  Try the trailer parks of the south, or the poor communities of Appalacia.  Plenty of crime and drugs.

Most violence such as you mention is tied to economic conditions, not race or legal/illegal status.  Thats has been validated by study after study, and I&#039;ll take the studies word over yours.

That you hear more about various minority groups speaks more to individual groups economic status than thier race or immigrant status.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, what?  You are bashing on blacks, Mexicans and Vietnamese.  But the topic was illegal immigrants. I do not think there is any large black or vietnamese illegal immigrant populations, but as you point out they do have gang violence.  Most poor communities do.  Try the trailer parks of the south, or the poor communities of Appalacia.  Plenty of crime and drugs.</p>
<p>Most violence such as you mention is tied to economic conditions, not race or legal/illegal status.  Thats has been validated by study after study, and I&#8217;ll take the studies word over yours.</p>
<p>That you hear more about various minority groups speaks more to individual groups economic status than thier race or immigrant status.</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purdueman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 00:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how to take  your post (that is, are you for or against Bryan? making others aware that he has a criminal past would indicate against, but posting the family&#039;s plea would indicate that you are for).

That aside, only the &quot;wallflowers&quot;, nerds, bookworms and religious nuts who I grew up with in high school don&#039;t have something in their past that they hope will never become public; the difference is, some of us got caught, but most of us didn&#039;t.

Why do you think that we as a country continue to wind up with so many inept politicians?  It&#039;s because any of us who were adventurous or risk takers growing up don&#039;t want the media to dig up something from our distant past and have it wind up on the front page of supermarket tabloid.  Only idiots like Dan Quayle have nothing to hide, because they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and have lived very cloistered lives.

No matter what this guys background is, it certainly doesn&#039;t warrant being beat into a coma 3 on 1 simply for wearing another teams garb to another ballpark or stadium.  We are after all only talking about a game you know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how to take  your post (that is, are you for or against Bryan? making others aware that he has a criminal past would indicate against, but posting the family&#8217;s plea would indicate that you are for).</p>
<p>That aside, only the &#8220;wallflowers&#8221;, nerds, bookworms and religious nuts who I grew up with in high school don&#8217;t have something in their past that they hope will never become public; the difference is, some of us got caught, but most of us didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Why do you think that we as a country continue to wind up with so many inept politicians?  It&#8217;s because any of us who were adventurous or risk takers growing up don&#8217;t want the media to dig up something from our distant past and have it wind up on the front page of supermarket tabloid.  Only idiots like Dan Quayle have nothing to hide, because they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and have lived very cloistered lives.</p>
<p>No matter what this guys background is, it certainly doesn&#8217;t warrant being beat into a coma 3 on 1 simply for wearing another teams garb to another ballpark or stadium.  We are after all only talking about a game you know.</p>
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		<title>By: lowfund</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 00:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Family admits Bryan Stow has Criminal Past

In response to rumors circulating about Bryan Stow’s violent past and criminal history the Stow Family posted the following comment on the Bryan Stow Fund website:

“News &amp; Updates  Sunday, May 22, 2011

‘there has been comments and postings regarding Bryan&#039;s past. Bryan was not perfect...nobody is. In the years since, Bryan turned his life around. Regardless of his history, we ask that everyone refrain from posting any judgmental comments. Please be aware that we will delete ANY negative comment. Don&#039;t forget to visit the store to show your support! ‘

Dave, Ann, Erin and Bonnie

Send your love&gt;&gt;”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Family admits Bryan Stow has Criminal Past</p>
<p>In response to rumors circulating about Bryan Stow’s violent past and criminal history the Stow Family posted the following comment on the Bryan Stow Fund website:</p>
<p>“News &amp; Updates  Sunday, May 22, 2011</p>
<p>‘there has been comments and postings regarding Bryan&#8217;s past. Bryan was not perfect&#8230;nobody is. In the years since, Bryan turned his life around. Regardless of his history, we ask that everyone refrain from posting any judgmental comments. Please be aware that we will delete ANY negative comment. Don&#8217;t forget to visit the store to show your support! ‘</p>
<p>Dave, Ann, Erin and Bonnie</p>
<p>Send your love&gt;&gt;”</p>
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		<title>By: sawxalicious</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sawxalicious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 01:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bicepts:

I am no apologist for illegal immigration (hate it) and will never be a member of the PC Police (hate them).  However, your INS comment erodes the credibility of your other comments.  Yes, there are a lot of gangs in the Los Angeles area.  Yes, many of the gang members are hispanic.  I get that.  What I don&#039;t get is how you automatically make the leap to assume that a-hole at ballpark + L.A. = illegal immigrant.  LA is plenty good at raising thugs from its own indiginous population.  Most of the illegal immigrants come to make a living at a decent wage (though I would prefer they did it the legal way that my grandparents chose).  Your comments makes you appear less than intelligent or ignorant (I prefer this word to racist, which I feel is overused).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bicepts:</p>
<p>I am no apologist for illegal immigration (hate it) and will never be a member of the PC Police (hate them).  However, your INS comment erodes the credibility of your other comments.  Yes, there are a lot of gangs in the Los Angeles area.  Yes, many of the gang members are hispanic.  I get that.  What I don&#8217;t get is how you automatically make the leap to assume that a-hole at ballpark + L.A. = illegal immigrant.  LA is plenty good at raising thugs from its own indiginous population.  Most of the illegal immigrants come to make a living at a decent wage (though I would prefer they did it the legal way that my grandparents chose).  Your comments makes you appear less than intelligent or ignorant (I prefer this word to racist, which I feel is overused).</p>
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		<title>By: sawxalicious</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sawxalicious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 01:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also hope that the Dodgers don&#039;t get taken to the cleaners and don&#039;t normally like lawsuits suing and indirect participant, but a message needs to be sent.  Baseball games are supposed to be safe places to take your kids and have a good time.  The Dodgers owners/marketers need to get their collective heads out of their wallets and understand that people are paying good money for entertainment, not to be beat up or bullied.  I live in the Chicago area and sometimes go to U.S. Cellular field.  The ballpark itself and the parking lot feel very safe and there are always a lot of security/police presence.  That is until one leaves those areas, then you realize the ballpark was built in the armpit of the city.  My point being, the White Sox built a park in a terrible neighborhood, yet make strides to successfully address security issues.  The Dodgers ownership sounds like they were asleep at the wheel.  While the guy the LAPD arrested caused this tragedy, the Dodgers management set the stage.  Additionally, I think their team stinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also hope that the Dodgers don&#8217;t get taken to the cleaners and don&#8217;t normally like lawsuits suing and indirect participant, but a message needs to be sent.  Baseball games are supposed to be safe places to take your kids and have a good time.  The Dodgers owners/marketers need to get their collective heads out of their wallets and understand that people are paying good money for entertainment, not to be beat up or bullied.  I live in the Chicago area and sometimes go to U.S. Cellular field.  The ballpark itself and the parking lot feel very safe and there are always a lot of security/police presence.  That is until one leaves those areas, then you realize the ballpark was built in the armpit of the city.  My point being, the White Sox built a park in a terrible neighborhood, yet make strides to successfully address security issues.  The Dodgers ownership sounds like they were asleep at the wheel.  While the guy the LAPD arrested caused this tragedy, the Dodgers management set the stage.  Additionally, I think their team stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: jimeejohnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 00:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Right Wing Nut: 4 more years!  You useful idiot Republicans vote against your own interests, unless of course you are a rich/corporate elite or shill (useful idiot).  You twist words around to suit a reactionary agenda where hate and paranoia lay just below the surface but not quite far enough to fool some of the people all of the time.  The point about &quot;flying under the radar&quot; was used to support the view that illegal immigrant communities avoid doing anything that would bring undue attention upon themselves.  Blame those who taught you how to read, though: it&#039;s the right wing NUT way!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Right Wing Nut: 4 more years!  You useful idiot Republicans vote against your own interests, unless of course you are a rich/corporate elite or shill (useful idiot).  You twist words around to suit a reactionary agenda where hate and paranoia lay just below the surface but not quite far enough to fool some of the people all of the time.  The point about &#8220;flying under the radar&#8221; was used to support the view that illegal immigrant communities avoid doing anything that would bring undue attention upon themselves.  Blame those who taught you how to read, though: it&#8217;s the right wing NUT way!</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purdueman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 23:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[baseb... The only part of your post I would change is that instead of reading &quot;this incident is a baseball issue&quot;, to &quot;this incident SHOULDN&#039;T be a baseball issue&quot; but due to negligence of Dodger owners the Mc Brokes unfortunately have made it one.

I can&#039;t think of any other MLB team where the owner owns both the stadium AND the surrounding parking lot (Wrigley Field and I believe Fenway Park are privately owned by the teams owners, however, there aren&#039;t any associated parking lots that go with them); that makes this exclusively a Dodgers issue.

On Chicago&#039;s south side, the city owns the parking lots surrounding US Cellular Field and the parking lots been free of any major incidents since it opened 20 years ago because the city has ALWAYS had a strong show of police, including cops on bicycles and horseback that can quickly get to any potential incident.

The LA gang issue being at Dodger Stadium is also exclusively a Dodgers issue, as teams do have a lot of control over who they market and cater to.  Al Davis loves his Raiders gang banger/tough guy image, and that&#039;s why he draws the type of scum to Raider games that he does.

The growing security problem at Dodger Stadium was certainly obvious to anyone who even went there periodically, yet the Dodgers simply looked the other way as it was all about the profits.  Hopefully the courts will force a change in Dodger ownership soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>baseb&#8230; The only part of your post I would change is that instead of reading &#8220;this incident is a baseball issue&#8221;, to &#8220;this incident SHOULDN&#8217;T be a baseball issue&#8221; but due to negligence of Dodger owners the Mc Brokes unfortunately have made it one.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of any other MLB team where the owner owns both the stadium AND the surrounding parking lot (Wrigley Field and I believe Fenway Park are privately owned by the teams owners, however, there aren&#8217;t any associated parking lots that go with them); that makes this exclusively a Dodgers issue.</p>
<p>On Chicago&#8217;s south side, the city owns the parking lots surrounding US Cellular Field and the parking lots been free of any major incidents since it opened 20 years ago because the city has ALWAYS had a strong show of police, including cops on bicycles and horseback that can quickly get to any potential incident.</p>
<p>The LA gang issue being at Dodger Stadium is also exclusively a Dodgers issue, as teams do have a lot of control over who they market and cater to.  Al Davis loves his Raiders gang banger/tough guy image, and that&#8217;s why he draws the type of scum to Raider games that he does.</p>
<p>The growing security problem at Dodger Stadium was certainly obvious to anyone who even went there periodically, yet the Dodgers simply looked the other way as it was all about the profits.  Hopefully the courts will force a change in Dodger ownership soon.</p>
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		<title>By: rotaryfone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rotaryfone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 23:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the criminal element at Dodger Stadium is made up entirely of illegal aliens, is what you&#039;re saying? There&#039;s no way this beautiful country of ours could turn out any classless thugs or brutish gang members? Golly, I bet they don&#039;t even stand for the national anthem!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the criminal element at Dodger Stadium is made up entirely of illegal aliens, is what you&#8217;re saying? There&#8217;s no way this beautiful country of ours could turn out any classless thugs or brutish gang members? Golly, I bet they don&#8217;t even stand for the national anthem!</p>
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		<title>By: bigdicktater</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigdicktater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;cup0pizza&#039;,  that&#039;s funny, I don&#039;t care where you&#039;re from!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;cup0pizza&#8217;,  that&#8217;s funny, I don&#8217;t care where you&#8217;re from!</p>
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		<title>By: baseballstars</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baseballstars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, trevorb06. Also, it irks me when people say this incident is a &quot;baseball issue.&quot; No, it&#039;s an LA gang issue that happened to take place at a baseball game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, trevorb06. Also, it irks me when people say this incident is a &#8220;baseball issue.&#8221; No, it&#8217;s an LA gang issue that happened to take place at a baseball game.</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purdueman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. left wing liberal, to your point, that&#039;s why the LAPD has their hands so full with mostly immigrant gang banger gangs, right?  I mean, isn&#039;t that &quot;flying under the radar&quot;, as you assert?

I guess everything that I read in the papers or see on the nightly news about the Vietnamese gangs that terrorize Garden Grove and Westminster and the black gangs that terrorize Compton and Stanton and the Mexican gangs that terrorize the Inland Empire must all be made up stories by the media?

I think that you should contact Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi&#039;s office and volunteer to help her with her possible upcoming Presidential bid (I hear that Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand are all already aboard!)!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. left wing liberal, to your point, that&#8217;s why the LAPD has their hands so full with mostly immigrant gang banger gangs, right?  I mean, isn&#8217;t that &#8220;flying under the radar&#8221;, as you assert?</p>
<p>I guess everything that I read in the papers or see on the nightly news about the Vietnamese gangs that terrorize Garden Grove and Westminster and the black gangs that terrorize Compton and Stanton and the Mexican gangs that terrorize the Inland Empire must all be made up stories by the media?</p>
<p>I think that you should contact Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s office and volunteer to help her with her possible upcoming Presidential bid (I hear that Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand are all already aboard!)!</p>
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		<title>By: thenoblebard93</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thenoblebard93]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been there done that.  The only memorable thing about philly watching to losers make out in some small park.  Nope...it&#039;s got nothing on the city by the bay  :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been there done that.  The only memorable thing about philly watching to losers make out in some small park.  Nope&#8230;it&#8217;s got nothing on the city by the bay  <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not just that, its also the fact that illegals as a community typically have lower crime rates overall.  After all, they try to fly under the radar, committing crime is a good way to get sent back home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not just that, its also the fact that illegals as a community typically have lower crime rates overall.  After all, they try to fly under the radar, committing crime is a good way to get sent back home.</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purdueman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard a live interview this afternoon with a trial lawyer on the Mason and Ireland Show here in LA and the lawyer said that in order for the Dodgers not to be held culpable there would have to be evidence that it was a mutually induced fight (i.e., both parties would have had to be willing participants).

Not only was the Giant fan followed from the stands, but he was then assaulted by THREE men, not just the guy charged with inflicting the most damage once the guy was down on the ground.

In addition, the mere fact that Frank Mc Broke fired the head of stadium security and his staff about a year prior to this incident and then didn&#039;t replace them smacks of irresponsibility on the part of Dodger management.

I don&#039;t get you bleeding heart liberals who think that he shouldn&#039;t sue.  When/if he&#039;ll ever be able to hold down a job again and provide for his family is still in serious doubt, and he will have lost at least a years salary while racking up what I&#039;m sure will be staggering medical/hospital bills.

I fully expect that his medical insurance company will also eventually file suit against the Dodgers in order to recover their losses (which are estimated to be approaching $1M at the LA Trauma Center Hospital alone), as well.

What further adds to the intrigue of this case is that Frank Mc Broke broke the Dodgers up into 26 different shell corporations (allegedly to hide the profits from his wife Jamie).  That means that the Dodger Stadium parking lot is owned by a shell corporation that Frank is Chairman of that&#039;s totally independent of the Dodgers baseball club.  Hmmmm....

The lawyer then went on to compare and contrast this case to another pending case in which a toddler got seriously injured from falling out of a luxury box at the Staples Center.  The lawyer said in that case, both the team and the arena will likely be indemnified with the company responsible for constructing the luxury boxes being held liable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a live interview this afternoon with a trial lawyer on the Mason and Ireland Show here in LA and the lawyer said that in order for the Dodgers not to be held culpable there would have to be evidence that it was a mutually induced fight (i.e., both parties would have had to be willing participants).</p>
<p>Not only was the Giant fan followed from the stands, but he was then assaulted by THREE men, not just the guy charged with inflicting the most damage once the guy was down on the ground.</p>
<p>In addition, the mere fact that Frank Mc Broke fired the head of stadium security and his staff about a year prior to this incident and then didn&#8217;t replace them smacks of irresponsibility on the part of Dodger management.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get you bleeding heart liberals who think that he shouldn&#8217;t sue.  When/if he&#8217;ll ever be able to hold down a job again and provide for his family is still in serious doubt, and he will have lost at least a years salary while racking up what I&#8217;m sure will be staggering medical/hospital bills.</p>
<p>I fully expect that his medical insurance company will also eventually file suit against the Dodgers in order to recover their losses (which are estimated to be approaching $1M at the LA Trauma Center Hospital alone), as well.</p>
<p>What further adds to the intrigue of this case is that Frank Mc Broke broke the Dodgers up into 26 different shell corporations (allegedly to hide the profits from his wife Jamie).  That means that the Dodger Stadium parking lot is owned by a shell corporation that Frank is Chairman of that&#8217;s totally independent of the Dodgers baseball club.  Hmmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>The lawyer then went on to compare and contrast this case to another pending case in which a toddler got seriously injured from falling out of a luxury box at the Staples Center.  The lawyer said in that case, both the team and the arena will likely be indemnified with the company responsible for constructing the luxury boxes being held liable.</p>
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		<title>By: shandbi</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[INS?  I didn&#039;t know that everyone who engages in altercations were here illegally?  Using good judgement, I would think that most are citizens...  Oh, wait, I said &#039;using good judgement&#039;...

Altercations at baseball games isn&#039;t something new.  Brian Stow is still alive.  A few years ago a dodger fan KILLED a Giants fan in the parking lot...KILLED.  

At baseball games at the &#039;Stick, in the 80&#039;s I saw savage beatings taking place but since there were such small crowds you could just move and get away from the altercation.  Sometimes the security would just let the idiots fight until they couldn&#039;t any more and then haul them off.  I&#039;ve seen fights at Yankee Stadium, Angels Stadium, Oakland Stadium, etc..., and I don&#039;t think the &#039;INS&#039; not the Nat&#039;l Guard (hahahahahahaha!  Nat&#039;l Guard!  Leave them out of this, they&#039;re too busy in Afghanistan) needed to be called for any of those incidents.

Passing judgement on ALL people of color is an ugly thing and unless you&#039;ve lived in their shoes you probably should keep your mouth shut.  You have NO precedence to judge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INS?  I didn&#8217;t know that everyone who engages in altercations were here illegally?  Using good judgement, I would think that most are citizens&#8230;  Oh, wait, I said &#8216;using good judgement&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>Altercations at baseball games isn&#8217;t something new.  Brian Stow is still alive.  A few years ago a dodger fan KILLED a Giants fan in the parking lot&#8230;KILLED.  </p>
<p>At baseball games at the &#8216;Stick, in the 80&#8242;s I saw savage beatings taking place but since there were such small crowds you could just move and get away from the altercation.  Sometimes the security would just let the idiots fight until they couldn&#8217;t any more and then haul them off.  I&#8217;ve seen fights at Yankee Stadium, Angels Stadium, Oakland Stadium, etc&#8230;, and I don&#8217;t think the &#8216;INS&#8217; not the Nat&#8217;l Guard (hahahahahahaha!  Nat&#8217;l Guard!  Leave them out of this, they&#8217;re too busy in Afghanistan) needed to be called for any of those incidents.</p>
<p>Passing judgement on ALL people of color is an ugly thing and unless you&#8217;ve lived in their shoes you probably should keep your mouth shut.  You have NO precedence to judge.</p>
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		<title>By: nixonotis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;bicepts; dude, please, I&#039;m trying to eat some soup here and it keeps spraying everywhere when I read this stuff. Well done keeping your temper with that jacka$$ &#039;pizza, btw. If anyone should be invited to eat a bag of d!cks it&#039;s him, the idiotic little twerp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;bicepts; dude, please, I&#8217;m trying to eat some soup here and it keeps spraying everywhere when I read this stuff. Well done keeping your temper with that jacka$$ &#8216;pizza, btw. If anyone should be invited to eat a bag of d!cks it&#8217;s him, the idiotic little twerp.</p>
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		<title>By: nixonotis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nixonotis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree 100% that a jury would be swayed by the severity of the beating.  My point wasn&#039;t that the severity of the injury would not have any effect on the trial, but that the fact that an injury this severe never occurred on Dodger property did not make these events any less foreseeable.  Florida727 was, I believe, making the point that because prior incidents have been less severe and because innocent people are not often beaten into comas at baseball games, the Dodgers cannot be liable.  That logic is, to me, completely nonsensical for reasons I was trying to outline above.  I get the impression that you thought my &quot;logic is flawed&quot; argument was in reference to your statement that the brutal nature of the beating would influence a jury, something with which I wholeheartedly agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% that a jury would be swayed by the severity of the beating.  My point wasn&#8217;t that the severity of the injury would not have any effect on the trial, but that the fact that an injury this severe never occurred on Dodger property did not make these events any less foreseeable.  Florida727 was, I believe, making the point that because prior incidents have been less severe and because innocent people are not often beaten into comas at baseball games, the Dodgers cannot be liable.  That logic is, to me, completely nonsensical for reasons I was trying to outline above.  I get the impression that you thought my &#8220;logic is flawed&#8221; argument was in reference to your statement that the brutal nature of the beating would influence a jury, something with which I wholeheartedly agree.</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s an old saying: &quot;You get what  you pay for&quot;.  Back in the days when parking in the Dodger Stadium lot was still a reasonable $5, one could argue that for that relatively small amount a reasonable person shouldn&#039;t expect anything more than a small staff of parking lot security people.

Now, however, with the soaring prices of parking at not only Dodger Stadium, but at many of the nations big city venues into the $15-$45 range, it seems to me like it&#039;s logical for those paying that price to expect that their cars won&#039;t be broken into or vandalized and that they won&#039;t get jumped go to/from the stadium entrances/exits.

If I were an attorney, I&#039;d further argue that due to the lack of available transportation to get to/from Dodger home games (i.e., no subway or rail lines), the Dodgers have an even bigger responsibility to make their parking lot safe, as it can&#039;t be argued that &quot;well, the fans made a conscious choice to drive and park in the stadium parking lot and as such assumed all of the inherent risks of doing so&quot;.

I used to take my family to several Dodger games every season, but we stopped going all together after one too many bad experience there where the candy stripers who the Dodgers called &quot;security&quot; couldn&#039;t have cared less about throwing out the morons in the stands.  We&#039;re not going back either, regardless of how much security the Dodgers deploy.

The ironic thing is that Dodger home attendance has been in free fall ever since they brought out a &quot;show of force&quot; after this incident (down around 7,000 per game now over last season).  Seems that the gang bangers now mostly avoid Dodger Stadium because they don&#039;t want to be around uniformed policemen (they might get recognized and busted on an outstanding warrant), and people like me have been SO turned off over the past 3-5 years that we&#039;re not coming back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an old saying: &#8220;You get what  you pay for&#8221;.  Back in the days when parking in the Dodger Stadium lot was still a reasonable $5, one could argue that for that relatively small amount a reasonable person shouldn&#8217;t expect anything more than a small staff of parking lot security people.</p>
<p>Now, however, with the soaring prices of parking at not only Dodger Stadium, but at many of the nations big city venues into the $15-$45 range, it seems to me like it&#8217;s logical for those paying that price to expect that their cars won&#8217;t be broken into or vandalized and that they won&#8217;t get jumped go to/from the stadium entrances/exits.</p>
<p>If I were an attorney, I&#8217;d further argue that due to the lack of available transportation to get to/from Dodger home games (i.e., no subway or rail lines), the Dodgers have an even bigger responsibility to make their parking lot safe, as it can&#8217;t be argued that &#8220;well, the fans made a conscious choice to drive and park in the stadium parking lot and as such assumed all of the inherent risks of doing so&#8221;.</p>
<p>I used to take my family to several Dodger games every season, but we stopped going all together after one too many bad experience there where the candy stripers who the Dodgers called &#8220;security&#8221; couldn&#8217;t have cared less about throwing out the morons in the stands.  We&#8217;re not going back either, regardless of how much security the Dodgers deploy.</p>
<p>The ironic thing is that Dodger home attendance has been in free fall ever since they brought out a &#8220;show of force&#8221; after this incident (down around 7,000 per game now over last season).  Seems that the gang bangers now mostly avoid Dodger Stadium because they don&#8217;t want to be around uniformed policemen (they might get recognized and busted on an outstanding warrant), and people like me have been SO turned off over the past 3-5 years that we&#8217;re not coming back.</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purdueman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t hope that the Dodgers get taken to the cleaners on this, but I do hope that there&#039;s a huge judgement rendered against to Mc Brokes, who as the acting Executive/Owners made a conscious decision to up their profits by drastically scaling back security (for those of you who may not be following this, after Frank fired Jamie, over about a  years time he fired everyone who she had hired or was friendly towards.  That included the head of stadium security and his staff, and then none of these people were replaced).

Of course, a summary judgement against the Mc Broke&#039;s might be about as collectible  as Fred Goldman&#039;s summary judgement against OJ Simpson too! 

The best thing for the judge to do in what should be an open and shut case would be to award the victim one of the several mansions the Mc Broke&#039;s bought with Dodger team money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t hope that the Dodgers get taken to the cleaners on this, but I do hope that there&#8217;s a huge judgement rendered against to Mc Brokes, who as the acting Executive/Owners made a conscious decision to up their profits by drastically scaling back security (for those of you who may not be following this, after Frank fired Jamie, over about a  years time he fired everyone who she had hired or was friendly towards.  That included the head of stadium security and his staff, and then none of these people were replaced).</p>
<p>Of course, a summary judgement against the Mc Broke&#8217;s might be about as collectible  as Fred Goldman&#8217;s summary judgement against OJ Simpson too! </p>
<p>The best thing for the judge to do in what should be an open and shut case would be to award the victim one of the several mansions the Mc Broke&#8217;s bought with Dodger team money.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Calcaterra</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nixonotis:  Certainly the severity of the injuries doesn&#039;t change the legal standard. But to think that it wouldn&#039;t impact the jury&#039;s mindset is naive.  Ultimately, whether the Dodgers took reasonable steps to protect fans is a judgment call by the jury. That judgment could easily be swayed by the emotion of the case.  Ideally, juries don&#039;t do this. In practice, they often do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nixonotis:  Certainly the severity of the injuries doesn&#8217;t change the legal standard. But to think that it wouldn&#8217;t impact the jury&#8217;s mindset is naive.  Ultimately, whether the Dodgers took reasonable steps to protect fans is a judgment call by the jury. That judgment could easily be swayed by the emotion of the case.  Ideally, juries don&#8217;t do this. In practice, they often do.</p>
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		<title>By: nixonotis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nixonotis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The severity of the beating has no bearing on whether or not the Dodgers were aware that there was a threat of violence on their property.  There have been assaults there in the past and just because they weren&#039;t this severe doesn&#039;t make them any less of an indication that violence is a problem.  So the Dodgers might have been liable if Brian Stow had been punched in the face because attacks of that nature had occurred in the past, but because he&#039;s in a coma, and that hasn&#039;t happened before, they bear no responsibility?  Your logic is flawed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The severity of the beating has no bearing on whether or not the Dodgers were aware that there was a threat of violence on their property.  There have been assaults there in the past and just because they weren&#8217;t this severe doesn&#8217;t make them any less of an indication that violence is a problem.  So the Dodgers might have been liable if Brian Stow had been punched in the face because attacks of that nature had occurred in the past, but because he&#8217;s in a coma, and that hasn&#8217;t happened before, they bear no responsibility?  Your logic is flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: kyleortonsarm</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Idiots. Anyone who tries suits like this and loses should be locked up for being stupid enough to try. I hope they lose and get countersued so hard they&#039;re still in debt 3 generations from now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiots. Anyone who tries suits like this and loses should be locked up for being stupid enough to try. I hope they lose and get countersued so hard they&#8217;re still in debt 3 generations from now.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillies Homer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phillies Homer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 20:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The INS hasn&#039;t existed since 2003... soooo, yea, there&#039;s that.]]></description>
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		<title>By: florida727</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[florida727]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the caveat that I am not a California lawyer, generally speaking, the law is that a business owner owes a duty to patrons to take reasonable steps to secure the premises against foreseeable criminal acts of third parties.  The key word there is “foreseeable.”
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I&#039;m not in favor of even more useless litigation that ultimately only benefits the attorneys, but in this case, I&#039;d love to see the guy win.  He won&#039;t.  Craig, &quot;foreseeable&quot; is only one of the key words here.  The others are &quot;reasonable steps&quot;.  Were there police on duty at the stadium?  Yes.  Were there enough to prevent this?  Obviously not, but then again, in an opening day crowd of a packed stadium, you&#039;d have to have one positioned every 100 feet around the stadium as people are leaving.  Not practical.

Unfortunately for Stow, the Dodgers aren&#039;t guilty of anything here.  &quot;Foreseeable criminal acts&quot;?  How many times in the history of major league baseball has an opposing fan come within an inch of his life at the hands of an opposing team&#039;s fans?  Sorry.  Not that often.  This doesn&#039;t fall into the category of FORESEEABLE criminal acts.

I wish it did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the caveat that I am not a California lawyer, generally speaking, the law is that a business owner owes a duty to patrons to take reasonable steps to secure the premises against foreseeable criminal acts of third parties.  The key word there is “foreseeable.”<br />
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I&#8217;m not in favor of even more useless litigation that ultimately only benefits the attorneys, but in this case, I&#8217;d love to see the guy win.  He won&#8217;t.  Craig, &#8220;foreseeable&#8221; is only one of the key words here.  The others are &#8220;reasonable steps&#8221;.  Were there police on duty at the stadium?  Yes.  Were there enough to prevent this?  Obviously not, but then again, in an opening day crowd of a packed stadium, you&#8217;d have to have one positioned every 100 feet around the stadium as people are leaving.  Not practical.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for Stow, the Dodgers aren&#8217;t guilty of anything here.  &#8220;Foreseeable criminal acts&#8221;?  How many times in the history of major league baseball has an opposing fan come within an inch of his life at the hands of an opposing team&#8217;s fans?  Sorry.  Not that often.  This doesn&#8217;t fall into the category of FORESEEABLE criminal acts.</p>
<p>I wish it did.</p>
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		<title>By: bjavie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 20:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey cup0pizza, I would bet a dollar against an hour with your mother that you&#039;ve never even been to Philly.  Keep talking your smack on Philly fans, we understand that jealousy is an evil bitch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey cup0pizza, I would bet a dollar against an hour with your mother that you&#8217;ve never even been to Philly.  Keep talking your smack on Philly fans, we understand that jealousy is an evil bitch.</p>
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		<title>By: halladaysbicepts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 20:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what, your probably right. The only real secuity solution to the area around the stadium is probably a ten-fold increase in private security and LAPD. Then, just forward the bill for the increase of additional LAPD officers to the Dodgers and call it a day. 

Hopefully, this will be enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what, your probably right. The only real secuity solution to the area around the stadium is probably a ten-fold increase in private security and LAPD. Then, just forward the bill for the increase of additional LAPD officers to the Dodgers and call it a day. </p>
<p>Hopefully, this will be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Utley's Hair</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Utley's Hair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m impressed that you have been able to form an actual legitimate comment on here.  It took a while, but kudos to you!!!!!]]></description>
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