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Pete Rose wants to be able to enjoy the Hall of Fame while he’s alive

May 27, 2011, 1:05 PM EDT

Pete Rose AP

Pete Rose was on 97.5 in Philly yesterday and was asked if he suspects that he’ll be inducted into the Hall of Fame after he’s dead.  His response:

“Well I think that would probably to be honest with you piss a lot of people off if that’s the way it was. I mean it’s just reminds me of this year. Okay all of a sudden Detroit is a retiring Sparky’s [Anderson] number. Well Sparky died several months ago. He was retired for 18 or 19 years. Why don’t you do it while he is around, so he can enjoy it? Those are the kind of things that drive you crazy.”

He mentioned Ron Santo in this regard too. And as far as Anderson and Santo go, he has a great point.

Big difference here, though: everyone loved Sparky Anderson and Ron Santo while most people think Pete Rose is somewhere between an untrustworthy jackwagon and a flaming horse’s arse. So there’s that.

And before you all go crazy on me, allow me to reiterate: I think Pete Rose should be banned from working in baseball, but I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame. Partially because his playing career was extraordinary and the Hall of Fame should honor such accomplishments without reference to moral or ethical considerations and partially because inducting him now would pretty much any need for anyone to interview him about anything ever again.

  1. bobwsc - May 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM

    agreed – put him in. the Hall is a museum that recognizes the greatest players. some steroid cheats that were never caught will make it in (and others that gambled on the game probably slid in undetected as well). hell, some admitted steroid users will make it in. whatever he did as a manager shouldn’t take away from his body of work as a player.

  2. halladaysbicepts - May 27, 2011 at 1:16 PM

    I loved watching Pete Rose play the game of baseball. One of my favorite baseball players growing up.

    That being said, he bet on the game of baseball while he was a player/manager, and I suspect that he influenced games he was involved with to affect the outcome. He admitted it 20 years later after denying for so many years. He”s a scumbag and liar. No Hall of Fame per BBWAA instructions by the Hall of Fame themselves:

    5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

    Notice the (2) words, integrity and character. They are qualities that Pete did not demonstrate when he bet on baseball.

    The writers must abide by the voting instructions given to them by the Hall of Fame. They have no choice. If you want to blame any entity, don’t blame the writers. Blame the HOF.

    • spudchukar - May 27, 2011 at 1:25 PM

      With the collection of misfits, characters and rule breakers the Hall currently enshrines, it is obvious voters in the past did not adhere to the standards echoed by Bicepts.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM

        Who? Let me guess, your refering to Ty Cobb, right, ALLEGEDLY murdering someone. This came out years AFTER he was enshrined into the original HOF class. And it still has not been proven that this happened.

        Who else, any other examples?

        Why do you think Joe Jackson is not in? Because he was involved with the Black Sox scandal. Even if it could ever be proven that he did not receive any money to fix his play, even the perception of it surrounding him was enough to give him a lifetime ban.

        Gambling and baseball for players/managers is the biggest no-no in the game. Probably even more so, stigma wise, then PEDs.

      • rebarratige - May 27, 2011 at 1:51 PM

        Forget the allegations that Cobb was a murderer. How about that indisputable fact that he jumped into the stands at a game and beat a handicapped heckler into the hospital? Or what about the time he ran down a black groundskeeper for attempting to shake his (Cobb’s) hand? Please, please don’t try to defend Ty Cobb. Just accept that sometimes scumbags make it into the Hall, and it shouldn’t be the job of the Hall to judge anything other than the quality of a man’s career on the field.

      • rebarratige - May 27, 2011 at 1:53 PM

        Also, show us the evidence that Rose ever threw a game (much less a World Series, ala the Black Sox). The idea that he should be punished for betting that his own team would win is ludicrous.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 27, 2011 at 2:00 PM

        rebarratige,

        “and it shouldn’t be the job of the Hall to judge anything other than the quality of a man’s career on the field.”

        #1: The Baseball Hall of Fame is not the MLB Hall of Fame: They can set any criteria they like for membership. While they coorperate on MLB in certain circumstances, such as when MLB Bans a player – which ther abide by – they are not obligated to listen to them, or anyone for that matter.

        #2: Unlike the other (3) major sports, they have a morality clause in their election process. That’s just the way it is and I like it. If keeps most of the scumbags you have in the other major sport’s HOFs out of baseball’s HOF.

        The point is that Cooperstown keeps the vast majority of scumbags out with their morality clause.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM

        “Also, show us the evidence that Rose ever threw a game (much less a World Series, ala the Black Sox). The idea that he should be punished for betting that his own team would win is ludicrous.”

        You don’t need any evidence that he threw a game. He was found guilty of betting on baseball when he was a player/manager. Period. End of story.

        It’s the POSSIBILITY that he could of affected the outcome of games he was involved in with the Reds. The perception is enough to warrant a lifetime ban.

        Gambling is a major no-no in baseball. There are signs in every MLB clubhouse not to do it.

      • BaseballTown - May 27, 2011 at 2:14 PM

        Question for halladay.

        Where was Rose found guilty of betting on baseball?

      • halladaysbicepts - May 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM

        BaseballTown?

        Are you serious with that question? Where have you been for the last 20 years? Look it up.

      • rebarratige - May 27, 2011 at 4:25 PM

        “The Baseball Hall of Fame is not the MLB Hall of Fame: They can set any criteria they like for membership. While they coorperate on MLB in certain circumstances, such as when MLB Bans a player – which ther abide by – they are not obligated to listen to them, or anyone for that matter.”

        Yeah, this is the reason we’re having this argument. It is not, itself an argument.

        “#2: Unlike the other (3) major sports, they have a morality clause in their election process. That’s just the way it is and I like it. If keeps most of the scumbags you have in the other major sport’s HOFs out of baseball’s HOF.”

        Here we encounter the difference between “should” and “does.” Judging from your sacred-cow approach to virtually every baseball tradition short of segregation, and your status-quo-as-its-own justification approach to reform proposals, I’m guessing you have difficulty with this distiction.

    • jejozi - Jan 9, 2012 at 7:35 PM

      And Babe Ruth was a serial adulterer who all but abandoned his family and was a raging alcoholic. Ty Cobb is in, and anyone who knows anything about that period of baseball knows he had not one ounce of integrity or sportsmanship. Those requirements are there for show. Sort of like a corporation’s mission statement.

  3. Old Gator - May 27, 2011 at 1:18 PM

    How about a compromise? Stuff and mount him in a plexiglass case in the rotunda of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, holding a club and dressed like a mammoth hunter – although, to be fair, he never did play designatedhitterball.

  4. yankeesfanlen - May 27, 2011 at 1:20 PM

    I can see Charlie Hustle enjoying it now, standing outside making book on whether the Hall would open on time.

    • halladaysbicepts - May 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM

      Pete Rose would use his own mother as collateral on a bet.

  5. Innocent Bystander - May 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    Sports are great because there is not a pre-determined outcome. Pete Rose is the biggest baseball scumbag of all time because he threatened “pre-determined”. Without it we might as well be watching WWE. His banishment serves as a way to dissuade others from threatening the game.

    • kingkillerstudios - May 27, 2011 at 1:53 PM

      1. Pete Rose is not even close to the biggest baseball scumbag of all time. That would be Hal Chase.

      2. Please stop citing the integrity and character clause, everyone. Seriously: stop. Virulent racism (Cobb). Accusations of throwing games (Cobb, Speaker, a veritable laundry list of McGraw-era Giants). Whoring (Ruth). Peeing in the shower (Hornsby) (seriously; his players had to go to the owner to get him to quit it with that, op. cit. Bill James). Rose is not in the Hall because he’s banned and can’t be voted for; THAT’S because he gambled, not because he’s a douche generally (which he is). He broke a specific rule pertaining TO GAMBLING. The integrity citation is not just a relic that probably shouldn’t affect voting; it’s actually not even relevant here.

      3. I would like to see Rose in the Hall, and I think the pearl-clutching about how he’s a blight on the moral character of the bleh bleh whatever is sophomoric and hypocritical — but if he never gets in, it’s not like they’ll take the record away from him. He’s still the Hit King, like it or not, like HIM or not, like how he accomplished it or not (I kind of don’t). And that record means that, in a way, he is in the Hall and will be for a very long time. So if you don’t want him in the HoF because you think that erases him from the game’s history, it doesn’t, and just get over it already.

      4. I am a blowhard, probably. Have a great day.

      • halladaysbicepts - May 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM

        “2. Please stop citing the integrity and character clause, everyone. Seriously: stop.”

        It’s not my words, it’s per the Baseball Hall of Fame guidelines. Don’t blame me. Write a letter to them expressing your disagreement with them.

      • chrisdtx - May 27, 2011 at 3:22 PM

        Haha peeing in the shower. There goes George Costanza’s chances at enshrinment.

  6. henryd3rd - May 27, 2011 at 1:41 PM

    Pete’s like a bad case of a STD. For those of you who don’t understand the abbreviation that is sexually transmitted disease. He keeps coming back every year and making a lot of people miserable. No cure in sight?

  7. henryd3rd - May 27, 2011 at 1:44 PM

    And would someone please tell Pete that grey hair on a 71 year “old” man is acceptable? That has got to be he worst dye job I’ve ever seen.

    • nixonotis - May 27, 2011 at 1:55 PM

      Pete would give you the same look he’s giving in that picture.

  8. heynerdlinger - May 27, 2011 at 1:55 PM

    Craig, you can’t be serious about this. You think that putting Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame would somehow eliminate his appearance in the news? The only thing that would change would be the words “Hall of Famer” in front of his name in every article, interview, banner, pronouncement, decree, and flyer postcard for the next baseball card show.

  9. Jonny 5 - May 27, 2011 at 1:57 PM

    Why does the HOF have to adhere to the MLB banning players rule? It’s ridiculous. It’s not as if putting them into the HOF automatically lifts the ban or something.

  10. cup0pizza - May 27, 2011 at 2:01 PM

    No, Pete. You don’t get in.

  11. aronmantoo - May 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM

    Bottom line: Pete the man doesn’t belong in the hall of fame, But Rose the player certainly does. He didn’t cheat the game as the “Juice boys” who will make the HOF did, The whole thing is a hippocrasy

  12. Chris Fiorentino - May 27, 2011 at 2:10 PM

    I don’t know why so many people get their backs up on this baseball hall of fame with pete rose issue. If he is never put in, he will forever be the “scumbag piece of sh*t all-time hits leader who gambled on baseball and was never allowed in the hall of fame”. If he is someday allowed in, he will be the “scumbag piece of sh*t all-time hits leader who gambled on baseball and was eventually allowed in the hall of fame”. Not much of a difference there as far as most people are concerned.

  13. purdueman - May 27, 2011 at 2:21 PM

    Of course Petey wants to be inducted into the baseball hall of fame while he’s still alive… he’s no doubt got TRUCKLOADS of “one of a kind” memorabilia that will be signed and dated: “Pete Rose, HOF”, all ready to go for him to go back on QVC to hawk at grossly inflated prices to unsuspecting housewives all over America!

    Because Rose is such a con-man, I believe that Rose should be inducted into the baseball hall of fame, but only posthumously.

  14. goforthanddie - May 27, 2011 at 2:30 PM

    If I wanted my son to be a pro baseball player, I’d make him watch Pete Rose footage.
    So what if he’s a jackhole, there are much worse people in the Hall. Pete played hard and clean. Let him in.

  15. redsfanmaryd - May 27, 2011 at 3:27 PM

    I’m old enough to have gotten a Pete Rose autograph before he started charging for them !! Pete should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame and he should absolutely not ever manage a baseball team again. Mike Schmidt supported him when he asked for reinstatement and while I’m no Phillies fan, I respect his opinion. If he should never get in however, it was his own doing that got him where he is today and he’ll just have to live with it. A bigger tragedy, in my opinion, was not electing Buck Neil while he was alive to enjoy it. What a player and what an ambassador for all that’s good about baseball, and the voters couldn’t see their way clear to electing him.

    • jejozi - Jan 9, 2012 at 7:20 PM

      I think you mean Buck O’Neil. While I enjoyed him on Ken Burns Baseball mini series, he wasn’t that great of a player. He never played in more than 58 games in a season, around 400 for his 12 year career, over which he hit .288, 10 HRs and 136 RBI. Not exactly HOF stats.

  16. hep3 - May 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    “…most people think Pete Rose is somewhere between an untrustworthy jackwagon and a flaming horse’s arse.”

    I vote for both and everything in between.

  17. jwbiii - May 27, 2011 at 4:17 PM

    $12 admission for senior citizens.

  18. ezwriter69 - May 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

    Pete, you need to just leave it alone. Your place in history is more than secure, and a plaque awarded by a bunch of old pharts in ugly blazers nearly all of whom never played the game really doesn’t mean squat. Let the hypocrites who judge you embarrass themselves, everyone will remember you as among the very best who ever played whatever they do, and frankly, you get more notoriety this way… baseball fans will not forget you, ever, and they already have forgotten Bowie Kuhn and Faye Vincent years ago.
    Let it go, man, just let it go.

  19. Tim OShenko - May 27, 2011 at 4:59 PM

    “Pete Rose wants to be able to enjoy the Hall of Fame while he’s alive.”

    I say sure, let him buy a ticket and stroll around the place. I won’t make a stink about it.

    • iftheshoefits2 - May 27, 2011 at 10:48 PM

      And I’d like to enjoy Mila Kunis while I’m still alive, but its about the same odds.

      Sorry, Gleeman.

  20. dogsweat1 - May 27, 2011 at 9:33 PM

    Who is Pete Rose?

    • purdueman - May 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

      Isn’t he Derrick Roses’ step Daddy?

  21. mgflolox - May 28, 2011 at 2:19 AM

    Didja ever notice that not being in the HOF has made Joe Jackson even more famous than other players of his ere who not only are in the Hall, but also were clearly better players than he was. When’s the last time somebody made a post referring to Tris Speaker or Eddie Collins to name 2 prime examples. Pete’s banishment is keeping him in the news and making him more famous than being in the Hall ever will.

  22. jbm1529 - May 31, 2011 at 8:30 AM

    The argument that Pete Rose “only” bet on his team to win and therefore never compromised the integrity of the game is silly. Let’s say Pete bet on the Reds the last three games and they lost….now he’s in the hole 100k. Tonight’s game he’s betting 100k to get even. His best position player is injured and needs the day off…..do you think Pete is letting him ride the pine? He needs a win. His closer and 8th inning guy has worked the last few days and need a day off, do you think Pete is giving his best relievers the day off they need? ummm no, he needs to win the game. The starting pitcher is at 122 pitches and should be pulled after 6 innings, but he comes out for the 7th bc he gives them the best chance to get thru this inning. Even if Pete doesn’t realize it, he would manage differently, bc he needs to win.

    • jejozi - Jan 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

      The Reds have lost three in a row and their setup guy and closer need rest? He’s in worse shape than just being down $100,000. lol

      But I get where you’re coming from and agree.

  23. jejozi - Jan 9, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    What part of LIFETIME suspension don’t you understand, Pete? You agreed to it, now ya gotta….live…..with your decisions. You’ll get in, not just in your lifetime.

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